Didn't somebody say a cougar couldn't take a dog?

Basic, I am looking at different breeds for my first dog, and have heard german shephards make great family dogs. But remember, getting it trained right is about as important as the breed.
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Anyone else notice how easily she is holding that monster? Strong lady, I want you to protect me from the cougar.
 
My wife wants a GSD but good ones are few and far between.Theres a lot of health issues due to poor breeding.I understand there are some good dogs from Europe,Germany,Holland,Check(sp)Republic.The European bread dogs I think are a bit different than US dogs in how they look,there also very expensive.
 
My Rotty can't take a cougar, and he's 120 lbs. of pretty-much solid muscle.
My Rotty won't even take on a coyote or a fox. Because I'm going to be popping it with my .45.
 
If the question is whether a large Mt. Lion will bother YOU if you have a dog along, well, a small dog might look enough like lunch to risk attack in your presence. If you are hiking with a large dog, 130lbs or more, almost any cougar is going to leave you and you dog alone. Cougars don't worry me. They will eventually try to get away from what ever is bothering them. They know you are around long before you know they are there.

I believe that video clip, [with the cougar and bear], was from an old Marty Stouffer Wild America show, so I don't put any credence in that. I knew the guy who edited Marty's films way back when, and much of Marty's stuff was staged. My friend used to laugh about all the 'nature' scenes that o'l Marty had rigged.

Can a large cougar take any dog alive? Probably. It's not a fair fight. You probably will escape with your life though because a cougar will concern itself with your dog first and then usually leave.

Bears on the other hand are able to take any dog or cat alive. And they'll go after you when their done with your dog.

Even a medium black bear can take most North American animals. A grizzly or brown can take any animal on the continent.

Back in the wild west, sadistic traveling shows would feature fights between bulls, bears, and African lions. Sometimes the bulls would kill the lions, sometimes the lions would kill the bulls. The Bears ALWAYS killed the lion or bull.

We have a joke up here in Alaska. Be sure you can run faster than your dog, because after he has gone after the bear, gotten his *ss kicked, and is running back to you for protection, the bear isn't going to like YOU either.

Dogs are more of a liability than an asset in the wild. The exception would be a well trained Karelian bear dog. {google it} We have a Fish and Game guy up here that uses one{!} Karelian to deal wih troubled bears. This is the well trained exception to the rule however. And the dog doesn't fight the bear, it just hassles him until the bear decides to leave. These dogs are pretty fast and agile!

The other animal that can take any dog alive is a bull moose. Big bulls are the only animal that may be on par with a big grizzly. In fact, they really don't mess with each other because of the risk of injury to both parties.

By the way, the Romans used to have a breed of dogs called Mollosus, {google it}. We get our mastiff breeds from this ancient line. Some of these dogs weighed 300 to 400 pounds! These dogs were bred to fight and kill slaves and lions in the arena, as well as being used in warfare. So, there used to be a dog that could take a mountain lion, they just don't exist anymore. {Until someone clones one}:)
 
rockspyder said:
My Rotty can't take a cougar, and he's 120 lbs. of pretty-much solid muscle.
My Rotty won't even take on a coyote or a fox. Because I'm going to be popping it with my .45.
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Your rotty wasant trained or socialized for those things then. Somebody has been cuddling with it.
 
BASIC said:
My wife wants a GSD but good ones are few and far between.Theres a lot of health issues due to poor breeding.I understand there are some good dogs from Europe,Germany,Holland,Check(sp)Republic.The European bread dogs I think are a bit different than US dogs in how they look,there also very expensive.
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I just bought a GS puppy who is now 8 months old. Papers, and vet certification of its bloodline.

She has developed a chronic hemofacial spasam making her face saggy and crooked, and has developed some skin problems.
 
Liam Ryan said:
Basic, I am looking at different breeds for my first dog, and have heard german shephards make great family dogs. But remember, getting it trained right is about as important as the breed.
Also,
aadba.jpg

Anyone else notice how easily she is holding that monster? Strong lady, I want you to protect me from the cougar.
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Can any one say photoshop.
If and I say if a couger or a mountain lion sticks around long enough for A dog not a pack of dogs to get a hold of it that dog and I don't care what kind of dog, does not stand a chance, end of story.
 
Turner said:
Can any one say photoshop.
If and I say if a couger or a mountain lion sticks around long enough for A dog not a pack of dogs to get a hold of it that dog and I don't care what kind of dog, does not stand a chance, end of story.
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Looks like my ex gf on a typical day.

The one on the leash.:eek:

Skam
 
Just throwing this out there to all the knowledgeable dog fans on this thread: I've been thinking about getting a dog recently, but it has to be one that can log lots of miles on trails. We typically hike between 18-23 miles a day, and need a dog that has the stamina to keep up with us. It also has to be good with kids (we have a 2 year old), and not mind other dogs or cats in the household. Any input would be appreciated. Sorry to hijack the thread, but it seemed headed in that direction anyway...
 
skammer said:
Is it special cougar or fox training you do with your Rott? Explain.

Skam
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No, but how a puppy is socialized in the first year of its life makes the adult dog.
What I am saying is, if we are talking about a defensive situation with the dog protecting its human counterpart, then it is possible to train a dog to protect with no fear.

no disrespect intended. Soft dogs, like goldens raised in a family setting with children for example, would be expected to turn tail and run.
 
raindog101 said:
Just throwing this out there to all the knowledgeable dog fans on this thread: I've been thinking about getting a dog recently, but it has to be one that can log lots of miles on trails. We typically hike between 18-23 miles a day, and need a dog that has the stamina to keep up with us. It also has to be good with kids (we have a 2 year old), and not mind other dogs or cats in the household. Any input would be appreciated. Sorry to hijack the thread, but it seemed headed in that direction anyway...
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Perhaps a Beagle. I love my beagle, she's the best dog I've ever had and she's also my first dog, she's still kicking and in great shape. She'll be 10 pretty soon, I got her when I was in 6th or 7th grade. She's a great dog and she loves fighting with possums that sneak into the backyard. Very faithful breed of dogs and always friendly. If you look at a pure blood beagle, they always have that look like they are smiling. Great family dog and she leaves my cats alone too. Beagles are small enough to take on a road trip without taking up too much space, but they are a good enough size to take rabbit and bird hunting. Hope this helps, J.
 
skammer said:
Incorrect a sub alpha male with the attack instinct tapped will protect the heirarchy no matter what the threat or circumstance, if the alpha dog sends body language its a done deal. The difference is will your dog understand when its appropriate as non threatening triggers will trigger. Domestication has merely subdued the instinct. No different than humans, when the right buttons are pushed we are all capable of nasty business.


Skam
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Sorry skam, I didnt read the whole thread as I should have. You pretty much summed up what I am trying to say here.
 
raindog101 said:
Just throwing this out there to all the knowledgeable dog fans on this thread: I've been thinking about getting a dog recently, but it has to be one that can log lots of miles on trails. We typically hike between 18-23 miles a day, and need a dog that has the stamina to keep up with us. It also has to be good with kids (we have a 2 year old), and not mind other dogs or cats in the household. Any input would be appreciated. Sorry to hijack the thread, but it seemed headed in that direction anyway...
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23 miles a day is amazing for civilians congrats.

There are many breeds that can do this easily. You have to chose what size temperment, shed volume, activity level etc...

Some guidlines and we can help.

Skam
 
Firstly, thanks for the compliment, Skam. 23 miles isn't so bad, you just have to get used to it. Going light doesn't hurt. Anyway, let's see...
Size: anywhere from 60 to 120 lbs (bigger would be better for defense vs intruders)
Temperament: good with kids (i.e fairly mellow), not too stubborn, willing to defend home turf... I guess kinda middle of the road. Won't be a working dog, just a pet.
Shed volume: medium to low
Activity level: medium (we have 5 acres for it to run around on).
I was originally considering either an Anatolian shepherd, or a Burmese mountain dog (friends have each, and they seem like good dogs, and big), but I don't know if I'm skilled or dedicated enough to train an Anatolian (only ever had mutts, with no training, as dogs), or could tolerate the hair of a Burmese. I guess I'm kinda leaning toward lab, I just don't know if labs can do 20+ miles a day on a trail.
 
Wow! this thread is still being argued?

Hey what I want to know is if a Chupacabra can take a Big Foot? now there's a fight!
 
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