Do you bring your knife to Church?

All the time. I am a Catholic myself and seriously I don't see any moral/spiritual contradiction for me by bringing a knife into a church. Security issue is another matter, which depends on all other locations and not only about churches only anymore.

If u wanna get deeper into the issue, I think that what really matters to be a good person is in our heart, not what we are having in our pockets.
 
I'm digging this thread. It brings up some interesting questions and interesting perspectives.

Some people who have replied have expressed a personal opinion that bringing a knife and/or gun into a sanctuary of worship is offensive to God and possibly others. I was kind-of raised to think this, but my views have since changed.

Other people have the personal opinion that knives and/or guns are a part of everyday life and, as such, belong in a sanctuary, as well as basically everywhere else.

Here is my personal take on the issue: I can understand how some find a knife/gun offensive, but I do not personally hold that view. I am a Christian by faith in Jesus (Yeshua). In the New Testament, Paul did write that if a particular activity is offensive to people, don't do it. However, he was referring to eating meat sacrificed to idols, something that the Hebrews had been forbidden to do. I cannot recall anything in the Bible, Old or New Testaments/Covenants, that forbids bringing a knife into a building of worship.
Jesus said (somewhat loosely quoted), "It's not what goes into a man's mouth that makes him 'unclean', it's what comes out of his heart. For food goes into the stomach and then out, but out of the heart comes all sorts of evil."

I know that Jesus said to turn the other cheek, but I think people have really taken that the wrong way. I am not of the opinion that Jesus was advocating being a doormat. I am also firmly convinced that defending innocent people from harm is pleasing to God. If anyone wants, I imagine I could find verses pertaining to this.
 
I can see what you are saying, Paul in 1 Corinthians 8 is speaking about eating meat that has been offered to idols:

1Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies. 2And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. 3But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.
4Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

7However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 8But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse.

9But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak. 10For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol's temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols? 11And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 12But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble. (1 Corinthians 8:1-13)


Paul is specifically saying that if a weaker brother sees you eating meat that has been offered to an idol and then eats it, being conscious that it is an idol, defiles themself becuase of his personal belief. So if you do this and you know it, you in "essence" cause your brother to sin. Even though you yourself know its a worthless idol, not to be feared, your brother sees you doing it and repeats it and defiles his own consciense becuase he believes it to be something (to be feared).

Paul, is basically saying not to do anything (in this case eat meat), that you know would cause a brother to stumble. If you do not know that it can hurt your brother, then you do not know. However if you do know that you could cause your brother to sin, then you should not do it.

Can you apply this to carrying a pocket knife? I think that's a bit of a stretch here. No where has it ever been a sin to carry a pocket knife. I have three verisons of the Hebrew Old Test. (Biblia Hebraica Leningradensia, Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia, green's masoretic text) and two verisons of the Greek New Test. (in original koine greek and the textus receptus in koine by Erasmus) and no where have I seen any such thing.


On a different note, when I lived in arkansas, even some of the woman carried knives :D

In church it was common place that the majority hunted, fished, etc. etc. etc.

Being an evangelist/outreach minister I have always carried a pocket knife. We would do different projects all over the area of Columbus and we would set up different projects, such as tents needed for outreach. I would often use my knife to make repairs, cut rope, tape, etc. Many of the people, especially the youth that I encouraged to get involved in outreach, would really be surprised (here in Ohio) to see me carrying a pcoket knife. After many got to know me and see me use it in different projects they began to understand that it was a tool, not a weapon (like many they watch too much TV and movies). In fact before the Lord moved me on from that church to other things, many in the church, men and boys, began to collect and carry pocket knives. One even began to learn to make knives. After he saw my knife work, he wanted to learn.

We have to remember knives are tools. Some are made as weapons, many are not though. Even military knives such as the F/U's we carried in desert Shield/Storm, were (almost) never used as weapons, but as tools. Knives are not evil, just as most any inatimate object. Do I still think guns should not be carried in church....yes...for those of us that disagree on this, we will just have o disagree. Personally any service that I am speaking at, or presiding over, the gun stays at home, but pocket knives are fine :)

A pocket knife, like anything else can be used for evil, but so can a screwdriver, or a kitchen chair (if you use it as a club, and in that case it wont matter what you use).


As far as a dormat? Well Im not advocating being a dormat, but I am advocating trying to avoid any kind of violent conflict.
 
Just one?

Of course! I can't count how many times others have borrowed one for various things. I don't carry large ones to church, but then again I need excuses to buy gents knives.
 
"No where has it ever been a sin to carry a pocket knife."

Yep, exactly. Knives are useful and, sometimes, a lifesaving device. Eating meat sacrificed to idols was specifically commanded against, and that's why Paul singles that out.

"We have to remember knives are tools. Some are made as weapons, many are not though."

True. Although, even a weapon is not inherently evil. In fact, the act of killing is not inherently evil. I personally believe that even guns are ok in church. In some instances (Israel is an excellent example), I think that guns in a sanctuary are necessary for the peaceful assembling and safety of the congregants.

"As far as a dormat? Well Im not advocating being a dormat, but I am advocating trying to avoid any kind of violent conflict"

I agree. However, there are times when physical conflict is necessary. At such times (defending oneself or other innocent parties from undue violence) though, fighting is a righteous course of action.
 
While the Jerusalem council in Acts chp 15 commanded against it, it waas basically for consciense sake:

28For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[f] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. (Acts 15:28-29)

In this case Paul was addressing not causing your borther to stumble in this case. An Idol is "useless", "man-made" and Paul knew it.

In 1 Corinthians 10 he addresses purchasing meat in the market place and dining at an unbelievers home:

23All things are lawful for me,[c] but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me,[d] but not all things edify. 24Let no one seek his own, but each one the other's well-being.
25Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience' sake; 26for "the earth is the LORD's, and all its fullness."[e]
27If any of those who do not believe invites you to dinner, and you desire to go, eat whatever is set before you, asking no question for conscience' sake. 28But if anyone says to you, "This was offered to idols," do not eat it for the sake of the one who told you, and for conscience' sake;[f] for "the earth is the LORD's, and all its fullness."[g] 29"Conscience," I say, not your own, but that of the other. For why is my liberty judged by another man's conscience? 30But if I partake with thanks, why am I evil spoken of for the food over which I give thanks?

31Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. 32Give no offense, either to the Jews or to the Greeks or to the church of God, 33just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

Should we avoid it, yes, but it is more for the consciense sake.


As far as the guns? We'll just have to disaggree. If you came to a service I was presiding over, the gun would not be there.

As far as killing, I understand what you are saying, Im speaking more of "offensive" actions.

On a completely different, personal note, Ive seen what war does, it was 14 years ago, I remember it like it was yesterday. I feel awful for the guys in Iraq there now. Most of them were barely out of diapers when I was in Desert Shield/Storm.
 
In the Army, while deployed or just during training, we bring knives and our issued weapons to celebrate mass. I like seeing dirty soldiers with weapons in church. Heck sometimes we would just take a knee wherever we are in order to say a few words of thanks, praise, or prayers for safety. God doesn't care if you are packing or not, He cares more about your relationship with Him and your realtionships and interactions with our fellow man. In or out of uniform I have carried to Church without a problem and see no problem with it. I can only see this as an issue/ problem in the more liberal-minded parts of the country. Just my .02
 
Barker, I think your situation is quite a bit different.

The Lord does care about the heart though. A prime example would be when Samuel was directed by God to go seek the new king of Israel (David) in 1 Samuel 16:7.

Carrying gun here though? No, I really cannot see that as being appropriate. I honestly cannot see any good reason to carry a gun in church here in the states.

Liberal-minded? Far from it.
 
I don't go to church, but if I did, I would carry my normal EDC set of Benchmades, along with my Glock 10mm...You never know just when or where a Demon will pop up.:D.
 
One of my first questions to the pastorial staff at my church was to ask about guns and knives- they have no problem with them. The bible has no problem with it. I have and will carry my knives regulary. Usually at least a sebenza- usually a "calvary one" . I did have a group leader say something about my knife one time and I did tell her that it is legal for me to carry it and she had no ability to restrict me and if she really had a problem with it she would need to fill my position for I would not be participating without my knives.And it would take the main pastor to act on that. I carry in almost all roles at the church other than the prison ministry stuff I do. The only time I don't carry that I could is sometimes at a halfway house I choose not to once in a while. As far as officers going in "full uniform" thats a non issue other than the fact that in ohio they are supposidly superior (bull phooey) and can carry even if posted as no firearms allowed whereas I can't as a legally liscenced individual but of course those superiors in LE feel differently that of course they are special.... :barf:
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Tim Wegner had a handful of mouses (mice?) made with the jesus "fish" logo. That seems church appropriate.
 
I go to a VERY large church & have volunteered to assist in weekly teen services, in the kitchen, where I make 30 to 90 pizzas each week. The church has a 2 1/2 foot pizza cutter that is a big *ss knife with a second handle bolted near the pointy end for leverage when cutting the pies. I could use it to clear a path in a jungle.

Also all the building maintance workers carry multitools & even present them to exceptional volunteers.

A few years ago I remember the senior pastor telling a story (during a service with at least 3000 people attending) about a reformed gang-banger who complained to him that our seats were uncomfortable, because it made his gun dig into his side. The minister laughed & said something about you never knowing who might be carrying "heat" to church.


My kind of church.
 
glockman99 said:
I don't go to church, but if I did, I would carry my normal EDC set of Benchmades, along with my Glock 10mm...You never know just when or where a Demon will pop up.:D.


LOL! Glockman, I'm sitting in YOUR pew!

Seriously, I don't have a problem with knives (or guns) in church. For me, like others, it's an excuse to buy a gentleman's folder. Not because I think you have to or should, just because I think it looks classy.
 
I kind of changed Teddy Roosevelt's quote.

I think that it all depends on what kind of a knife you happen to have. If I'm carrying a large tactical folder, or my handgun, I won't bring them into a House of GOD.

On the other hand, if I had a small pocket knife, I wouldn't think twice about carrying it into a church. I guess it all boils down to a matter of opinion.

I doubt that these aformentioned Boy Scouts are toting anything more than a small pocket knife. I don't see anything wrong with the scouts having a small pocket knife in church.






("Who Knows What Evil Lies In The Hearts Of Men") The Dark Man
 
The thing that would scare me about a knife in church is if the church was also a school. With the laws concerning "Weapons" on school property, it might have the possibility of getting you into some trouble being in the same area.

Back in the day, there was a high-ranking church official at the largest church in town, and they actually had armed guards for him. Guys with rifles at the door, provided by the church. .
 
ive carryed a 12 inch kabar when i used to go to church but i got excumunicated so theres no sweat off my balls any more.
 
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