does this one come grinded down like the last one you sold me

The simple fact of the matter is, the buyer wasn't satisfied and requested a refund in a timely manner. The seller should have done the right thing and simply refunded him and moved on. Based on the emails, he wasn't willing to do that. He instead basically told the buyer, "not my problem, send it to the manufacturer". I would be highly irritated if this happened to me. Who in their right mind buys a "mint" knife, just to send it to the spa?

The way I see it, even if the buyer was aware of the uneven grind. He should still be entitled to a refund, after determining the severity in person. Pictures may say a thousand words, but nothing is as clear as in person.
 
The simple fact of the matter is, the buyer wasn't satisfied and requested a refund in a timely manner. The seller should have done the right thing and simply refunded him and moved on. Based on the emails, he wasn't willing to do that. He instead basically told the buyer, "not my problem, send it to the manufacturer". I would be highly irritated if this happened to me. Who in their right mind buys a "mint" knife, just to send it to the spa?
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The seller was not satisfied after the buyer ruined his chances to sell it to other buyers that were interested when he went and flamed me on the busse forum after the 3rd email.

Also if this is indeed a factory defect. Knife hunter a dealer on this forum who sold me the knife for $125 more than I sold it to boris for, should be held even more accountable than me.
 
Parasitic Psycho said:
The simple fact of the matter is, the buyer wasn't satisfied and requested a refund in a timely manner. The seller should have done the right thing and simply refunded him and moved on. Based on the emails, he wasn't willing to do that. He instead basically told the buyer, "not my problem, send it to the manufacturer". I would be highly irritated if this happened to me. Who in their right mind buys a "mint" knife, just to send it to the spa?


The way I see it, even if the buyer was aware of the uneven grind. He should still be entitled to a refund,
after determining the
severity in person. Pictures may say a thousand
words, but nothing is as
clear as in person.
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++1 , I agree. No matter what bottom line is boris wanted to reverse it and was basically told NO.

blademaster: just an fyi , it doesn't matter how much YOU paid for the knife that has no bearing on the current issue. Guess what if we buy knives from dealers at their prices which I do, we can not ever hope to sell them for the same price in a timely fashion, trust me.


I agree that cr33 went off the handle but everybody is new at some point and had to learn how to go about things correctly, this pretty much covers everyone in this sale.






++1
 
blademaster: just an fyi , it doesn't matter how much YOU paid for the knife that has no bearing on the current issue. Guess what if we buy knives from dealers at their prices which I do, we can not ever hope to sell them for the same price in a timely fashion, trust me.
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So you are saying knife hunter the dealer can sell the knife to me in the exact way (only difference is the $775 price I payed compared to $630) I sold it to Boris but it's cool because he is a dealer?

I was trying to keep him out of this because I'm not a hot head who likes to ruin reputations over chump change but it has gotten to that point where I am just fed up.
 
TheBladeMaster said:
Also if this is indeed a factory defect. Knife hunter a dealer on this forum who sold me the knife for $125 more than I sold it to boris for, should be held even more accountable than me.
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That would've been between you and him and my response would have been the same. The big difference is, you were content with the knife or failed to inspect it. So bringing up his discrepancy now is pointless.
 
TheBladeMaster said:
So you are saying knife hunter the dealer can sell the knife to me in the exact way (only difference is the $775 price I payed compared to $630) I sold it to Boris but it's cool because he is a dealer?

I was trying to keep him out of this because I'm not a hot head who likes to ruin reputations over chump change but it has gotten to that point where I am just fed up.
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unfortunately dealers can afford to hold onto knives for longer periods of time thus some high prices sometimes. But don't get me wrong, if you received that knife from T and was immeadetly not happy with it and wanted to reverse the deal and HE said no I would still side with the buyer in that case YOU. I understand your frustration but after two months the seller cant really assume responsibilty. Just for the record I would not hesitate to do business with you in the future,that goes for boris and yes even cr33. The lesson I hope everyone takes away is be prepared, take pics with date before shipping and inspect the hell .out of all yourr new pieces bought from a dealer or individual. Me personally am not that picky especially if I really really want that knife but some people are and we have to respect that as we are a COMMUNITY. I'm a lil disappointed some of the older guys jumped down the new guys throat, I've seen some of you guys bitching and moaning too so lets give some people the space , patience,and calm and constructive respones that people have given you, cause I'm sure noones ever made a mistake before right??
 
Parasitic Psycho said:
failed to inspect it.
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I will now be going over every knife I buy with a fine tooth comb.

It would actually be a relief to me if the knife was found to be a factory error because if not there is definitely foul play involved.

concreteadaptation said:
unfortunately dealers can afford to hold onto knives for longer periods of time thus some high prices sometimes. But don't get me wrong, if you received that knife from T and was immeadetly not happy with it and wanted to reverse the deal and HE said no I would still side with the buyer in that case YOU. I understand your frustration but after two months the seller cant really assume responsibilty. Just for the record I would not hesitate to do business with you in the future,that goes for boris and yes even cr33. The lesson I hope everyone takes away is be prepared, take pics with date before shipping and inspect the hell .out of all yourr new pieces bought from a dealer or individual. Me personally am not that picky especially if I really really want that knife but some people are and we have to respect that as we are a COMMUNITY. I'm a lil disappointed some of the older guys jumped down the new guys throat, I've seen some of you guys bitching and moaning too so lets give some people the space , patience,and calm and constructive respones that people have given you, cause I'm sure noones ever made a mistake before right??
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As you said before you have gone through situations like this and I think that you can identify with both of the parties involved. Thank you for all your input.
 
The OP deserves satisfaction and a refund.

TheBladeMaster screwed up.

What the knife cost and the amount TheBladeMaster lost is irrelevant to the subject at hand.


Do the right thing and refund the OP's money.
 
I can't believe everyone is instantly so biased toward the buyer. For one Boris being so new and causing a Rucus is more than enough to make me suspicious.
 
They are both relatively new...I love scraps in GBE between people who have only been on here a few months.
 
TheBladeMaster said:
The seller was not satisfied after the buyer ruined his chances to sell it to other buyers that were interested when he went and flamed me on the busse forum after the 3rd email.

Also if this is indeed a factory defect. Knife hunter a dealer on this forum who sold me the knife for $125 more than I sold it to boris for, should be held even more accountable than me.
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Ok, Ive heard enough. Blademaster, IMO is off his rocker. The knife in question that he bought from me was an ebay transaction from January 12th of this year.THis is a direct quote of the feedback he left me....Great seller. Beyond my expectations! Member id theblademaster ( Feedback Score Of 8 ) Jan-12-11 19:11
Busse Combat Knife custom SFNO (#150539990416) US $760.00


THe auction ended on January 6th even though feedback wasnt left until the 12th. He then sent me this in a message from ebay on Jan 12. "Dear hunter1!,

Left you a nice feedback awesome knife dude thanks very much.


- theblademaster"

THen three months later He sent me this after talking with Liu Kang.:thumbdn: Liu gave him the usuall low ball treatment and told him how it wasnt worth it and wouldnt give him near that to trade it in on another knife.

From Blademaster dated 3/12

I have a bit of a delimma. I bought a sfno from you on ebay a little while ago. Green g10/ Walnut. I decided I wanted a bigger busse and it came time to try and sell the sfno. I believe I over payed for it. I payed you $775 for the knife and only did so because you said that you purchased it from blade 2008 for $797 not even including tax. I spoke with many people from busse and other busse dealers and they have told me that knife would probably sell at blade for around $600. Here is my delimma. I would hate to take a $200 loss on the knife a month after buying it. Is there any way you can right this? Maybe trade it back for a bigger knife that you may have? I inquired about a ruck or killa zilla already. Let me know. If I don't hear from you I'll assume that your not trying to stay reputable with me. If you opt not to do anything please still let me know.

end

Here he is off on so many things I dont have time to point em all out but obviously he lost track of time since he thinks its only been a month when it had been a little over 3 months.

My reply on March 14th

I already heard from another you spoke to LK which would not surprise me that he is again trying to stir up trouble for me. If you would like to call me you can reach me.

I sold you the sfno at auction on ebay. I listed the auction at 697 and listed the price from the sticker and recepit from Busse. THe total with GA state tax etc was as I stated in listing for a total of 845 not including cost of show, hotels, gas, food etc. The sfno might cost less now if busse made it but only due to subsequent releases they made. Remember 2008 was first year of custom blowout and when sfno's where at their highest. I sold the other one to one of the other bidders as well. Not sure what more you would want or expect of me.

I sold it to you for $760 not $775 that you stated below to you on a knife that would have cost you $845 if you had attended the show yourself. Plus I had the cost of shipping and the deduction of the paypal fees too. You left me wonderful feedback. I am a little puzzled.

Please call me 571 261 5346

Trevor


Your reply on March 14th
At the time I thought I got a great deal. I had only herd about busse a little less than a month before I bought that from you.


I have had people tell me that they bought mammoth tooth sfno's for cheaper than I payed for this and that made me feel like I got taken.


If you really can honestly say that you payed $845 for this single sfno then I can't blame you.


I personally do not like liu kang. I feel like he rips off new people getting into busse.


When I herd how much this sfno is worth not $550-600 I put you in the same category with him.


I take it you would not be willing to take it back in exchange for another bigger maybe cg (fbm, ruck, kz2) that you have around the $650 range. I'm not asking you to offer me an exchange of $760 value.


If not I guess I'll be selling this for around 600 shipped taking a loss of $175 after a month of owning and never using the knife.


Again, you had it over three months:rolleyes:

My reply 3/14

I am telling you exactly what I said in the ad. It was tagged 797. THe tax was 6%. Add it up and its $845. Its that simple. I am not being rude just honest. I will go see what LK has for prices on sfnos. I got a email from another and he despises LK. He also say you tried to get him to say I was a liar too just like LK did. Let me assure you that is not the case, and I am no Liu Kang which is the new adverb for getting screwed/phucked.

I want you to be happy, but you have been given some bad info from Dan WHang.



I have done so many give aways. I have held knives for and given them freely to soldiers, LEO, etc. I have proxied more knives than most others combined the last few years. I am nothing like Liu Kang. The fact that he has called me a liar and you believe and want to try and get others to agree leaves me with skepticism. In light of your misquote of what you actually paid and your failure to address it after I questioned you leaves me with more doubt.



I can not and will not exchange a knife you purchased months ago on ebay at auction especially the way you have approached it.. THere were 8 bids on it and that determined the value. THe fact that it was $85 less than cost determined that the original value was a little high after tax. Regardless, it was a lot less than I paid to go to the show and get it . I assure you of that. If you would like a knife at a great price I am sure I can help you with that too, and it would be an honor to do so.

Best regards

blademaster reply 3.14

Lol


Ps: I looked up the phucktard list... And then some of your threads...


You are definitely not like him.




We finally got to talk...

We play a little phone tag and I finally reached Ross. He was young and new to Busse so I spent a lot of time and freely offerred you all my knowledge on the history of the SFNO. I told you the reasons for the differences. How old cg's sold for 750-850 on exchange here when no one could get em if they had snakeskin or green linen scales. THe entire evolution and the subsequent releases. I also told you not to give it away, and asked you why you wanted to get rid of it so bad since you had told me you were such the SFNO?NMSFNO collector and had 5 other meaners in the ebay message where you decided against buying the rest of the same set.


THings were good after the nearly hour spent giving a history lesson.

THen out of the blue more crazy emails and pms slandering me.


So, it really seems to me that you are young and naive to any type of collectible/investment. You feel that after keeping the knife I sold you in an open auction that your no longer happy with it after so many months doing lord knows what with it and that I should exchange or give you back $175 +.

Humm, seems like what you are accussing Boris of doing:thumbdn: I will get back to that later.

dated 4/8. A month after the talk. THis is when I suspect he went to tinkering with it and tried sharpening but since he is admittedly knew he found out real quick and the hard way that what Garth does at the shop isnt so easy.

Thanks for screwing me over. People like you give the knife community a bad name.
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Along with all sorts of ranting PMS threatening to take me to GBU if I didnt give you some money. Well, thats when I called you an insulting little chit, and that was when I told you to go to GBU and post about a knife you got on the bay 4 months ago at this time that you were perfectly happy with til LK told you it wasnt worth it.

Now I never heard one word about the knife not being beautiful until this time.

Really:confused:

FOUR Months after you received it.:p:thumbdn:

Well, I didnt fall off a turnip truck and this wont pass anyones smell test. No one and I mean no one can be held to those type of standards. Not Me, Not Busse, NO ONE.


THen you come here to Blade forums and have slandered me multiple times in open in Busse forum, in the double standards thread in Busse, and now here multiple times in GBU over a transaction that didnt even occur on this forum, and have the gall to lecture Boris over saying something to you in public.

Well, there are no words that I can type without repurcussion to describe what I think of you. THe sooner you and anyone that would agree with what you have done are gone the better. I wouldnt deal with you again for any reason



Boris, on the other hand is a good, calm, fair, and reasonable person in every regards to the transaction we had. I welcome him to stop in knife hunter's den every chance he can.

I leave this as is without edit. It took long enough and wasted enough of my time to deal with already,
 
Well Trevor thanks for proving to me that you are blatant liar.
So, it really seems to me that you are young and naive to any type of collectible/investment. You feel that after keeping the knife I sold you in an open auction that your no longer happy with it after so many months doing lord knows what with it and that I should exchange or give you back $175 +.
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I didn't ask you for money back. Good story though

Notice how I didn't even ask for a full exchange.
I take it you would not be willing to take it back in exchange for another bigger maybe cg (fbm, ruck, kz2) that you have around the $650 range. I'm not asking you to offer me an exchange of $760 value.
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I also like how you took it upon yourself to edit some of our email conversations to bend em your way.

I really hope Boris sends it to busse and they say that it was a factory grind error to show what kind of character you posses.

I figured it was only a matter of time before you made a huge dramatic post to try and save face.

I can't wait to meet you at blade.
 
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This email to me really describes your character Trevor aka knife hunter

Look, are you the young guy I spoke to on phone other day that bought the sfno from me in an auction for less than I paid for it???

Is that you? You can be mad all you want. I think you are off your meds. ..and your about to piss me off! Take it to GBU and watch folks laugh at you like a school child. I sold you a knife I took a loss on when I sold it in an open auction on ebay that 8 other peolpe bid on it and you all determined the value. Not me, you insulting little shit. I didnt screw you in the least. I told you all that other day at length to you. Knives like anything else you invest in are never gauranteed to gain in value or even retain it. The fact that you think so is ludicrous.

Go away. I dont care to deal with juveniles.
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Awesome way to welcome the new, young guys to blade forum. You don't give a shit about anyone so long as you don't come out looking bad.
 
Jeez... this whole thread is a trainwreck. It only serves to make me glad I don't collect Busse's.. :D
 
I think when we dig back far enough, we're gonna discover that this all Cliff Stamp's fault.
 
TheBladeMaster said:
Well Trevor thanks for proving to me that you are blatant liar.

I didn't ask you for money back. Good story though

Notice how I didn't even ask for a full exchange.


I really hope Boris sends it to busse and they say that it was a factory grind error to show what kind of character you posses.

I figured it was only a matter of time before you made a huge dramatic post to try and save face.

I can't wait to meet you at blade.
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I dont give a flying ka zoo what Busse finds. You think I am suppose to be responsible for it after it was in your possession 4 months later? THe fact you think asking someone to do something about how you were wronged isnt begging for money escapes me. How was I suppose to make it up to you? You want kisses?

You make me laugh. You cant even count the months. How am I suppose to reason with you.

Your character is the only one in question here bud. Keep making replies that you havent thought out....cause are you threatening me? I will make a drink:D:D
 
I have a bit of a delimma. I bought a sfno from you on ebay a little while ago. Green g10/ Walnut. I decided I wanted a bigger busse and it came time to try and sell the sfno. I believe I over payed for it. I payed you $775 for the knife and only did so because you said that you purchased it from blade 2008 for $797 not even including tax. I spoke with many people from busse and other busse dealers and they have told me that knife would probably sell at blade for around $600. Here is my delimma. I would hate to take a $200 loss on the knife a month after buying it. Is there any way you can right this? Maybe trade it back for a bigger knife that you may have? I inquired about a ruck or killa zilla already. Let me know. If I don't hear from you I'll assume that your not trying to stay reputable with me. If you opt not to do anything please still let me know.
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Read the conversation you just posted. I asked you to trade it for another knife. The only place you see asking for money is in your bullshit story after our phone conversation.

You are a flat out liar trying to cover your ass.

If busse finds it is a factory error you the dealer and long time busse collector should have seen and noticed the problem with the knife before a new member who has no idea how the knives come straight from busse.

I encourage you to keep posting because each post you make digs you deeper into a lie. Unfortunately for you the truth usually always comes to lint.
 
Another message to me from knife hunter displaying his wonderful character.

You really are off your rocker. I sent you a new and unused perfect custom shop piece in auction for I think $150 loss after shipping and fees to me on ebay. You keep it for 3-4 months doing Lord knows what with it and you have the nerve to tell me I am bad for the knife community after you sold it to another and now want to bblame me. You didnt notice the whole time you had it and now whoever you sold it too claims its messed up. Even though its been out of my hands for 4 months or so.

Folks like you give folks like me grief. You give the human race a bad name. You will understand this when you mature and grow up.
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The sad thing is, that I may be 22 years old but come off as more mature than you.

You want kisses? You make me laugh.
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Because that's mature right.
 
TheBladeMaster said:
Read the conversation you just posted. I asked you to trade it for another knife. The only place you see asking for money is in your bullshit story after our phone conversation.

You are a flat out liar trying to cover your ass.

If busse finds it is a factory error you the dealer and long time busse collector should have seen and noticed the problem with the knife before a new member who has no idea how the knives come straight from busse.

I encourage you to keep posting because each post you make digs you deeper into a lie. Unfortunately for you the truth usually always comes to lint.
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I am the liar? Get your facts, er prescriptions straight rookie. THose are pms....not emails. So who's the liar? Oh, yeah dont forget ....its only been a month since you got the knife, but its all knife hunter's fault.

I spent almost an hour on the phone with you....thats how much I care about the newbs. I let you call me dumb chit and all my emails were nice in return til you sent pms out of blue 4months after you bought the knife while you begged for a refund, then an exchange.

THe only liar is you. THe only one with double standards is you. Exerything you claimed Boris did to you...you actually did to me.
 
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