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I'm gonna have to agree with Cricket on this one, as my feelings are echoed 100% in his response... several poor ideas in the making here...
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I'm gonna have to agree with Cricket on this one, as my feelings are echoed 100% in his response... several poor ideas in the making here...
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Here's my take on the situation. There are more angry and off topic posts here than in threads about self defense against PEOPLE for Christ's sake.
Op finds himself in his line of work confronted by canines of an unfriendly nature. End of story.
I love dogs as much as the next guy. But I wouldn't hesitate to put a stop to ANY threat against my life.
For this particular threat, I would look at the 860 bedlam. Handle lends itself nicely for reverse grip, tip up carry rearpocket draws fast and keeps the big sob out of the way
Op finds himself in his line of work confronted by canines of an unfriendly nature. End of story.
I love dogs as much as the next guy. But I wouldn't hesitate to put a stop to ANY threat against my life.
For this particular threat, I would look at the 860 bedlam. Handle lends itself nicely for reverse grip, tip up carry rearpocket draws fast and keeps the big sob out of the way
I love dogs and have had one as a member of my family for many years, but I wouldn't hesitate to protect myself or my loved ones from another dog on the attack. My mother in law was recently attacked by two rottweilers on the loose. She had a couple of stitches, but her little dog she was walking was trying to protect her and was mauled to death.
I carry a good sized folder with me always, usually a 4-ish incher like my BM805 TSEK. Fast to deploy, strong lock, and a deep choil for hand "guard" purposes in stabbing use. Last ditch, I'd use it for sure. Otherwise, most rogue dogs I've run into run off when I stomp my foot and yell at them.
If I regularly ran into aggressive dogs on the loose, I'd probably end up carrying a Taser, after seeing videos on how effective they are. They give you some reach, and if you miss, you still have the "stunner" pain deterrent effect. The Taser C2 is nicely priced, less than a lot of larger folding knives, and more legal in a lot of places vs. large knives. Although many places are ass backwards about laws pertaining to them. That and a Taser is also very effective against people. So multipurpose self defense too. Although you can't prep food, open packages, perpare firewood with a Taser.
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I carry a good sized folder with me always, usually a 4-ish incher like my BM805 TSEK. Fast to deploy, strong lock, and a deep choil for hand "guard" purposes in stabbing use. Last ditch, I'd use it for sure. Otherwise, most rogue dogs I've run into run off when I stomp my foot and yell at them.
If I regularly ran into aggressive dogs on the loose, I'd probably end up carrying a Taser, after seeing videos on how effective they are. They give you some reach, and if you miss, you still have the "stunner" pain deterrent effect. The Taser C2 is nicely priced, less than a lot of larger folding knives, and more legal in a lot of places vs. large knives. Although many places are ass backwards about laws pertaining to them. That and a Taser is also very effective against people. So multipurpose self defense too. Although you can't prep food, open packages, perpare firewood with a Taser.
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Not true. If your on ones property with out complete consent its trespassing. If your trespassing and my dog attacks you then you would be in a lot more trouble then I would. At least around my area.
That said. Any large knife..... I would go for a baton or taser though....
I saw a video from.. it might have been Brazil because I think I heard the people speaking portuguese and the cameraman was filming his 2 large dogs biting and pinning down a supposed robber against a chain-link fence. Any time he would move they would bite him . Their mouths were bloody and you can see when they were snapping at his skin it was coming off (He was shirtless). Anyway, my point is that large dogs can be dangerous.
Bear mace is not legal in a lot of municipalities double check that one for sure.
Also, wind can be an issue blowing back some of it into your face can make things worse.
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" dog spray is not always effective"
I'm calling BS on that statement.
I have been attacked by dogs over 50 times, and I mean dogs with intent. Pepper spray has never failed me. Only two dogs ever came back for a second dose and I was happy to oblige. OC10 and Fox in 4oz cans do the job.
Pulling a knife on a dog with the owner near by? You will live a short life.
I'm calling BS on that statement.
I have been attacked by dogs over 50 times, and I mean dogs with intent. Pepper spray has never failed me. Only two dogs ever came back for a second dose and I was happy to oblige. OC10 and Fox in 4oz cans do the job.
Pulling a knife on a dog with the owner near by? You will live a short life.
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As a former cable tech I know exactly what the OP is talking about. And as for access, yes utility workers have full access to your yard weather you like it or not, and if you don't like it we call the cops and you can be arrested. Calling ahead or even telling people to put their big a$$ dog away doesn't always work. People are often ignorant and do dumb things, like the guy that told his nice dog to "get'em" (in a joking way) but the dog still lunged at me and got wacked in the head with my aluminum clip board. I've also had a boxer corner me in a backyard and a German shepherd run at me from a neighbors house luckily stopping 10ft away thanks to a underground fence. if you have ever had a German shepard run full speed at you then you know the puckered factor that can create.
Now even though this is a problem in that line of work the chances are usually slim that you will be attacked. most techs I knew carried a long screwdriver or a crescent wrench, both are very effective. FYI, cable techs have no need for a 8in or longer screwdriver
As for defending against a dog, don't try and kick, a dog is faster on all fours and you will likely miss and leave yourself open. if the dog had a collar this is your best grab point, as long as you can stay away from the jaws you can control the animal very well from the collar. If controlling the animal is out of the question then it would be time to move to plan B. Just like human confrontations you don't want to kill someone's animal if it is not justified, basically you would need to be injured first before you could justify pulling a weapon. use something heavy and blunt first, use a knife or screwdriver if your life needs a savin.
Now even though this is a problem in that line of work the chances are usually slim that you will be attacked. most techs I knew carried a long screwdriver or a crescent wrench, both are very effective. FYI, cable techs have no need for a 8in or longer screwdriver
As for defending against a dog, don't try and kick, a dog is faster on all fours and you will likely miss and leave yourself open. if the dog had a collar this is your best grab point, as long as you can stay away from the jaws you can control the animal very well from the collar. If controlling the animal is out of the question then it would be time to move to plan B. Just like human confrontations you don't want to kill someone's animal if it is not justified, basically you would need to be injured first before you could justify pulling a weapon. use something heavy and blunt first, use a knife or screwdriver if your life needs a savin.
As a former cable tech I know exactly what the OP is talking about. And as for access, yes utility workers have full access to your yard weather you like it or not, and if you don't like it we call the cops and you can be arrested. Calling ahead or even telling people to put their big a$$ dog away doesn't always work. People are often ignorant and do dumb things, like the guy that told his nice dog to "get'em" (in a joking way) but the dog still lunged at me and got wacked in the head with my aluminum clip board. I've also had a boxer corner me in a backyard and a German shepherd run at me from a neighbors house luckily stopping 10ft away thanks to a underground fence. if you have ever had a German shepard run full speed at you then you know the puckered factor that can create.
Now even though this is a problem in that line of work the chances are usually slim that you will be attacked. most techs I knew carried a long screwdriver or a crescent wrench, both are very effective. FYI, cable techs have no need for a 8in or longer screwdriver
As for defending against a dog, don't try and kick, a dog is faster on all fours and you will likely miss and leave yourself open. if the dog had a collar this is your best grab point, as long as you can stay away from the jaws you can control the animal very well from the collar. If controlling the animal is out of the question then it would be time to move to plan B. Just like human confrontations you don't want to kill someone's animal if it is not justified, basically you would need to be injured first before you could justify pulling a weapon. use something heavy and blunt first, use a knife or screwdriver if your life needs a savin.
Yeah sometimes they do that cornering/pinning thing where they just don't want you to move from a spot.
I think you'd be a lot smarter to carry some kind of bludgeon to hit the dog on the nose with, maybe a rolled up newspaper or some rubbery sort of stick.
A knife is not the best choice of weapons for defending yourself against a dog, a bludgeon to the nose will leave the dog injured enough not to attack you (dog's nose is about equivalent to a guy's balls) yet still alive. Taking precautions such as that will probably lead to you having a longer and less stressful life than if you were to go around stabbing people's dogs.
A knife is not the best choice of weapons for defending yourself against a dog, a bludgeon to the nose will leave the dog injured enough not to attack you (dog's nose is about equivalent to a guy's balls) yet still alive. Taking precautions such as that will probably lead to you having a longer and less stressful life than if you were to go around stabbing people's dogs.
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Yes, its not fun to be cornered or "run down" by a large animal while the owner is nowhere to be found.
I'd like to ask all the guys saying if you hurt the dog you would be victim of the angry dog owner, did you think about that statement? So your dog attacks someone and in defence that person kills your dog, its now justified that you do harm to the attacked person? Hope ya enjoy prison.
I'd like to ask all the guys saying if you hurt the dog you would be victim of the angry dog owner, did you think about that statement? So your dog attacks someone and in defence that person kills your dog, its now justified that you do harm to the attacked person? Hope ya enjoy prison.
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To the OP, I understand your delima completely. I carry a ZT 301 for this very reason. I can not carry a baton and don't want to carry dog spray as my hands are filled with a measuring tape, camera and pen. I have home owners tell me all the time that they will not be home and to go ahead into the back yard "our dog is sweet and want bite a soul". I am a dog lover and can tell you that dogs might be sweet when the owner is with them, but a lot of them can be very aggressive to a stranger when the homeowner is not around. I wouldn't want to have to kill a dog anymore than I would a person but if my life feels threatened then I have no other choice. Kill the dog and deal with the homeowner later. Most of you who are being so defensive of your dogs are not the types that are the problem. You love your dog and know what he/she is capable of. Unfortunately you are in the minority of dog owners. Sadly there are a ton of people that should not be aloud to have a goldfish, much less a pit bull, german shephard or rotweiler.
I have not had to use my knife and hope I never will, but I have pulled it a couple of times because I thought I was going to get my ass bitten. I would slowly move out of the yard, shut the fence, and call the home owner and re schedule for a time when they could be home. I would also charge a trip fee for having to come back out. I would catch hell from the homeowner about the trip fee. The funny part is that when I go back when the homeowner is there the dog is completely different.
I say carry what you know you can get to quickly and what you are comfortable handling. If you ever do have to use it, and you kill the animal, I would suggest getting away from the house and then calling animal control. Have animal control contact the homeowner/dogs owner. Legally I also would not use lethal force unless you have been bitten, if you can help it.
Good luck in picking the correct knife for your situation. I hope you never have to use it!
Whitty
I have not had to use my knife and hope I never will, but I have pulled it a couple of times because I thought I was going to get my ass bitten. I would slowly move out of the yard, shut the fence, and call the home owner and re schedule for a time when they could be home. I would also charge a trip fee for having to come back out. I would catch hell from the homeowner about the trip fee. The funny part is that when I go back when the homeowner is there the dog is completely different.
I say carry what you know you can get to quickly and what you are comfortable handling. If you ever do have to use it, and you kill the animal, I would suggest getting away from the house and then calling animal control. Have animal control contact the homeowner/dogs owner. Legally I also would not use lethal force unless you have been bitten, if you can help it.
Good luck in picking the correct knife for your situation. I hope you never have to use it!
Whitty
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Mad at cable techs? Maybe your trying to make a cheap jab or insult? Either way you facts are not very clear.
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Lex , I held the same position , my seasoned advice is :
Always rattle the gate when it looks like a dog lives there. Dont enter if there is.
Dont trust what the owner says ' he wont hurt you etc" -That dog can still get free. make sure its secured.
Watch out for those little dogs. they got a lot of bite.
Dont hurt a dog unless you have to . not good
Forget a knife for Dog SD. Carry one of those huge slotted screwdrivers on your belt. More reach. + doubles as useful tool.
remember Humans are more dangerous than a dog.
Learn a dogs body language. - eg when a dog feels confident the have a straight erect tail . copy that with your arm or something.
NEVER run from a dog.
Always rattle the gate when it looks like a dog lives there. Dont enter if there is.
Dont trust what the owner says ' he wont hurt you etc" -That dog can still get free. make sure its secured.
Watch out for those little dogs. they got a lot of bite.
Dont hurt a dog unless you have to . not good
Forget a knife for Dog SD. Carry one of those huge slotted screwdrivers on your belt. More reach. + doubles as useful tool.
remember Humans are more dangerous than a dog.
Learn a dogs body language. - eg when a dog feels confident the have a straight erect tail . copy that with your arm or something.
NEVER run from a dog.
If you come onto my property with an enclosed back yard and a dog warning sign and you stab my dogs I will shoot you, then spray you with your own spray and stab you with your own knife.
So you may want to get a very small knife.
If you come to the front door and ask for access, you will be granted safe access.
So you may want to get a very small knife.
If you come to the front door and ask for access, you will be granted safe access.
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A few things that I disagree on:
1. The dog is protecting its territory which is instinctual. Its not the dog's fault, its the owner's fault that you are in his backyard turning off his/her electric cervice.
2. While it is reasonable for you to protect yourself, it would be much better for you and the dog if you didn't use lethal force.
3. Pepper spray is the best option, especially while on someones private property, easements, right-of-ways, etc withstanding. It is not permanently dmaging to the dog, is more effective at distances that will KEEP YOU SAFE, and it will avoid legal issues.
Rememeber, dogs can't read the fine print in the electric service agreement and know nothing about easements, so they are just doing what dogs do. Do you really want your hand inches from a dog's mouth trying to use a knife for self defense?
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Cheap shot, or not, he's right. You do not have full access to private property just because you are a "cable tech", regardless of what you may believe.