Dog "Ownership"?

I have a bunch of animals that share my house. 3 dogs, 3 cats, 2 tanks of fish and a bird. I always thought of my self as a dog man. After all cats don't really earn there keep, and fish are just a picture that you have to feed. Birds are just loud. But if you ever have a serious injury, if your ever laid up for a long period of time then you'll change your thinking of cats. I must admit I can under stand why friends quit coming by. For 9 months I was the most boring person in the world. Took every thing I had just to get from a bed to a wheel chair, and half out of my mind on drugs. Not working meant the wife, God bless her, had to work 13 hours a day. So that left me alone with the critters. The dogs do what they think is there job and guard the house, let me know when some one is coming, and there always ready when I can toss a Frisbee. Then there is the cats. They had always scattered when I came in. Thought of them as the wifes cats and a house destroying nuisance. Then I got laid low and they were just always there giving a Little moral support. All my booting them out of the way was forgiven. Some how they made me laugh every day. The cats would even wake me up when it was time to change the I.V. They figured the time out with what ever internal instinct that they have, and if I had nodded off when it was time for the meds I'd get a Little bite in the ear. When a dog brings you something he is looking for your approval. A cat on the other hand, When he makes a kill its HIS kill. So when a cat brings you his fresh killed lizard, gopher or grasshopper, he is really trying to tell you something. Those three cats made sure I had fresh treats regularly.
 
I have 3 dogs, 2 bluetick beagles and one lab. All 3 used for hunting. They are as I call them "my lil buddys" they are MY dogs. They listen to me from me working with them every day since the time they have entered my home. I work with them even in play. They like my g/f and other people but they answer to me. They are all females. I am awful proud of them as they hunt bunnies and ducks like I ask em too.
 
I have a basset hound, she is such a good dog, saved me from a racoon once. I also have a cat, a little orange tabby thing, it seems like a lot of you aren't too fond of cats, but man..... this little cat that I have is the most bad-ass animal I have ever owned! He got in a fight with a bloodhound behind a local Marsh and he ripped the dog's ear almost off, and now the bloodhound is blind in one eye from where my cat bit it. I feel really bad for the dog, guess cause he reminds me of my dog, Sassy, but I guess that it was his fault for chasing Kitty. The cat also sleeps with me, I dunno... he just seems kinda dog-like to me...
 
I buy dogs, for a certain price. They never grow up and become independent citizens. They are my property for life. In a survival situation, I might consider eating a dog.

I may adopt a child some day. I've never seen children for sale in my local newspaper.
 
I wouldn't be able to eat a dog. I know that it's common practice in other parts of the world, but I just look at then diffrently. Same as the way cows are sacred in other countries and religions.

I guess if things were to get desperate enough, I would consider dogs, but not MY dog, she's just another member of the family.

I know that line of thinking is majorly flawed, willing to consider another persons "member of the family" as food, but not my own.

Sorry if anyone found the adoption comparison to be offensive, it wasn't meant to be. Like I said, I really dont compare child to dog, there's no equality there.
 
I have 2 blue heelers, and consider them members of the pack. There is a pecking order and my wife and I are 1 and 2. Responsible for? Yes. Own?
No. I am obligated to set the boundries, and provide food, water, & shelter,
They provide me so much more. I feel like I am a better person because of my dogs.

There is someone on this website, and I cannot remember who , who has this as there signature line,

"I wish I was half the man my dogs think I am."
 
shotgunner11 said:
Sorry to hear about the underdeveloped sense of humor.:D


You guys have a alot of good looking dogs, loving the pics.


I think I need to clarify about the pitbull thing. I have no problem with them at all, I just know they can be aggressive players when their puppies. All dogs can, but even as puppies, pits can have devistatingly powerfull jaws and I've had bites bad enough to break the skin just playing tug o war with a friends pit puppies.

I never really worried about Chloe attacking the kids, shes very gentle, but she plays like a hellhound.
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Good gosh:eek: ,no offence...but please don't buy all this "pits can have this,can have that" nonsense.Every pup of every dogbreed can and will "break" the skin while roughplaying.That needs no "devastatingly powerfull jaws"(:confused: wtf :barf: :thumbdn: :thumbdn:) at all.Canine teeth are designed by nature so that they can penetrate with rather little force,and the needlesharp puppy teeth do it even more so even by just scratching over your skin.No bitingpower needed for that.

Alex
 
Yeah those Pit Pull breeds can be pretty nasty !!!!

If they are like this they are ok....
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But if they are doing this....
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It means they are hungry and you had best give them a cookie pretty quick...
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Or even Ice-cream will work...
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I have four dogs and love them to death. On the top is the old woman of the house Punky a bejeni mix. Next in line is Coco a shepard mix she old but stills acts like a puppy. Corky a blue healer mix is the most agressive of all. The fourth is one I almost ran over. She darted out in the street and thank God I miss her. She had no tags, and the area was commercial with no houses in sight. After the vet visit and found out she had her uterus was hanging and need to go under the knife to save her. Healing at my house I noted how well she behaved and the others like her. So we gave her a name Holly and she liked it. I was worried due to she is a red nose stafford terrier, but after taking to other who own and love this breed I felt she would make a great member of our family. She happy being the bottom dog. I thinking she escaped a dog fighting home, she does have scars and has no heart to fight. One day, Corky , decided to fight for next in order power with Coco. Holly ran away and hid crying. She a love dog and will most likey lick you to death. As for pits being the fighting dog, yes and no. Stafford terrier is hearted dog and will give all. But also true is they will protect the family to death and love the rest of family. Do not trust everything the media says, each dog is different. Yours sounds like my Coco she hates it when I leave and goes nuts when I return. To the rest awesome dog pics, I love Dogs and all breeds, except those teacup dogs. Sorry real dog weigh over 20 lbs.
 
Here dogs are considered your "property" or "livestock" like cattle, chickens etc. So as far as the law is concerned, I guess I own my dogs. I'd like to think I'm in charge, but they see my wife as the alpha, so that puts me in the number two spot..."the treat man" spot! I love my dogs and they are a big part of our family. They can leave anytime they want to...but they have it made! ( 2 Boxers btw) -Matt-
 
boef800 said:
Good gosh:eek: ,no offence...but please don't buy all this "pits can have this,can have that" nonsense.Every pup of every dogbreed can and will "break" the skin while roughplaying.That needs no "devastatingly powerfull jaws"(:confused: wtf :barf: :thumbdn: :thumbdn:) at all.Canine teeth are designed by nature so that they can penetrate with rather little force,and the needlesharp puppy teeth do it even more so even with just scratching over your skin.No bitingpower needed for that.

Alex
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Not offended, but I stand by my statement. Pitbulls can and do have massively powerful mouths by design. Strong jaw muscles and the highest bite force of all dog breeds.

Chloe came to us at around 7mo. old and 50 lbs., she was well beyond needle sharp teeth. She has bitten me twice, both times we were playing tug o war and, like the dipstick I am, I let my hand get onto "her side" of her favorite rope. Total accident on her part, my hand was where it shouldn't be and she readjusted her grip. Trust me, pitbulls bite with quite a bit of force.

I mean nothing of a pits temperment, I'm speaking of the anatomy only.
 
I'd like to think I'm in charge, but they see my wife as the alpha, so that puts me in the number two spot..."the treat man" spot!
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As long as you know your place. :) And it's not a bad role anyway.

I would consider dogs, but not MY dog,
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Not sure, really, that I could eat one of my own dogs either, but it sounded kinda butch when I wrote it, didn't it? I'm flexing chest and biceps right now.

Besides my military survival training was primarily focused on foraging insects ("nature's fast food").
 
shotgunner11 said:
Not offended, but I stand by my statement. Pitbulls can and do have massively powerful mouths by design. Strong jaw muscles and the highest bite force of all dog breeds.

Chloe came to us at around 7mo. old and 50 lbs., she was well beyond needle sharp teeth. She has bitten me twice, both times we were playing tug o war and, like the dipstick I am, I let my hand get onto "her side" of her favorite rope. Total accident on her part, my hand was where it shouldn't be and she readjusted her grip. Trust me, pitbulls bite with quite a bit of force.

I mean nothing of a pits temperment, I'm speaking of the anatomy only.
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That's excactly what I mean by saying don't buy the hype.Even a smallish Daxhound or a Fox Terrier would have enough power to bite through your hand.Where you got this "Pitbulls can and do have massively powerful mouths by design. Strong jaw muscles and the highest bite force of all dog breeds." stuff from?That's what I call the hype.Have you found out a way to measure it?Have you measured all the numerous dog breeds that exist for their bitestrenght.Sorry,but I seriously doubt it.Such a broad scientificly inquiry exists not!All this "so many tons of bitepower per inch...blabla" you may have heard from TV or Newspapers is just that....nonsense,nonsense as stupid as it can get.And it becomes not any bit more true by repeating it 100 or 10000 times.The only scientific measurements I've heard of indicated that the dogs with the most wolflike skulls seem to have the most powerfull bites.
Go and trim down the fur of a Malinois or a good example of German Shepard to 5mm in the jaw area and then compare the muscles which you see to an APBT,compare the teeth and play the tuggy-tuggy game with Malpup out of high driven parents/lines.Go ahead and take a good look at the jaws and teeth of some well seasoned Caucasion Ovcharkas,Middle Asian Ovcharkas and/or Turkish Kangal or a big Sarplaninac male for that matter.
You say "Trust me, pitbulls bite with quite a bit of force.",:o sorry to say it,but from what you wrote here about the matter of Pitties and dogs in general I would be willing to bet my whole belongings that you have not very much experience with dogs in general let alone with the real McCoy.It sounds to me if you probably never came across or near a real genuine APBT at all.

Regards,Alex
 
Dogs are property. This is a legal definition, but many of us have a hard time thinking of them as such. Living things can be such a grey area when it comes to our own interpretations of ownership. Even saying that I "own" our chickens doesn't seem right. There's got to be a better word...

This is "Duke" a.k.a. ding-dong Duke, dipstick, and d@mn dog. Mostly Lab, but there's a few other breeds in there too, we just call him Duke.

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Though not necessarily a "rescue", I'm sure he feels he was rescued from a negative situation. His fur was worn off of his neck and his collar area was full of sores from being chained up all the time.

Duke keeps the "bad" animals away from the chickens and will lick your arm off if you let him. He's never met a tennis ball he didn't like and like most labs, he's EXTREMELY intelligent, but dumber than a bag of hammers at times.

We love him.
 
boef800 said:
That's excactly what I mean by saying don't buy the hype.Even a smallish Daxhound or a Fox Terrier would have enough power to bite through your hand.Where you got this "Pitbulls can and do have massively powerful mouths by design. Strong jaw muscles and the highest bite force of all dog breeds." stuff from?That's what I call the hype.Have you found out a way to measure it?Have you measured all the numerous dog breeds that exist for their bitestrenght.Sorry,but I seriously doubt it.Such a broad scientificly inquiry exists not!All this "so many tons of bitepower per inch...blabla" you may have heard from TV or Newspapers is just that....nonsense,nonsense as stupid as it can get.And it becomes not any bit more true by repeating it 100 or 10000 times.The only scientific measurements I've heard of indicated that the dogs with the most wolflike skulls seem to have the most powerfull bites.
Go and trim down the fur of a Malinois or a good example of German Shepard to 5mm in the jaw area and then compare the muscles which you see to a APBT,compare the teeth and play the tuggy-tuggy game with Malpup out of high driven parents/lines.Go ahead and take a good look at the jaws and teeth of some well seasoned Caucasion Ovcharkas,Middle Asian Ovcharkas and/or Turkish Kangal or a big Sarplaninac male for that matter.
You say "Trust me, pitbulls bite with quite a bit of force.",:o sorry to say it,but from what you wrote here about the matter of Pitties and dogs in general I would be willing to bet my whole belongings that you have not very much experience with dogs at all let alone with the real McCoy.It sounds to me if you probably never came across or near a real genuine APBT at all.

Regards,Alex
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OK, I'll disregard the information given to me by my Vet., the police K9 officer and trainer who is training my dog for me and the fellow who lives next door with 4 pits, full bread and I'll just take the advice of Alex, the angry guy on the internet. I don't really feel the need to go into my experience with dogs and APBT in general, you already have me pegd as knowing nothing.


Just as a by the way, the K9 officers association holds biteforce competitions each year where trained attack dogs are measured against eachother. A Rottie won this years competition, only the second time a pit lost. Somewhere around 350lbs of pressure, the most ever recorded.
 
Can I just add here that as much as people on this forum know how crazy I am about my dog and how well behaved she is etc, this didn't happen by accident.
If you do have a Bull Terrier you MUST use a very firm hand from puppyhood.You will often feel you are being too heavy handede and cruel to your doe eyed puppy but I feel the main cause of the PitBulls etc that are in the news giving other Bully breeds a bad name is that they have not been properly trained from puppyhood !
Spend the time and give them the correct training and discipline and you will find they make the most loving,loyal dogs there is !!!!
 
Good point pitdog. Pits have to know their boundaries. Thats one of the reasons I was worried about Chloe, knowing she was abused and the fact that I didn't raise her for the first 7mo. of her life. I got lucky.
 
I did a little research, and even the pit bull support website say that the bite claims are unsubstantiated.

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/

In the grand scheme of things, a dog's bite force is low in the animal kingdom, and does it really matter when there teath are sharp and trying to get ya?

this is all about bite forces, take a look interesting reading.

http://www.carnivoraforum.com/index...oological&thread=1180390300&page=1#1180425785

OH here's a comp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7jhrxy0HKs&eurl=
 
pitdog said:
Can I just add here that as much as people on this forum know how crazy I am about my dog and how well behaved she is etc, this didn't happen by accident.
If you do have a Bull Terrier you MUST use a very firm hand from puppyhood.You will often feel you are being too heavy handede and cruel to your doe eyed puppy but I feel the main cause of the PitBulls etc that are in the news giving other Bully breeds a bad name is that they have not been properly trained from puppyhood !
Spend the time and give them the correct training and discipline and you will find they make the most loving,loyal dogs there is !!!!
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Pitdog no offense sincerely meant.

I have to weigh in a little here.

Pits (yes, I know they get mistaken for others but they are not a true breed per say) have a bad rep for a reason. The breed has an unsound mind even though individual Pits are champs in obedience, raised well, socialized and they babysit the newborn. Those exact dogs have turned and turned hard without provication and with no warning.

Of course not every Pit will attack and make fine pets but they ALL have the "POTENTIAL" to snap. A Pitt snapping and a Yorkie is 2 very different things altogether. Labs for example as a breed were never bread to fight thus its not inate to their way of thinking.

The CDC has stats that enlighten to say the least.

I trained and bred dogs for 10 years so I know a bit about the species.

Pits are banned in many places not because there is a holy war or government conspiracy toward the breed but because its warranted. I must say Pit owners are much like their dogs and run a very good PR campaign to clear the breeds name but it is misplaced.

When training in public places the only dogs I have had consitant problems with are Rotts & Pits. Yes, other dogs can be a problem but not with the same consistency. I carry a large folding blade when out with the dogs for this very reason as I have had 2 very nasty encounters unprevoked, by perfect dogs with never any history of violent behavior, just like yours.

Unsound and ticking bombs IMHO.

PLEASE!!!! Lets not get in to a link posting PR campaign as I have read ALL the pro Pitbull propaganda and dont buy it.

I am just stating my opinion from experience and credible statistics as I see them. You have every right to own one and love one but please keep an eye on it and your insurance up to date.

This is all I have to say in this thread. No, pissing contest today.

Skam
 
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