Dog "Ownership"?

shotgunner11 said:
Thanks GKN, don't even get me started on the damn cats. Three of them in the house, wife won't let me use them for target practice.
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I didn't read through this entire thread, and I'm certainly not going to weigh in on the pit debate that seems to have sprung up at the end of it. But I did want to mention that I have a cat who is the most friendly animal you can imagine. Oh, he's pretty independent all right. He's mostly an outdoor cat (can't imagine forcing a cat to live inside all its life), but he just loves to be with people and he's quite affectionate.

The kids love him to death.

So not all cats are those stuck-up PITA types that you see jammed unhappily in people's houses....

BTW, don't tell my kids, but I'm thinking about getting a dog next year. My wife is allergic to all dogs (it's the dander) except for Samoyeds and, I think, American Eskimos. So it'll probably be a Samoyed. I need a mobile home alarm system, and I want a hiking buddy.

We had a Samoyed once and, no, no one "owned" that dog. But we were responsible for it in the same way that we'd be responsible if our under-aged children wrecked someone elses' property.
 
I was just joking about the cats, I have 3. They are very spoiled and get showered with more attention than they really can handle at times.

The cats are not exactly thrilled about the the new dog, Chloe just wants to play, and the cats just want the dog to die. They keep pushing the bleach bottle over to her water dish every night, lucky for us it has a childproof cap.
 
runningboar said:
There are many types of dangerous dogs besides pits, they just get the lions share of the press. Also with certain elements of our society pits have become more popular and there are many more around now than there have been, IMO due to the image associated with them, which leads to more conflict and incidents. No breeds should be controlled or regulated, just like guns, it is up to the owner, which should be held responsible, to control and contain their animals. If the dog attacks the owner, so what, the owner knew that the animal could be dangerous and was willing to take the risk. If it attacks someone else unprovoked, the dog should be destroyed and the owner held liable, not the breed. Chris
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The only problem with the above is that it is not usually the owner of the dog that gets attacked. The problem is that it is predictably children 2-10 who get attacked the most often. The child with half her face ripped off that I treated a few years ago would probably not have gotten a lot of consolation from the dog being put down and the owner held liable. (By the way, it was a Roittweiler who hurt that little girl). So maybe we should regulate dogs just a little bit? Does anyone object to leash laws?

While I do not agree that pitbulls as a breed are blameless, I have been attacked by all sorts of breeds (while running or biking, for example). And I have only been hurt once - and it was by a standard poodle. And even then, I only called the police when the family got angry at me for raising my voice at the dog after it sunk it's teeth into my calf (owners might also have a role to play in dog behavior?). So regulate the dogs! And if it turns out that one breed is responsible for a disproportionately large number of attacks, regulate it as well. Just like we regulate traffic around school buses.
 
I seem to always be sucked in to these debates where others are smart enough to stay away. Anyway my idea of held liable is much different from our current judicial systems, in an attack like you speak of I don't think attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and many more charges are beyond the realm of reason, not to mention the civil liabilities. Also how was this little girl in such close proximity to this animal, not in all cases but several, the parents of the child are to be held responsible as well. In America today the answer is always governmental control of anything that is dangerous and personal responsibility is thrown out the window, everyone wants to be protected as long as THEY don't have to do anything. Pit bulls are probably a plot by George Bush. Chris
 
Here's some pic's of my Kids.... I feel more like they own me :D


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The govt regulates and tries to micromanage our lives too much as it is.

I dont want to live in a happy shiny foam padded-world where everyone is safe & compliant and the govt is a god.
 
g30ff said:
We're responsible for them and we're responsible for their actions but there are still plenty of limits as to how far the rights of 'ownership' go.
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It goes as far as deciding whether you'll "put he/she/it to sleep". How could it go any further than that "limit" ? :confused:

You don't get to make that kind of decisions for your children or significant others you're responsible for unless they're braindead and dogs sure as hell aren't braindead. Is this not ownership ?
 
Personally, I'd call that guardianship, faramir - it's not as though you're throwing away a broken possession. I think 'ownership' is a little more detached than that.

On leash laws: if a dog were required to be on-leash, then it would come down to selective enforcement to allow off-leash areas. More importantly, it would provide a very clear demonstration of who was responsible for allowing a dog to attack, assuming the majority of dog attacks are by unleashed dogs and assuming that officials had the will to pursue it. But then, we don't hold parents responsible for the acts of their children, either.
 
I live in a house that shelters four dogs. I do own them legally but don't think of them as property. They are part of the family.
 
faramir said:
It goes as far as deciding whether you'll "put he/she/it to sleep". How could it go any further than that "limit" ? :confused:

You don't get to make that kind of decisions for your children or significant others you're responsible for unless they're braindead and dogs sure as hell aren't braindead. Is this not ownership ?
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I own many things and with the exception of animals I can smash them all to flinders anytime I please. I sure can't do that with a dog. We call it ownership and legally it probably is closer to that than, say, 'adoption', but it sure isn't the same kind of ownership you have over non-animal property.

You might legally be able to put your dog to sleep on a whim :( but most people who own dogs couldn't make that decision lightly. Dogs can't speak for themselves so we have to decide for them, but I think most people facing that kind of decision would take it almost as seriously as they would the decision to take a family member off life support.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/303/gauging-family-intimacy
 
bikermikearchery said:
Long have I guarded these prison like walls, of brick and wire and stone,
with not to break the time of day but a drop of water and piece of bone.
How I've longed to be a Sheppard in the opened and God kissed land,
and lead the sheep to water for the touch of the masters hand.

he epitaph my father wrought for the passing of his dog El Lobo Bianco
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Dude.....very touching....Thanks for sharing.
 
Do you guys know how your dogs and cats actually think?? Read below.

The Dog's Diary

8:00 am - Dog food! My favorite thing!

9:30 am - A car ride! My favorite thing!

9:40 am - A walk in the park! My favorite thing!

10:30 am - Got rubbed and petted! My favorite thing!

12:00 PM - Milk bones! My favorite thing!

1:00 PM - Played in the yard! My favorite thing!

3:00 PM - Wagged my tail! My favorite thing!

5:00 PM - Dinner! My favorite thing!

7:00 PM - Got to play ball! My favorite thing!

8:00 PM - Wow! Watched TV with the people! My favorite thing!

11:00 PM - Sleeping on the bed! My favorite thing!


The Cat's Diary

Day 983 of my captivity.

My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects.

They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while the other inmates and I are fed
hash or some sort of dry nuggets. Although I make my contempt for the
rations perfectly clear, I nevertheless must eat something in order to
keep up my strength.

The only thing that keeps me going is my dream of escape.

In an attempt to disgust them, I once again vomit on the carpet. Today
I decapitated a mouse and dropped its headless body at their feet.
I had hoped this would strike fear into their hearts, since it clearly
demonstrates my capabilities. However, they merely made condescending comments about what a "good little hunter" I am. Buttheads!

There was some sort of assembly of their accomplices tonight. I was
placed in solitary confinement for the duration of the event. I
could, however, hear the noises and smell the food. I overheard that my confinement was due to the power of "allergies." I must learn what this means, and how to use it to my advantage.

Today I was almost successful in an attempt to assassinate one of my tormentors by weaving around his feet as he was walking. I must try this again tomorrow, but at the top of the stairs.

I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches.

The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released, and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously retarded.

The bird must be an informant. I observe him communicating with the Guards regularly. I am certain that he reports my every move. My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated cell, so he is safe.

For now....

;)

L.W.
 
Legally, I own Sadie. So I suppose the answer is yes. But in reality she's my best buddy and absolutely a member of the family. She's a big help too, especially running errands and tagging along on car rides.
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Joey was an older dog that was able to stay with us four years, much longer than we anticipated. He felt a lot different than Sadie, more like having an elderly uncle move in to finish his years among family.
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I try not to play favorites among the household members (Wife, Boy, and Sadie), but with Joe it was difficult to hide my preference.

-Bob
 
I'm just a dog's best friend...(stole that line from stevengregory!).

I own my dog the same as a parent owns a 5 year old child. Ownership might not be the right word for it, as many responsibilities are a part of this "ownership", but there aren't too many right words for this.

My dog is a pitbull and my parent's dogs are too. I've been involved in pitbull rescue and ownership for many years now, and I can say these are truly some of the most loving dogs around.

rosconey2 said:
i remember growing up it was about Dobermans going insane and killing people,then german shepards now its pitts-
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Good point. Every generation has had a breed of dog that was unfairly, and wrongly, characterised as dangerous.

I shudder to think which innocent breed of dog will be chosen by ignorant people to hate next.

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My brindle pitbull, Dixie.

 
I totally pwn my Pit dog....:D :p :eek:



Seriously, though...she is quite obedient and grateful to be "pwned"....




She's actually more an American Stafforshire Terrier (larger ~ 60 lbs, and NO fat) vs. a APBT (35-45 lbs)
 
More Pro-Pit propaganda

Can these eyes be vicious?
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Pansy, pure bred American Pitbull Terrier of Yellow Rattler bloodlines, in all her athletic beauty. This photo is a couple of months old, currently she is a bit dirtier because we have winter here and it is too cold to wash the dogs right now without risking a cold. Besides we live on a farm, you wash them and the first thing they do is roll in the dirt to get rid of the awful soap smell.
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Pits are born athletes with a zest for life that is difficult to imitate.
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She is also a born survivor, got bitten by a bushveld cobra about 8 weeks ago. Survived the first 24 hours without any medicine or antivenom (vet had just used the last he had on another dog the previous day). Her face still sags a bit on the right side of the bloating cause she did look like a football. She never even growled even though the snake poison is extremely painful.
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Last but not least she is not the only one, having to share property and affection with three other dogs. Two them twice as heavy as her. The fourth one is a Staffordshire Bullterrier and was probably sleeping on the sofa when the pic was taken.
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regards
roger
 
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