Don't trade with Buck 112

Keith,
That's a great idea! I've been so busy that I forgot about the posts on other forums! I'll go do that right now.

Take care,
Dan.
 
I've been reading this post for the last little bit and decided to chime in with my $.02 worth. Keeping in mind that I have no vested interest in the outcome of this situation, it was that in reading through all thats been said I felt an urge to add a few things.

I think we have an obligation to forgive. Even if this situation was not being put right we have to still be willing to forgive. After all ALL of us have been forgiven ourselves. We may choose not to accept this forgiveness, but we have it there anyway. I am very happy to see that Buck 112 is willing to finally stand up and admit to a mistake and not only admit it but then to rectify it. He deserves a pat on the back for this. Now, before you label me a bleeding-heart liberal, let me say that forgiveness does not come without a price! Even though we were forgiven we still have to face the consequences of our wrongs. Buck 112 will also. Our word, and the trust others here put in our word are the only thing we have, since we are spread out over this big old world with little way of righting a wrong of the type Buck 112 committed. When we violate that we lose our good name and others no longer will deal with us and rightfully so! The trust will take a long time to rebuild and will never be rebuilt back to the level that was first there. Some may think, "well, big deal" but those of us who are regulars here know that once branded a crook it takes some doing for anybody to ever place trust in that person again. It is apparent that Buck 112 is a regular and is indeed a knife nut which is the number 1 reason to be here! The consequences of Buck 112's actions will result in the loss of all trust he had gained and will force him to "tear down" the walls of distrust AND then "rebuild" the walls of trust. I don't know about you, but for me that would be a terrible punishment..........but a deserving one.

Again, only my $.02 worth, but I am happy to see that this story has a happy ending!
 
I think the accolades for doing the right thing are patent lunacy.

I know the difference between candy-store pillaging and premeditated theft, however juvenile the perpatrator in age or mindset, and so should anyone over the age of twelve.

He knew he wasn't sending anything back to the US. He banked on the international distance to keep anyone from doing anything about it.

His change of heart is admirable, but also pragmatic. He wants to be allowed to stay on here. Doing the right thing gets him off the hook.

I don't think he should be banned, since fixing the problem technically restores his status as a law-abiding forumite. If anyone trades with him again, though, they had best be very, very careful.
 
Got my $$$ today. I think all of us involved here should give a BIG thanks to Dan for what he has done. Thanks Dan.
Kasper, good for you in doing the right thing in the end. Hang out and learn, don't leave right away. When I found this forum, I thought CRKT was the 'shiznat', but I have learned to appreciate the finer knives in life by what I have read hear and by researching past posts and forums.

Anywho... Thanks again Dan,


I am out!


-Dave
 
I received my $$ from Dan today for the knife that I had sent in a trade deal with Buck 112.

I lost some bucks on the shipping but at least I got my money for the knife. It was also a great inconvenience waiting for an item that was never to come.

Kasper...I am glad that you are making good to people on this stuff.

As far as my deal, well, I will say only what my grandmother taught me well..."if you dont have anything good to say, then dont say it at all"

Thanks to Dan for the transfers of the $$ !!

Greg Covington
Bladesmith
 
Originally posted by XRAYED

As far as my deal, well, I will say only what my grandmother taught me well..."if you dont have anything good to say, then dont say it at all"
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Sorry granny, but the more I think about it, I really should say something. I lost money here.....nothing good about that. If I remember it cost me near $20-25 to ship via global priority...I dont have that kind of money to throw away either.

The item I was trading for was an air rifle...one that would retail here for about $550. I was wondering why a trade for a nice one like this for a $300 knife....but my buddy who served in the Army in Bosnia, tells me that the Danish troops he served with were very keen on knives. They told him that knives were very restricted in Denmark and have a greatly inflated resale value in that country. I dont know how true this is but if so, Buck 112 is not hurting at all as far as $$.

Kasper, I am not saying any of this to be mean....and I at least feel like you made an attempt to send the air rifle, but others were hurt in these deals.

Again...thanks to Dan for the transfers.

Greg Covington
Bladesmith
 
Alec, you have voiced my sentiments exactly. The only way I would even consider doing a deal with Kasper would be if I was going to get his money or knife in my hand before I sent anything to him.

He may have made things right, but what he did was still very wrong.
 
The item I was trading for was an air rifle...one that would retail here for about $550. I was wondering why a trade for a nice one like this for a $300 knife....but my buddy who served in the Army in Bosnia, tells me that the Danish troops he served with were very keen on knives. They told him that knives were very restricted in Denmark and have a greatly inflated resale value in that country. I dont know how true this is but if so, Buck 112 is not hurting at all as far as $$.
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Let me ammend my earlier statement.

If knives have a vastly inflated value in Denmark, I don't believe for a second that the entire cost of any knife was turned over to ANY of the recipients. Teenage thieves aren't going to pass up a chance to get a little kickback on stolen goods they're returning. I bet any one of you a hundred dollars out of my own pocket, I guarantee you that this little scam artist has skimmed at least the cost of some new threads off the top of the reparation fund that's going to Dan

Just to hop up on my soapbox for a moment, the fact that the little criminal is being patted on the back and told that he can "work to rejoin the community" for making reparations to his victims is frankly abhorrent to me. There should be discussions about informing the Danish police, not "get me about what my knife was worth, okay?"
I don't think he should be allowed to participate in the sale forums at all. I know exactly how much weight one Basic Member's opinion carries, and, well...just because I'm right doesn't make it happen.

There will likely be someone who doesn't learn after the first time they try to pet the dog that the damn dog will bite your ass if you touch it. I sincerely doubt it's going to be anyone who dealt with this knucklehead this time, though.
 
At risk of being an A$$HOLE here, I'm gonna say it anyway. I did not appreciate being scammed by any means. But you know what? I'm getting a little sick of hearing people that had absolutely nothing to do with this tell me how I should feel about the situation or that I am wrong in forgiving him. Frankly, I don't give a rats a$$ what anybody thinks about how I feel and what I do

I am an honorable person, and do what I know is right. I am also a forgiving person. If you don't like that, keep it to yourself. I am doing nothing at all to harm any one of you chiming in telling us that have forgiven Kasper that basically our belief system is below yours. I don't wan to hear it any more. I learned a lot from this situation, I will be more cautious in the future. But I am not going to sit here and stew in anger about something that is finished. LET IT DROP.

-Dave
 
Hello all.

I had sent 2 knives to Buck112 for trade.
I just got my personal cheque (for $400) from Dan by regular air mail (pretty quick for just $0.60 !!!) with the attached note…

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While I am grateful that Kasper has chosen to right the wrongs; I think this adds insult to injury, especially since I was neither told, nor asked about it…

While I understand that Striderman Dan should be compensated for his troubles in distributing the money, I don’t think we should have paid it!!! This leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Quite frankly, at those fees ($70), I am sure that anyone would have happily have played cashier!!!

Thoughts? Am I out of line, and/or ungrateful???

Thanks,
Rob

Edit: Please note: I am NOT annoyed or unhappy with Striderman :cool: Dan, he deserves to be compensated for distributing the money that Kasper sent him. I am annoyed that he was paid out of OUR money, not Kasper's.:mad: It is one last jab by our Danish :rolleyes: friend...
 
I wasn't the only one surprised then? I guess Kasper could afford to be generous with our money...:rolleyes:... Me more than most:p
 
Rob,

So, if I’m understanding you correctly you were told by Kasper that you would be receiving $430 (the retail price of your knives, but not covering your lost shipping costs). But when you received the money today, it was less a $30 handling fee (cashier’s fee by Striderman) about which you were not told in advance? It looks like Dave didn’t did not know about this in advance either.

Wow. This just doesn’t sound right. Here’s my take:

Firstly, liability falls on Kasper. If Striderman required a fee for his services, Kasper should be paying for it out of his pocket (in addition to reimbursement of funds owed).

Secondly, if Striderman requires a fee for his services and Kasper cannot pay that fee, a reasonable fee should be negotiated amongst those the money should be distributed.

Now, I was under the impression that Striderman was volunteering his services as “cashier.” No other context was given that I recall. This doesn’t mean that Striderman shouldn’t be compensated for his services. I would think the areas of compensation would be associated with things like reimbursement for postage and bank charges (whatever applies); not necessarily his personal time (God knows ALL parties here have lost a ton of personal time over this). In my estimation, $70 covers quite a bit of postage and what else? I think $5 or $10 per transaction for a “personal fee” might be reasonable, but again, that should come from Kasper.
 
I think there has been a TON of miscommunication here. Kasper is very wiley wih his words and is very convincing in what he says. I do not believe Dan had anything to do with this miscommunication.

-
Dave
 
After all of my expenses, I made $8.00 and change for being the cashier. I paid $40.00 in bank fees, I spent over two hours on the phone (long distance) with Shelby Chan in New York, I spent money on postage and called Rob in Canada (out of country). I also made a special trip to the post office in Conifer, Colorado which is a 40 minute round trip for me. I would not say that being cashier is a good job.

I'm grateful to Shelby Chan for his assistance and to Kasper for making good on his promise. There are several others that helped me also. Kyle helped me a great amount as well. Thanks to all who helped finish this transaction.

If Rob is still unhappy, I'll send him the $8.00 that I have left over.

Dan.
 
Dave,
I agree with you. I had always defended Kasper previously, but this just sticks a small knife in everyone's backs.

I am sure that Dan had bank fees, phone bills, etc.

I just would have liked to have been told about it, but that's Kasper's fault, not Dan's; and Kasper should have paid them, not the 3 of us.

Edit (Dan posted as I was writing my post): Dan, I don't want your money. I only posted this because no one told me WE were paying your fees. I didn't know about the bank fees until you told me, not the phone calls, nor the 40min round trip :o

If it's any consolation, I sent my knives from Detroit during a business trip (about an extra hour), spent $$ on long distance phone calls to the 3rd party who shipped the knives for 2 of us (to help poor Kasper with his customs problems)...

Kasper can now sit back and laugh as we squabble amongst ourselves...

Being cashier is not as good as it looked, now that I have the facts... If I had known them, I wouldn't have said boo...:footinmou
Sorry Dan,
Rob:mad:
 
Kasper hasn't made good on his promise, or on his obligation. He promised to return these people's money; it is his obligation to return their money. Any postage, bank fees, whatever expenses involved in returning their money are his responsibility. Not the responsibility of the people he owes, or Striderman's responsibility either -- Kasper's responsibility.

How about returning the full amounts you owe, Kasper?
 
Originally posted by Cougar Allen
Kasper hasn't made good on his promise, or on his obligation. He promised to return these people's money; it is his obligation to return their money. Any postage, bank fees, whatever expenses involved in returning their money are his responsibility. Not the responsibility of the people he owes, or Striderman's responsibility either -- Kasper's responsibility.

How about returning the full amounts you owe, Kasper?
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Wow, in 4 lines you said what took me 3 posts and 2 retractions to still not get right!!!:cool:
 
Hey Rob,
Originally posted by Bobby B

Wow, in 4 lines you said what took me 3 posts and 2 retractions to still not get right!!!:cool:
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That's why Cougar has 4290 posts and the deified title of "Super Mod." [Coug, we love you, man!] :)

I also echo Cougar: Kasper, you still owe some money here! :grumpy:
 
Kasper, you made the right start, now finish what you started and return all the money you owe to the people that are rightly owed. If you don't, this is still going to leave a very bad taste in everyones mouth. You should also be refunding the money everyone is out for their shipping costs in sending you the knives in the first place. The folks that traded with you should not be out one red cent because of what you have done.
 
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