Educate me on Strider folders

[shinyedges]

Come on now! He did almost a year here in the states....

I know, a whopping 11 months total before he got canned for being a excrement bag. Airborne ranger? Yea right.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Nobody that I've seen in this thread truly made excuses for him.. they simply didn't blindly follow someone else's experiences or opinions and adopt them as their own.

Wut? Are we reading the same thread, or does one of us badly misunderstand what an excuse is. "It was 10 years ago!" is an excuse, "People can change!" is an excuse, "He's done so much charity for military families!" is an excuse, "He seems like a standup guy!" is an excuse. Hell, "I wasn't PERSONALLY there!" is absolutely an excuse.

 

[Officer's Match]

Again, I'm glad I don't like the knives themselves, as I'd be mad at myself if I supported that kind of person in any way whatsoever.

 

[Reignman]

Wut? Are we reading the same thread, or does one of us badly misunderstand what an excuse is. "It was 10 years ago!" is an excuse, "People can change!" is an excuse, "He's done so much charity for military families!" is an excuse, "He seems like a standup guy!" is an excuse. Hell, "I wasn't PERSONALLY there!" is absolutely an excuse.

I suppose we do have different opinions of what an excuse is. I'm quite certain your home is made of glass too right? I guess I grade on a curve in the sense of how people act/walk/talk etc. People can change isn't an excuse, it's an expression indicating over time, individuals actions, mindsets and feelings ultimately adapt and become reinvented, hardly an excuse. It was ten years ago is a reflection of the amount of time when the alleged incidents occurred. He's done so much for charity is an expressive statement indicating this man hasn't rested on his morals since then. etc etc... Chill glass house.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

I suppose we do have different opinions of what an excuse is. I'm quite certain your home is made of glass too right? I guess I grade on a curve in the sense of how people act/walk/talk etc. People can change isn't an excuse, it's an expression indicating over time, individuals actions, mindsets and feelings ultimately adapt and become reinvented, hardly an excuse. It was ten years ago is a reflection of the amount of time when the alleged incidents occurred. He's done so much for charity is an expressive statement indicating this man hasn't rested on his morals since then. etc etc... Chill glass house.

Seriously, learn to English. If I say, "I find X behavior unpalatable so I won't buy Y product," and you respond with, "I also find X behavior unpalatable, but it was 10 years ago so I will buy X product," you are using the length of time to excuse the unpalatable behavior. This isn't opinion, this is how language works. Opinion comes into play when we discuss whether or not the excuses are valid, but to claim they aren't excuses, well, you're entitled to your opinion, but not to your own facts and you're simply wrong. Sorry.

 

[Quiet]

Great post. This is what I got from everything I have read on here,USN,and some other sites.also heard on YouTube and straight from some collectors who know and deal with Mick on a regular bases.




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Know what we need? More pictures of toddlers carrying around fixed blades. :thumbup:

 

[Quiet]

I truly believe that Spark himself was the very epitome of someone who was, originally, 'just interested in the knives, thankyouverymuch' position on the Strider Knives vs Mick Burger argument. Spark allowed Strider a space on this very Forum because of the knives, not the man behind them. And what happened there? Mick took a giant curl on Kevin and let his deluded arrogance run rampant--the man became more important than the knives. Well, shots fired, and Spark shot back and utterly destroyed Mick's bullshine with EVIDENCE.

If Mick has ever apologised to Kevin, I have never heard of it. This is the very least of what he is owing to the knife community at large before I would even consider supporting Strider Knives.

YMMV

-Brett

Yes to all of this.

 

[craytab]

I truly believe that Spark himself was the very epitome of someone who was, originally, 'just interested in the knives, thankyouverymuch' position on the Strider Knives vs Mick Burger argument. Spark allowed Strider a space on this very Forum because of the knives, not the man behind them. And what happened there? Mick took a giant curl on Kevin and let his deluded arrogance run rampant--the man became more important than the knives. Well, shots fired, and Spark shot back and utterly destroyed Mick's bullshine with EVIDENCE.

If Mick has ever apologised to Kevin, I have never heard of it. This is the very least of what he is owing to the knife community at large before I would even consider supporting Strider Knives.

YMMV

-Brett

Don't know how I missed this post but it is true. You can go back more than a decade and read the threads. Burger took his stories too far and got caught. He has never recanted them except when forced in a lawsuit. He is a leech on the knife community. A stolen valor, lying, criminal leech. If folks can get past all that and like his knives, go for it, buy them up. But don't come here and expect us to ignore what absolute trash this man has served to everyone in the knife community and the military community and to society.

 

[Lapedog]

To those of you saying Mick got caught and did his time; yes he did, for car theft. Infact the car theft doesnt upset me, though the way he pulled it off was idiotic. What bothers me is the fact he built his company on stolen valour, that's not gangster, very not gangster.

 

[GermanyChris]

To those of you saying Mick got caught and did his time; yes he did, for car theft. Infact the car theft doesnt upset me, though the way he pulled it off was idiotic. What bothers me is the fact he built his company on stolen valour, that's not gangster, very not gangster.

He would neither know what a gangster is nor a hard man..he's just the gooey leftovers of actual men.

Since these men http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/ were the first to raise doubt maybe he should go hat in hand to these actual men..not AR15.com, not bladeforums.com, not http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=62317 the actual people he offended these are real men. If he'd like to do it in real life he can PM me and I'll give his connect him with real active duty special warfare types and he can apologize to them. Since he see's himself as a billy bada$$ he can come and just hang out with me we'll get the rope and carabiners out and see if he can hang with this noting special, admitted failure, former dumb grunt.

 

[Reignman]

Seriously, learn to English. If I say, "I find X behavior unpalatable so I won't buy Y product," and you respond with, "I also find X behavior unpalatable, but it was 10 years ago so I will buy X product," you are using the length of time to excuse the unpalatable behavior. This isn't opinion, this is how language works. Opinion comes into play when we discuss whether or not the excuses are valid, but to claim they aren't excuses, well, you're entitled to your opinion, but not to your own facts and you're simply wrong. Sorry.

LMFAO your pseudo intellectual witticism is astounding. Please, hand me some more wisdom oh omniscient one.

Learn to English... good one. I suppose lacking in taste is quite befitting sir.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

LMFAO your pseudo intellectual witticism is astounding. Please, hand me some more wisdom oh omniscient one.

Learn to English... good one. I suppose lacking in taste is quite befitting sir.

Again, I'm sorry, but facts remain facts regardless of your feelings about them. Personal attacks will do nothing to change that.

 

[JR88FAN]

I suppose we do have different opinions of what an excuse is. I'm quite certain your home is made of glass too right? I guess I grade on a curve in the sense of how people act/walk/talk etc. People can change isn't an excuse, it's an expression indicating over time, individuals actions, mindsets and feelings ultimately adapt and become reinvented, hardly an excuse. It was ten years ago is a reflection of the amount of time when the alleged incidents occurred. He's done so much for charity is an expressive statement indicating this man hasn't rested on his morals since then. etc etc... Chill glass house.

Wasting your time man......

But it's nice to see that you can see what this all is.

The easy thing to do is to hate someone forever based on things you don't really understand, mistakes and debts that have been paid.
The hard thing to do is to look in the mirror and realize you would hope that nobody would treat you like that and try to grow as a human being from there.

 

[Reignman]

Again, I'm sorry, but facts remain facts regardless of your feelings about them. Personal attacks will do nothing to change that.

Personal attacks such as questioning someones comprehension of the English language? Perhaps if you knew how to English so to speak you'd understand facts must be proven, not romanticized. Good day to you sir.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Wasting your time man......

But it's nice to see that you can see what this all is.

The easy thing to do is to hate someone forever based on things you don't really understand, mistakes and debts that have been paid.
The hard thing to do is to look in the mirror and realize you would hope that nobody would treat you like that and try to grow as a human being from there.

Wait, hope that no one would refuse to buy my products because of my past actions? Because, yet again, that's what we're discussing, not drawing and quartering the man.

 

[Reignman]

Wasting your time man......

But it's nice to see that you can see what this all is.

The easy thing to do is to hate someone forever based on things you don't really understand, mistakes and debts that have been paid.
The hard thing to do is to look in the mirror and realize you would hope that nobody would treat you like that and try to grow as a human being from there.

Yes sir, spinning my wheels on the pavement but hey, it is what it is. I'm sure 99% of peoples cupboards aren't nearly as righteous as they believe.

 

[Cjwknives]

Wasting your .
The hard thing to do is to look in the mirror and realize you would hope that nobody would treat you like that and try to grow as a human being from there.

Exactly, well said.


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[Insipid Moniker]

Personal attacks such as questioning someones comprehension of the English language? Perhaps if you knew how to English so to speak you'd understand facts must be proven, not romanticized. Good day to you sir.

It's not a personal attack when you post something that demonstrates your lack of language comprehension. I do apologize for coming off quite so bluntly, but words have definitions. To claim that definition is a matter of opinion is factually incorrect.

 

[Lapedog]

Why do Strider forums always devolve into this. I have lurked on this forum for years and always seem to see them play out this way.

Take a step back, we all love knives, we probably have more in common when it comes to interests than most. Let's all be friends and respect our right to purchase or not these blades. Realize that just because someone does buy them does not mean they are excusing stolen valour. Dr. Ferdinand Porsche invented the gas chamber but I don't think everyone who buys one of his cars supports genocide. (Even if I would never drive one. )

 

[Reignman]

It's not a personal attack when you post something that demonstrates your lack of language comprehension. I do apologize for coming off quite so bluntly, but words have definitions. To claim that definition is a matter of opinion is factually incorrect.

You would then in turn have to have indisputable evidence of the aforementioned allegations as facts. Comprehensively speaking, I am not short sighted enough to believe everything I read when there is a large amount of evidence in the form of expenditures by the U.S. Goverment to believe someone Stole Valor as blatantly and inexcusably as Mick Strider did. You're speaking about a government that at the time of the "NSN" Striders would have publicly desecrated someone doing so.

FACT is, he was contracted to make knives by a Government that at the time did NOT take those kinds of actions lightly.
FACT is I do not KNOW his true background, nor do you.
FACT is just about EVERY company has a dark side... Even your favored Emerson claims its the "#1 Hard use knives in the world."... How presumptuous... I'd say United Cutlery, Frost, someone producing HUNDREDS of Thousands are used far more.

You're obviously not stupid, you're not ignorant so lets speak frankly as men; You don't know for certain because you weren't there. If I had a dollar for every time something was embellished, misspoken and then grew another meaning in life I'd literally be lighting hundred dollar bills on fire to see if farts are flammable after drinking 1972 Napa Cabernet's. IF Mick did in fact act as outlandishly as he did yet made many acts in the direction of remission of sin, is he really that bad a guy? The man served in the military, he made mistakes and then founded one of the most successful knife companies out there, THOSE are facts. Nobody is saying he's admirable... we're saying we like his knives enough to not care because frankly, its hear say anyway you slice it. I'm not discrediting Spark in any way, but he's presenting information that wasn't entirely collected by him... There were plenty of opportunities for conjecture in those posts.