Educate me on Strider folders

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Listen up everyone: This is now shinyedges thread. Please obey his rules or be stoned to death.

Discussion may only be about hating strider knives.

Thank you.
 
On that note, while I may not like Mick burger (obviously) I don't hate any of the guys that do. This is a hobby and we get pretty heated sometimes but I always come back to the fact we all share the same interest. Good day all.
 
Peter Hartwig said:
If you want me to say the words I will as best I can- I don't care enough to give up my SnG. I see no reason I should pay any penalty for something the maker did prior to my ever purchasing one. I was aware of the situation with the owner and was not swindled in any way(happened prior to my 1st purchase). I like the knife. Am I being a hypocritical-most likely yes. I believe in honor and truth, But I also believe in second chances and putting ones life back together. Alternative is I pay for the person with my taxes the rest of their life.
I buy my knives on the exchange so Strider Knives has not pulled in a lot of money from me. Many do the same. This is not a decision to not give them money, just how I do it.
They reorganized awhile back and Mick Strider nor Duane are a part of daily activity there. He is now MSC( Duane also has his own co.), and claims to make his living from that, not Strider knives. I am not his accountant nor know all the facts of the restructure-so that is all I can say or provide on the re-structure.
Those that choose not to support Strider Knives in any way, I understand your position and it is your choice to make.
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I don't agree but very well said. Some people should take note of how you handled the topic. It would seem to me this has run its course as some members are discussing others and making multiple WTB posts outside of the exchange or just plain joking around. There are places for that and heated controversial topic threads aren't one of them.
 
sharp_edge said:
First please do not take this in any negative way. I am just honestly seeking answers from folks who are knowledgeable of Strider folding knives as I have zero experience with the brand. Going with the prices at the Exchange, it looks to me Strider is in the same league as RHK and CRK. Now that I have just started with the latter two, what different things/features shall I expect from Strider?

Is the handle of Strider ergo? I mean Striders look to me very unbalanced with the unproportionally big butt of scales.

Also, I noticed many Striders have been up for sale at the Exchange. Is that just something typical of the Christmas time of the year?
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Of the two you mentioned(CRK & RHK) I only have experience with CRK so my comparison will be between that and Strider.
Let me start off by saying that in my experience and IMO Strider folders are not in the same league as CRK where quality, f&f and attention to detail are concerned. They may cost as much or even more than the plain Sebenza and Inkosis but I don't personally feel that price is justified for what you get. Now the MSC side of the house is a different kettle of fish as those are much more refined. Still a bit overpriced IMO but definitely better quality than the production side.
As a user the SnG and the SMF and even the MSC PT are solid performers in my experience. Edge holding is among some of the best I've dealt with in a folder as well as the Strider fixed blades I own and definitely outlasts the Sebenza as well as my Spyderco knives and my Battle Horse Knives custom in CPM 154(although this one held its own quite well). The edge can be a bit thick on Striders but they still perform quit well. I base my experience on cutting down cardboard, processing some wood, clearing weeds and even breaking down some drywall.
In hand the Striders are comfortable to me. I have large hands and have to say that I appreciate how the Strider handles fill my hand. Even the MSC PT surprised me by how much it fills the hand when open.
I didn't experience any of the issues with the lock I've seen mentioned but I am more aware of the possibility of lock issue and that does give me pause for thought. If I were to ever consider buying another I'd need hands on before making the purchase to ensure I don't get a bad one. That being said I'd do the same for most liner lock/frame lock folders these days, esp Strider and Emerson.
If I can recommend anything at all it would bot get your hands on a few different models and really look them over before dropping that kind of money.
I don't know if I was able to provide any useful information but I do hope I was able to help.
 
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shinyedges said:
As far as join dates, typically it is irrelevant. But you said to me "pick a side and stick with it" so I figured I'd mention I've been consistent on what "side" I chose for years. And guys who's been here and remember all the times this topic comes up, would know that. In anycase, I was a little snarky, no harm meant brother.
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Like I said, I must have misinterpreted your post and I'll be the first to say that it's easy to do. Happens all the time man. No hard feelings here and I was probably a little snarky myself.

I would be interested in hearing the true build qualities of knives like these because if the quality of these knives isn't there, then where is the basis to pay the money they go for other than the lies and BS being what people are buying into (unless they just want something "tactical" looking and don't care about anything else). In the day and age of internet research however, I don't know of really anyone that doesn't check reviews or search YouTube when checking out a new product. It'd be hard not to hear about what Burger did.
 
Herlock said:
Hi. I don’t own any Strider knife at the moment but I like their designs and, “on papers” and from what I have read and learned, they look to me solid cutting tools. Not slicers, that’s for sure, but sound and capable folders, that I would happily use, at least for my own type of outdoor activities. I can consider buying one sooner or later, for the moment it’s just their price tag which puts me on hold.

As far as the whole “Strider controversy”, I also have read the many threads here on BF and in the web and they have been interesting and entertaining reading during many evenings spent on business trips. Once I have finished all my reading on the subject, well, the whole thing just put a bitter smile on my face. Very likely it’s a “cultural” issue I face here but, honestly speaking, it looks to me Mr. Burger is guilty of venial sins rather than mortal ones, like many here seems to claim.

What we have here, really? It seems to me we have a youngster enrolling for the Army with the best hopes and intentions who, along the way, realizes that for one reason or another (physical, mental breakdown or an overall lack of stamina or simply mind-set fit) the soldier life it’s not fit for him. He likely has a quarrel with an outrank and gets discharged (honourably or dishonourably I haven’t understood yet and doesn’t matter so much, at the end of the day). He’s out on the streets, with his broken luck and broken dreams, probably also depressed for the incessant pain in the back (if that’s true). He probably starts drinking heavily, etc. and he gets involved with these so called “heavy hitters”, more likely some amateur, incapable, casually thrown together gang of crooks, devoted to petty crimes activities. He gets busted during an attempt to highjack a car and ends up in jail. He does his time while learning (or improving) his skills as metal worker and finds out he is able and he likes to make knives. He straighten himself up, finds that’s something he might like to do for a living and, eventually, gets released from prison. So he tries his way to make ends meet in knife making business and finds out he can be successful, even very successful. What he does next, while establishing himself as a capable knife maker and building up his business network, is he tries to sugar-coat his past, pretending to live the life he wished to have lived; re-inventing he has been a bad-a$$ SOF operator and all the surrounding bull$!it. Surely it’s a sign of immaturity, a grown up man unable to cope and accept what he really is and what he has done. Surely he told lies but his lies are, in my opinion, white lies. I don’t think he really consciously started to tell lies to “sell” his knives or getting an economical advantage. I think he started to tell lies to embellish his past, a past which has taken a course he didn’t like, couldn’t accept fully and he’s probably still ashamed of. Also, looks to me, his lies haven’t killed anyone. He looks to me like a 45 yrs. old teen-ager, if you know what I mean. But that’s not very different behaviour/mind-set compared to those of his customers who buy his knives because they’re “high-speed, low-drag” stuff and “hard-core tools for hard-core operators”, in my opinion. It’s not that these people has been “deceived”, rather they have been given something they were looking for nevertheless. No one has been hurt really. Personally, I would never buy a knife, a gun or a tool specifically designed for an operator/SOF, etc. because it will perform terribly in my hands, having to face very different tasks or simply because, as a week-end hiker, I wouldn’t be able to exploit its potential. My actual feelings for Mr. Burger is Christian compassion, for his manifest vulnerability which he, still today, tries to hide behind “hard-core” look and behaviours. Just like a teen-ager. Hope he will find peace with this sooner or later.

As far as “stolen valour”, in spite of the mainstream and legal meaning of this, my definition is rather far from this. Stolen valour, for me, is when one hides while his brothers are charging and gets a medal eventually, being the only one survivor; stolen valour is when one let others to die just to cover his retreat and act as a war hero afterwards or putting others’ necks on the line and take all the benefits/merits afterwards. To childishly embellish an uncomfortable past, pretending one has been a great soldier well, for me it’s childish but doesn’t really hurt all the real valorous soldiers. On the contrary, wishing he has been one of those, Mr. Burger basically recognizes and “envy” their bright example, high standard and sacrifice. Telling lies only hurts oneself and he’s been hit quite hard. I also think that Mr. Burger, along these years has at least tried to amend these venial sins and his lies, not so much with grandstanding declarations, public requests of forgiveness, or sprinkling ashes on his head but rather with real acts, like charity, donations, etc. to those he still values and admires.

Today, calling him names and dispensing offensive epithets can probably make some feel more righteous and better stand-up people but, in reality, looks to me more like a cruel turkey shoot. I have never been in jail and I served in the Italian Army (just two years as ROTC and haven’t fought any war) but I recognize I have been lucky for a good 50%. I was lucky to have a good, attentive and supporting family, good friends, good schools, healthy environment, etc. Nevertheless I have seen several of my acquaintances when I was young taking bad turns in life and ending up destroyed by drugs or bad companies. A few died, some went to jail, some straighten up and moved on, some not. Mr. Burger today, seems to me from what I read and know, is running a legit business, employs co-workers in a law abiding way, pays taxes, etc. In one way, you can consider this a success of your prison system which, in this case at least, managed to recoup a felon in a rather brilliant way. Latins had a say: “Errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum”. Doesn’t look to me Mr. Burger is persevering in this.

Take care.
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Great post. This is what I got from everything I have read on here,USN,and some other sites.also heard on YouTube and straight from some collectors who know and deal with Mick on a regular bases.




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Jsega51 said:
Like I said, I must have misinterpreted your post and I'll be the first to say that it's easy to do. Happens all the time man. No hard feelings here and I was probably a little snarky myself.

I would be interested in hearing the true build qualities of knives like these because if the quality of these knives isn't there, then where is the basis to pay the money they go for other than the lies and BS being what people are buying into (unless they just want something "tactical" looking and don't care about anything else). In the day and age of internet research however, I don't know of really anyone that doesn't check reviews or search YouTube when checking out a new product. It'd be hard not to hear about what Burger did.
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As far as build quality of striders, I have no first hand experience with them because of all the reasons discussed. But from what I gather, they had lock rock issues for awhile and demanded a high price.

Many guys complained, I think they have addressed the lock rock, but again I wouldn't know. It's a bummer Mick is a scum bucket, because I would try one out if he wasn't.

I don't think the vast majority of people research the products they buy. We are the exception I think.
 
shinyedges said:
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Honorable discharge the same as a dishonorable? You can't be serious. Saying it doesn't matter is absolutely clueless. There is so much wrong in your post I won't address it all.
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Anyone who says something you don't like you name call and go on the offensive.
People are just discussing no need to get so mad about everything .


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Cjwknives said:
Anyone who says something you don't like you name call and go on the offensive.
People are just discussing no need to get so mad about everything .


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Are you kidding, the fact you agree with "no difference between honorable and dishonorable discharge" is laughable. Name call that. What a joke.

And you quote him and say "great post"... Yea ok.
 
shinyedges said:
Are you kidding, the fact you agree with "no difference between honorable and dishonorable discharge" is laughable. Name call that. What a joke.

And you quote him and say "great post"... Yea ok.
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It's funny you find one thing the guy said take it out of context and then blow it up. Now you are trying to do it with me.
He was saying he could not find out if Mick was honorably or Dis-honorably discharged but at the end of the day it does not matter for Mick because either way it lead him down a wrong path. It's sad when you try and twists people's words to help your argument.
Oh and BTW I do believe it matters if someone was Dis-honorably discharged if you give an oath to serve your country and break it then you deserve all the consequences that comes with doing that.



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I read bad things for years about Strider knives and the man as,well. Didn't buy a Strider because of reported fit and finish, lock up issues. Then, I started reading the knives were vastly improved and fit/finish, lock up were much better. So, I had to try and SmF just to satisfy my curiosity. It's a very tight knife, no blade play and it locks up extremely tightly. Light weight for it's size, lock into your hand very securely. I don't debate about Mickey Burger, because I only want one of his knives, I don't care that they made one knives profit off me. Tried it out and yes, the knife is solid, sharp, excellent fit and finish. Very much comparable to my Hinderers. I also am a bit of a sucker for that two peice handle design, only other knives I own with it are Benchmades.
 
Your opinion is noted, what I think is sad is your defense of Mick burger because you like his knives.

See how opinions work. So sad.

Cjwknives said:
It's funny you find one thing the guy said take it out of context and then blow it up. Now you are trying to do it with me.
He was saying he could not find out if Mick was honorably or Dis-honorably discharged but at the end of the day it does not matter for Mick because either way it lead him down a wrong path. It's sad when you try and twists people's words to help your argument.
Oh and BTW I do believe it matters if someone was Dis-honorably discharged if you give an oath to serve your country and break it then you deserve all the consequences that comes with doing that.



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All hanging with "hard-hitters" aside (hitting the pipe hard to come up with some of his nonsense I would imagine), Strider makes some knives I would like to try. Unfortunately due to lock rock issues I have been hesitant to order one as I wanted to handle it at my local store before buying. Unfortunately as soon as they get one in and I save money to buy it, I come to find it just sold out. :mad:

Bottom line is in Metal Gear Solid 3 Big Boss's cqc knife was a Strider model HT-S and thus one day it is inevitable I must own said knife one day.
 
Lock geometry was changed about 5 or 6 years ago, from a ski ramp type to a less angled, blade tang base. The lock rock came from the lock wearing in and hitting the angled base. Now they're made completely different and lock up extremely tightly.
 
shinyedges said:
Your opinion is noted, what I think is sad is your defense of Mick burger because you like his knives.

See how opinions work. So sad.
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Sorry you think that but that's the furthest thing from it. I am not gonna sit on my moral high horse and judge people for something they did over 10 years ago. Doesn't mean I am gonna forget but he did his time. All I can look at is who the man is now.
Anyways this is redundant.
Hope you have a good day and Godbless.


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Cjwknives said:
Sorry you think that but that's the furthest thing from it. I am not gonna sit on my moral high horse and judge people for something they did over 10 years ago. Doesn't mean I am gonna forget but he did his time. All I can look at is who the man is now.
Anyways this is redundant.
Hope you have a good day and Godbless.


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Call it what you want.

You have a good as well.
 
shinyedges said:
As far as build quality of striders, I have no first hand experience with them because of all the reasons discussed. But from what I gather, they had lock rock issues for awhile a high price.

Many guys complained, I think they have addressed the lock rock, but again I wouldn't know. It's a bummer Mick is a scum bucket, because I would try one out if he wasn't.

I don't think the vast majority of people research the products they buy. We are the exception I think.
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Why in the hell do you keep opening your mouth when you have no physical experience with Mcburger knives and your knowledge is only based on what you've read. I mean I'm with you in not liking them but my god, just shut the hell up.
 
knife chop said:
Why in the hell do you keep opening your mouth when you have no physical experience with Mcburger knives and your knowledge is only based on what you've read. I mean I'm with you in not liking them but my god, just shut the hell up.
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I don't think it takes any physical experience with a knife to judge the character of its maker. I also have no "physical" experience with Striders...because I would not buy one regardless of the build quality. Strider's actions are a deal breaker. I don't care if he is making "Sebenza quality."
 
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