Educate me on Strider folders

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I really like the Strider designs--had an SNG for a while--but felt terrible about supporting the man behind the company... sold the knife, chose an alternative I was comfortable with... I can't do much about what other people are/ do--but I can take responsibility for myself and value others/things as I see fit. I still think the SNG and SMF are pretty cool.
 
BladeScout said:
No reason to get personal with forum members in this thread just because their opinion differ from yours.

On the other hand you cant possibly be referring to anybody in this thread.

I mean, the Burger person has been called a scumbag but nobody implied, that 'there is no possible way he could have changed.'

But pls direct us to where anybody has stated, that its not possible for a human being to change?

No? I thought so.

Weak sauce indeed.

Nice second evasion maneuver.

Think, THEN post.

Im out of this thread.
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I answered to everything you posted but you just didn't like what I had to say.
But you are out of this thread so Bye.[emoji106][emoji113]



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Huh. As a proud marine, I avoided Strider knives for a long time based on the stolen valor stuff. I then got a SnG in a trade here. I now have 2 SMFs and 2 SnGs. The SnG is one of my favorite knives (and I have hundreds of high end knives). I guess I don't really care if the original founder was a bit of a douche...The company has done a lot to repair the damage, probably more than enough. So, with these knives, you have to hold one to get it. I used to hate the look of that fat ass. But holy smokes - they feel great in your hand, especially the SnG and they hold an edge and cut everything in their way. As a rabid knife collector, I often ask myself which folder would be the one I'd keep if I could only keep one and the SnG is always in the running (along with a few Socoms, Scarabs and my Microtech exodus!). BTW, I'm a big guy so I thought I'd like the SMF more, but the SnG is freaking perfect.Striders.jpg
 
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SmedleyButler said:
Huh. As a proud marine, I avoided Strider knives for a long time based on the stolen valor stuff. I then got a SnG in a trade here. I now have 2 SMFs and 2 SnGs. The SnG is one of my favorite knives (and I have hundreds of high end knives). I guess I don't really care if the original founder was a bit of a douche...The company has done a lot to repair the damage, probably more than enough. So, with these knives, you have to hold one to get it. I used to hate the look of that fat ass. But holy smokes - they feel great in your hand, especially the SnG and they hold an edge and cut everything in their way. As a rabid knife collector, I often ask myself which folder would be the one I'd keep if I could only keep one and the SnG is always in the running (along with a few Socoms, Scarabs and my Microtech exodus!). BTW, I'm a big guy so I thought I'd like the SMF more, but the SnG is freaking perfect.
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Amen brotha! :cool:
 
Insipid Moniker said:
How so? He did something scummy. If he's expressed any remorse I certainly haven't seen or heard about it. In my book that pretty much makes him a scumbag. Using the logic that he COULD have changed (not that he has, as NO evidence of that has been shown) to excuse his scummyness? I disagree in the strongest possible terms with that weak sauce.

As a compromise I'll say this, all available evidence point to Mick Burger being a scumbag.
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Well I have heard and read different but in the end it was not directly from Mick so I am just going to leave it at that. I have personally messaged and talked too Mick and he seemed like a standup guy... that doesn't mean he is and it doesn't mean he isn't.


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kniferbro said:
At least you're a man of principle
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Eh. Everyone has their hypocrisies. It's one of the main reasons that I'm perfectly happy to call Burger a scumbag and refuse to support him, but I generally try to avoid browbeating those that buy his knives. I just can't bring myself to give the leaps in logic CJWs argument relies on a pass. ;)
 
BladeScout said:
LOL, wot?

A company which didnt advertise wouldnt be moving products. They most certainly 'toot their own horn' - in fact, thats exactly how this stolen valor/felon debacle started in the first place.

If Burger hadnt been blaring all that lies/'carp' about his MIL service in order to sell knives and got the train rolling, most likely we wouldnt be having this back and forth.
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Maybe so. I didn't get that.
 
Cjwknives said:
Hey and I am all for that. That's the best way. Don't buy his products. But to call the guy a scumbag for something he did over 10 years ago and think there is no possible way he could have changed. Is pretty narrow minded.
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And what about the 10 years previous to that when he built his business on lies? That happened and he still benefits from it. Hasn't admitted to it and won't apologize for it. Even if he did apologize he still used lies and deceit to compete on an unfair level hurting other legit makers. To be forgiven you have to apologize, show remorse, and change. He has done none of those.

Cjwknives said:
Well I have heard and read different but in the end it was not directly from Mick so I am just going to leave it at that. I have personally messaged and talked too Mick and he seemed like a standup guy... that doesn't mean he is and it doesn't mean he isn't.
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Seeming like a nice guy in a bref conversation against a mountain of evidence? Hmm......


kniferbro said:
Honestly he probably is.

Mick Burger is a scumbag 100 times isn't that diverse of a curriculum! :D :D :D
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I guess you missed the dissertation posted here no less than 3 times that was compiled by the owner. Might want to go take a peak at all that evidence. It is that which makes him a scumbag, not just people saying he is. Facts and evidence work better in discussions like this, much better than one line zingers :thumbup:
 
IMHO, Strider knives are oddly designed and have terrible ergonomics, combined with poor cutting blade geometry and spotty lock performance. Which is convenient to me, since knowing a bit about their founder, I would hate to be tempted by one. I've checked them out enough to know I have much more interest in and respect for Medford knives than Striders.
 
craytab said:
And what about the 10 years previous to that when he built his business on lies? That happened and he still benefits from it. Hasn't admitted to it and won't apologize for it. Even if he did apologize he still used lies and deceit to compete on an unfair level hurting other legit makers. To be forgiven you have to apologize, show remorse, and change. He has done none of those.



Seeming like a nice guy in a bref conversation against a mountain of evidence? Hmm......




I guess you missed the dissertation posted here no less than 3 times that was compiled by the owner. Might want to go take a peak at all that evidence. It is that which makes him a scumbag, not just people saying he is. Facts and evidence work better in discussions like this, much better than one line zingers :thumbup:
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I read it (Spark's posts + some of the 70+ pages after) when you posted it yesterday. I also could give 2 shoots if someone wants to buy Striders or if they want to picket outside their HQ because of the stolen valor. I personally do not own any Striders.

You assume too much.

Thanks for confirming that they did in fact, zing! :D:D:D:D:D

...Just for clarification though, is Mick Strider a scumbag?
 
Insipid Moniker said:
A. To my knowledge he's essentially never fully acknowledged or apologized for what he did. In my mind that's a big strike against the "stupid mistake" argument. B. Even if he did fully acknowledge and apologize for what he did, that certainly doesn't create any obligation to forgive him for it. C. Even if everyone DID forgive him for it, choosing not to support his company based on his previous choices is still a totally fair and rational decision.

In short, I don't support Strider, but I don't feel nearly as passionately about it as many (including many veterans I know), so I don't really have an issue with others buying his products. That said, I find attempts to make him into the victim when he brought these consequences entirely upon himself to be weak sauce indeed.
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This 100%. Mick Burger ("Strider sounds so cool, let me tell people that's my name") sold his knives on the idea that he was a super SPEC SWATSEAL Special forces operator, and thus buying his knives means you're a SPEC SWAT Delta Ranger Force pistolero commando cool also. That scumsack hasn't once apologized, and is still selling knives based on the idea that his knives are designed by a super elite operator. People still buy his knives today with that belief. Not to mention, his knives are supremely ugly, in my opinion. My Emersons are in another league as far as ergos go over what Burger knives feature, all day long. Not even on the same planet. "Hmmmm...a knife that feels like slipping on a silk glove...or a triangle shaped brick?"
 
Quiet said:
This 100%. Mick Burger ("Strider sounds so cool, let me tell people that's my name") sold his knives on the idea that he was a super SPEC SWATSEAL Special forces operator, and thus buying his knives means you're a SPEC SWAT Delta Ranger Force pistolero commando cool also. That scumsack hasn't once apologized, and is still selling knives based on the idea that his knives are designed by a super elite operator. People still buy his knives today with that belief. Not to mention, his knives are supremely ugly, in my opinion. My Emersons are in another league as far as ergos go over what Burger knives feature, all day long. Not even on the same planet. "Hmmmm...a knife that feels like slipping on a silk glove...or a triangle shaped brick?"
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Pistolero :D lol
 
symphonyincminor said:
Does anyone else find it kinda.... suspicious.... that a convicted felon, who changed his last name, is able to attain an NSN number from the government for his knives?

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I'm assuming it's some of the Marines under the MARSOC umbrella that are issued these SMF's. What are they supposed to do...Throw them in the trash?

I think this whole topic is a bit out of perspective.:)
 
Cjwknives said:
Hey and I am all for that. That's the best way. Don't buy his products. But to call the guy a scumbag for something he did over 10 years ago and think there is no possible way he could have changed. Is pretty narrow minded.


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People continue to buy into the idea that they're buying some elite super high speed low drag operator knife, designed by a super Delta black beret SEAL ranger, to the tune of a couple million in revenue a year, so why would he apologize?

Oh, because that's something an individual who used to be a scumbag, but is now an upright moral person would do. Instead, he's doing what a scumbag would do: keep on keeping on, because he has plenty of apologists out there buying his knives and talking him up to new people who don't know any better.

Whelp, here on Bladeforums, we help people out with that whole "don't know any better" part. :)
 
kniferbro said:
I read it (Spark's posts + some of the 70+ pages after) when you posted it yesterday. I also could give 2 shoots if someone wants to buy Striders or if they want to picket outside their HQ because of the stolen valor. I personally do not own any Striders.

You assume too much.

Thanks for confirming that they did in fact, zing! :D:D:D:D:D

...Just for clarification though, is Mick Strider a scumbag?
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You portrayed this discussion as simple as folks just say he is a scumbag. I don't know why someone would want portray themselves as if the can't follow a simple discussion with lots of evidence but I am glad to here you fixed that by actually reading the evidence :thumbup:
 
craytab said:
You portrayed this discussion as simple as folks just say he is a scumbag. I don't know why someone would want portray themselves as if the can't follow a simple discussion with lots of evidence but I am glad to hear* you fixed that by actually reading the evidence :thumbup:
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That was your interpretation not mine. I responded to another post in jest. And I didn't "fix" anything, I had read the post before you so boldly told me that I hadn't.
 
skwurll said:
I'm assuming it's some of the Marines under the MARSOC umbrella that are issued these SMF's. What are they supposed to do...Throw them in the trash?

I think this whole topic is a bit out of perspective.:)
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Wonder why the military still orders his knives? The knives must just be that good that even the people he stole valor from can forgive and place wholesale orders.
 
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