So. "Stolen valor" OK. "China/cheap labor/thieves" not OK. Got ya. Guess one has to pick their battles!
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So. "Stolen valor" OK. "China/cheap labor/thieves" not OK. Got ya. Guess one has to pick their battles!
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Is what the guy did unforgivable? He made some stupid mistakes more then ten years ago. It seems like the ones he should be wanting forgiveness from is the guys he served with and who did go over and fight. And from what I have read it sounds like some of the guys he served with have. I also read him and Duane Dwyer do a ton of charitable things for LEO's and the Military.
I don't think what he did was right but I understand people do stupid things. If someone held a microscope under some of your guy's life's I am sure they could find some pretty scummy things you did. Would you want people holding that against you for the rest of your life?
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I don't think what he did was right but I understand people do stupid things. If someone held a microscope under some of your guy's life's I am sure they could find some pretty scummy things you did. Would you want people holding that against you for the rest of your life?
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He continues to profit from the lies that he built his company on. He never went to Somalia and damn sure isn't an "operator". What he is though, is a scumbag for pretending to be something he wasn't and making money off it.
Doesn't bug you? It does bug many of us though.
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Go to the nearest VA Hospital and tell any Vet Micks story .
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/453852-Mick-Strider-has-some-explaining-to-do
Now back to "" Its all about the knife"" His name goes with it... So that is part of the knife.
As of yesterday I never knew.. Now I now..
Strider can go pound sand as along as he is still there...
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It is redundant to use two words to describe the same thing.
Ive never even heard about SOE Gear until you mentioned them...
I googled SOE Gear. Seems they are purveyors of something called Combat Cocks. *sigh*
It seems there are companies to cater to every segment of the population.
As for that Willis person, he comes across as a misogynist and a not entirely likeable person.
If one googles 'soe gear,' there is a link to the website of AWWBA on page one. A female SOE Gear customer post conversation in regards to the customer 'relations' of said company. I wont link to it. Willis refers to the woman in the most vile language (the F and C words are flung about) and both the written conversation from Willis to the customer and the video (where Willis slanders the women) are equally vile.
Willis records a video and slanders a customer in public in vile terms.
Tell me the company you keep and.....so on and so forth.
In the eyes of some, the person/persons behind a company IS the company.
This brings me to Burger; I would not want to buy from a person whom I found loathsome but that is just me.
Again, in regards to Burger, I must refer to the link furnished by Spark here on the forum. I advise forum members to read it - its an eye opener.
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A. To my knowledge he's essentially never fully acknowledged or apologized for what he did. In my mind that's a big strike against the "stupid mistake" argument. B. Even if he did fully acknowledge and apologize for what he did, that certainly doesn't create any obligation to forgive him for it. C. Even if everyone DID forgive him for it, choosing not to support his company based on his previous choices is still a totally fair and rational decision.
In short, I don't support Strider, but I don't feel nearly as passionately about it as many (including many veterans I know), so I don't really have an issue with others buying his products. That said, I find attempts to make him into the victim when he brought these consequences entirely upon himself to be weak sauce indeed.
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None of us are perfect, Ill give you that.
But there is a vast difference between being an average imperfect citizen on one side and on the other side another person being a compulsive liar, a stolen valor scumbag and last but most certainly not least a felon jacking a car and serving years in the pen.
I sincerely hope you recognize that distinction.
... in fact I prefer to hope, that you do.
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And many like yourself don't or didn't know. They read these threads and at least get the chance to make an informed decision. I know it happened to me. I didn't know but once I read through spark's thread thoroughly and gave it some thought I sold my 301. Loved that knife but not more than I hate what strider has done and what his knives are based on. That would be stolen valor lies.
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Also, let's review that none of us is discussing leaving Burger to die in the gutter for his sins. We're talking about not buying products from a man who runs a company with, a cursory search turned up, an estimated net revenue of 2-2.5 million per year.
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That's fine, and in general I have liked the way you have handled the matter, with a brief statement and a link, to allow others to be informed and make their own decision. There are many reasons to support or not support a maker and it's everyone's right to make that decision.
What I don't like is the derailment of every Strider thread. This is the general knife discussion forum, not the GBU. Those that want to dogpile Strider should take it there IMO. If they have something to say about the knife it belongs here. The disruption of these threads until they are closed reflects poorly on those who are posting . again IMO
And I highly doubt saying this will make one bit of difference
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Does anyone else find it kinda.... suspicious.... that a convicted felon, who changed his last name, is able to attain an NSN number from the government for his knives?
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I didn't say what he did was ok. But he is not claiming any of that now. And your right someone's past mistakes don't bug me. If they did I would be a hypocrite.
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You could always take your strider conversations to the strider forum... oh wait spark booted him. Zero sympathy for the "people derailing strider" threads issue. USN censors more, but I bet you already knew that and go there.
USN can be your strider happy place.
I would argue exactly the opposite...I think it reflects very well on a person when they take the character of who is making their knife into account. We have innumerable threads here about knives made in China, with people going on and on about how they wouldn't buy knives from them for reasons entirely unrelated to the knives' quality.
But someone feels the same way about Mick Strider lying about his military history to make money, and judges his product based on it, and all of a sudden, that is in poor form?
Doesn't make sense to me at all.
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It would be nice if people would keep the moral judgements focused on the people who run the company rather than those who choose to buy the knife though.
I don't judge someone as racist just because they buy a Dalton knife.
If you don't like Mick Burger, that cool.
But stop hating on other people by association...even though that does seem to be what 50% of the internet is for.
I don't judge someone as racist just because they buy a Dalton knife.
If you don't like Mick Burger, that cool.
But stop hating on other people by association...even though that does seem to be what 50% of the internet is for.
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People change hope you can recognize that... in fact I prefer that you do.
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I'm not going tell others what to spend their money on.
If Strider were anti-American, service member, Veteran or deemed a traitor - I would not buy these knives either. That company is quite the opposite & they don't toot their own horn. I also can't & try not to place judgement on others based on 2nd hand information - internet information no less & I don't have the desire/interest to do my own research on this topic. Too many agendas across the board, all around when $$$ is involved.
If Strider were anti-American, service member, Veteran or deemed a traitor - I would not buy these knives either. That company is quite the opposite & they don't toot their own horn. I also can't & try not to place judgement on others based on 2nd hand information - internet information no less & I don't have the desire/interest to do my own research on this topic. Too many agendas across the board, all around when $$$ is involved.
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It's the dogpiling a knife discussion thread with attacks on a person(no matter who he is) , not your dislike of Strider or not wanting to support him that I object to. Start a GBU thread and go at it. This would not be allowed by the moderators if it wasn't Strider. For some reason(suppose Spark) it is felt that this is OK.
As I said I didn't expect change-just airing my views on it.
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