Educate me on Strider folders

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sharp_edge said:
It is only because of my interest in a knife with such an abnormal handle shape yet with a price on par with CRK and RHK.

I will probably use a piece of wood to make a Strider shaped knife to see how exactly that odd handle feels.
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The handle allows for a number of grip options
 
I don't know Gaston Glock, but I'll rep his handguns. I'll wager is Samuel Colt existed in modern times he'd be a clown according to the internet gods... if someone's implying a person embellished stories and that makes their product inferior or simply less desirable that's their business... It's a USA made knife of the utmost quality.

Consider your source, there are always variables in people's stories. I'll bet half the knives Ernest Emerson made for seals to "cut bad guys throats" were actually used to cut duct tape at the barracks or sold to guys who bought into the bullshit. Is that a knock on Emerson?... no, it's an attempt to let you realize things get blown way out of proportion.

I doubt strongly Mick would have military contracts if that were the case... REGARDLESS he makes a great knife.
 
JR88FAN said:
Maybe instead of focusing on the mistakes that someone has made in their lives, perhaps you should focus on what Mick and Duane have done for the military and the families of Soldiers....report back to us please....

I will never judge by the mistakes someone has made, but rather the steps they have taken to fix those mistakes. I think we would all want that opportunity.
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Spoken like a true gentleman.
 
Reignman said:
I don't know Gaston Glock, but I'll rep his handguns. I'll wager is Samuel Colt existed in modern times he'd be a clown according to the internet gods... if someone's implying a person embellished stories and that makes their product inferior or simply less desirable that's their business... It's a USA made knife of the utmost quality.

Consider your source, there are always variables in people's stories. I'll bet half the knives Ernest Emerson made for seals to "cut bad guys throats" were actually used to cut duct tape at the barracks or sold to guys who bought into the bullshit. Is that a knock on Emerson?... no, it's an attempt to let you realize things get blown way out of proportion.

I doubt strongly Mick would have military contracts if that were the case... REGARDLESS he makes a great knife.
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Did you miss spark (owner of bladeforums) post and thread on Mick burger?

What the hell are you talking about? Lol

Get a grip, and read before posting.

I don't know what you "highly" doubt lol facts are facts.
 
This whole "aww man, my favorite knife maker is being called a scumbag, ( he is) let's rush to his defense" is pathetic.

Yea, we know you like the knives, doesn't change he founded his business on lies pretending to be an operator in Somalia.

How or why would you defend that? Because he makes your favorite knife? Wow.

Well, I guess you are emotionally attached to your striders to the point you must defend it's scumbag maker no matter what he did :confused:

In the end, if I liked a knife and it turns out the owner is a scum bucket, I won't defend him at all costs. Just makes you look foolish.
 
shinyedges said:
In the end, if I liked a knife and it turns out the owner is a scum bucket, I won't defend him at all costs. Just makes you look foolish.
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Actually, if I was that intent on not giving up the knife, I would acknowledge the maker is a wanker and say I DON'T CARE what he did, I like the knife.

Just come out and say you don't care what he did, rather than make excuses and defend him.. jeesh.
 
Reignman said:
I don't know Gaston Glock, but I'll rep his handguns. I'll wager is Samuel Colt existed in modern times he'd be a clown according to the internet gods... if someone's implying a person embellished stories and that makes their product inferior or simply less desirable that's their business... It's a USA made knife of the utmost quality.

Consider your source, there are always variables in people's stories. I'll bet half the knives Ernest Emerson made for seals to "cut bad guys throats" were actually used to cut duct tape at the barracks or sold to guys who bought into the bullshit. Is that a knock on Emerson?... no, it's an attempt to let you realize things get blown way out of proportion.

I doubt strongly Mick would have military contracts if that were the case... REGARDLESS he makes a great knife.
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He didn't embellish he created.
 
shinyedges said:
Actually, if I was that intent on not giving up the knife, I would acknowledge the maker is a wanker and say I DON'T CARE what he did, I like the knife.
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Many people in this thread did say just that, that they don't care about what happened with the maker and are focusing on the knife itself...but then there you are replying immediately afterward beating the dead horse. Pick a position and stick with it.
 
Jsega51 said:
Many people in this thread did say just that, that they don't care about what happened with the maker and are focusing on the knife itself...but then there you are replying immediately afterward beating the dead horse. Pick a position and stick with it.
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What? I think you misunderstood my post.

And is there a single post in this thread where someone said they plainly don't care? I didn't see it.

And lastly, I picked my side and stuck with years before you signed up. Thanks for joining in though.
 
GermanyChris said:
He didn't embellish he created.
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An important distinction.

Jsega51 said:
Many people in this thread did say just that, that they don't care about what happened with the maker and are focusing on the knife itself...but then there you are replying immediately afterward beating the dead horse. Pick a position and stick with it.
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Yes, many people said that but many other people are making up excuses to legitimize owning and liking striders. The evidence is there. It is undeniable. So at this point folks need to say they don't care about what he did and stop defending it/him. Same thing with counterfeit supporters or the quartermast guy. People come up with all sorts of excuses to make themselves feel better about owning some products. In these cases you either care or you don't. I feel sorry for folks who don't care and would like this information to be available to new folks seeking interest in such knives so they can make an informed decision about if the want to care or not. Most of this community feels the same way including the owner.

If folks want to support any number of scummy companies, owners, or makers? Fine. Just know what you are supporting. You will here about it here.
 
Hi. I don’t own any Strider knife at the moment but I like their designs and, “on papers” and from what I have read and learned, they look to me solid cutting tools. Not slicers, that’s for sure, but sound and capable folders, that I would happily use, at least for my own type of outdoor activities. I can consider buying one sooner or later, for the moment it’s just their price tag which puts me on hold.

As far as the whole “Strider controversy”, I also have read the many threads here on BF and in the web and they have been interesting and entertaining reading during many evenings spent on business trips. Once I have finished all my reading on the subject, well, the whole thing just put a bitter smile on my face. Very likely it’s a “cultural” issue I face here but, honestly speaking, it looks to me Mr. Burger is guilty of venial sins rather than mortal ones, like many here seems to claim.

What we have here, really? It seems to me we have a youngster enrolling for the Army with the best hopes and intentions who, along the way, realizes that for one reason or another (physical, mental breakdown or an overall lack of stamina or simply mind-set fit) the soldier life it’s not fit for him. He likely has a quarrel with an outrank and gets discharged (honourably or dishonourably I haven’t understood yet and doesn’t matter so much, at the end of the day). He’s out on the streets, with his broken luck and broken dreams, probably also depressed for the incessant pain in the back (if that’s true). He probably starts drinking heavily, etc. and he gets involved with these so called “heavy hitters”, more likely some amateur, incapable, casually thrown together gang of crooks, devoted to petty crimes activities. He gets busted during an attempt to highjack a car and ends up in jail. He does his time while learning (or improving) his skills as metal worker and finds out he is able and he likes to make knives. He straighten himself up, finds that’s something he might like to do for a living and, eventually, gets released from prison. So he tries his way to make ends meet in knife making business and finds out he can be successful, even very successful. What he does next, while establishing himself as a capable knife maker and building up his business network, is he tries to sugar-coat his past, pretending to live the life he wished to have lived; re-inventing he has been a bad-a$$ SOF operator and all the surrounding bull$!it. Surely it’s a sign of immaturity, a grown up man unable to cope and accept what he really is and what he has done. Surely he told lies but his lies are, in my opinion, white lies. I don’t think he really consciously started to tell lies to “sell” his knives or getting an economical advantage. I think he started to tell lies to embellish his past, a past which has taken a course he didn’t like, couldn’t accept fully and he’s probably still ashamed of. Also, looks to me, his lies haven’t killed anyone. He looks to me like a 45 yrs. old teen-ager, if you know what I mean. But that’s not very different behaviour/mind-set compared to those of his customers who buy his knives because they’re “high-speed, low-drag” stuff and “hard-core tools for hard-core operators”, in my opinion. It’s not that these people has been “deceived”, rather they have been given something they were looking for nevertheless. No one has been hurt really. Personally, I would never buy a knife, a gun or a tool specifically designed for an operator/SOF, etc. because it will perform terribly in my hands, having to face very different tasks or simply because, as a week-end hiker, I wouldn’t be able to exploit its potential. My actual feelings for Mr. Burger is Christian compassion, for his manifest vulnerability which he, still today, tries to hide behind “hard-core” look and behaviours. Just like a teen-ager. Hope he will find peace with this sooner or later.

As far as “stolen valour”, in spite of the mainstream and legal meaning of this, my definition is rather far from this. Stolen valour, for me, is when one hides while his brothers are charging and gets a medal eventually, being the only one survivor; stolen valour is when one let others to die just to cover his retreat and act as a war hero afterwards or putting others’ necks on the line and take all the benefits/merits afterwards. To childishly embellish an uncomfortable past, pretending one has been a great soldier well, for me it’s childish but doesn’t really hurt all the real valorous soldiers. On the contrary, wishing he has been one of those, Mr. Burger basically recognizes and “envy” their bright example, high standard and sacrifice. Telling lies only hurts oneself and he’s been hit quite hard. I also think that Mr. Burger, along these years has at least tried to amend these venial sins and his lies, not so much with grandstanding declarations, public requests of forgiveness, or sprinkling ashes on his head but rather with real acts, like charity, donations, etc. to those he still values and admires.

Today, calling him names and dispensing offensive epithets can probably make some feel more righteous and better stand-up people but, in reality, looks to me more like a cruel turkey shoot. I have never been in jail and I served in the Italian Army (just two years as ROTC and haven’t fought any war) but I recognize I have been lucky for a good 50%. I was lucky to have a good, attentive and supporting family, good friends, good schools, healthy environment, etc. Nevertheless I have seen several of my acquaintances when I was young taking bad turns in life and ending up destroyed by drugs or bad companies. A few died, some went to jail, some straighten up and moved on, some not. Mr. Burger today, seems to me from what I read and know, is running a legit business, employs co-workers in a law abiding way, pays taxes, etc. In one way, you can consider this a success of your prison system which, in this case at least, managed to recoup a felon in a rather brilliant way. Latins had a say: “Errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum”. Doesn’t look to me Mr. Burger is persevering in this.

Take care.
 
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Honorable discharge the same as a dishonorable? You can't be serious. Saying it doesn't matter is absolutely clueless. There is so much wrong in your post I won't address it all.
Herlock said:
Hi. I don’t own any Strider knife at the moment but I like their designs and, “on papers” and from what I have read and learned, they look to me solid cutting tools. Not slicers, that’s for sure, but sound and capable folders, that I would happily use, at least for my own type of outdoor activities. I can consider buying one sooner or later, for the moment it’s just their price tag which puts me on hold.

As far as the whole “Strider controversy”, I also have read the many threads here on BF and in the web and they have been interesting and entertaining reading during many evenings spent on business trips. Once I have finished all my reading on the subject, well, the whole thing just put a bitter smile on my face. Very likely it’s a “cultural” issue I face here but, honestly speaking, it looks to me Mr. Burger is guilty of venial sins rather than mortal ones, like many here seems to claim.

What we have here, really? It seems to me we have a youngster enrolling for the Army with the best hopes and intentions who, along the way, realizes that for one reason or another (physical, mental breakdown or an overall lack of stamina or simply mind-set fit) the soldier life it’s not fit for him. He likely has a quarrel with an outrank and gets discharged (honourably or dishonourably I haven’t understood yet and doesn’t matter so much, at the end of the day). He’s out on the streets, with his broken luck and broken dreams, probably also depressed for the incessant pain in the back (if that’s true). He probably starts drinking heavily, etc. and he gets involved with these so called “heavy hitters”, more likely some amateur, incapable, casually thrown together gang of crooks, devoted to petty crimes activities. He gets busted during an attempt to highjack a car and ends up in jail. He does his time while learning (or improving) his skills as metal worker and finds out he is able and he likes to make knives. He straighten himself up, finds that’s something he might like to do for a living and, eventually, gets released from prison. So he tries his way to make ends meet in knife making business and finds out he can be successful, even very successful. What he does next, while establishing himself as a capable knife maker and building up his business network, is he tries to sugar-coat his past, pretending to live the life he wished to have lived; re-inventing he has been a bad-a$$ SOF operator and all the surrounding bull$!it. Surely it’s a sign of immaturity, a grown up man unable to cope and accept what he really is and what he has done. Surely he told lies but his lies are, in my opinion, white lies. I don’t think he really consciously started to tell lies to “sell” his knives or getting an economical advantage. I think he started to tell lies to embellish his past, a past which has taken a course he didn’t like, couldn’t accept fully and he’s probably still ashamed of. Also, looks to me, his lies haven’t killed anyone. He looks to me like a 45 yrs. old teen-ager, if you know what I mean. But that’s not very different behaviour/mind-set compared to those of his customers who buy his knives because they’re “high-speed, low-drag” stuff and “hard-core tools for hard-core operators”, in my opinion. It’s not that these people has been “deceived”, rather they have been given something they were looking for nevertheless. No one has been hurt really. Personally, I would never buy a knife, a gun or a tool specifically designed for an operator/SOF, etc. because it will perform terribly in my hands, having to face very different tasks or simply because, as a week-end hiker, I wouldn’t be able to exploit its potential. My actual feelings for Mr. Burger is Christian compassion, for his manifest vulnerability which he, still today, tries to hide behind “hard-core” look and behaviours. Just like a teen-ager. Hope he will find peace with this sooner or later.

As far as “stolen valour”, in spite of the mainstream and legal meaning of this, my definition is rather far from this. Stolen valour, for me, is when one hides while his brothers are charging and gets a medal eventually, being the only one survivor; stolen valour is when one let others to die just to cover his retreat and act as a war hero afterwards or putting others’ necks on the line and take all the benefits/merits afterwards. To childishly embellish an uncomfortable past, pretending one has been a great soldier well, for me it’s childish but doesn’t really hurt all the real valorous soldiers. On the contrary, wishing he has been one of those, Mr. Burger basically recognizes and “envy” their bright example, high standard and sacrifice. Telling lies only hurts oneself and he’s been hit quite hard. I also think that Mr. Burger, along these years has at least tried to amend these venial sins and his lies, not so much with grandstanding declarations, public requests of forgiveness, or sprinkling ashes on his head but rather with real acts, like charity, donations, etc. to those he still values and admires.

Today, calling him names and dispensing offensive epithets can probably make some feel more righteous and better stand-up people but, in reality, looks to me more like a cruel turkey shoot. I have never been in jail and I served in the Italian Army (just two years as ROTC and haven’t fought any war) but I recognize I have been lucky for a good 50%. I was lucky to have a good, attentive and supporting family, good friends, good schools, healthy environment, etc. Nevertheless I have seen several of my acquaintances when I was young taking bad turns in life and ending up destroyed by drugs or bad companies. A few died, some went to jail, some straighten up and moved on, some not. Mr. Burger today, seems to me from what I read and know, is running a legit business, employs co-workers in a law abiding way, pays taxes, etc. In one way, you can consider this a success of your prison system which, in this case at least, managed to recoup a felon in a rather brilliant way. Latins had a say: “Errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum”. Doesn’t look to me Mr. Burger is persevering in this.

Take care.
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If you want me to say the words I will as best I can- I don't care enough to give up my SnG. I see no reason I should pay any penalty for something the maker did prior to my ever purchasing one. I was aware of the situation with the owner and was not swindled in any way(happened prior to my 1st purchase). I like the knife. Am I being a hypocritical-most likely yes. I believe in honor and truth, But I also believe in second chances and putting ones life back together. Alternative is I pay for the person with my taxes the rest of their life.
I buy my knives on the exchange so Strider Knives has not pulled in a lot of money from me. Many do the same. This is not a decision to not give them money, just how I do it.
They reorganized awhile back and Mick Strider nor Duane are a part of daily activity there. He is now MSC( Duane also has his own co.), and claims to make his living from that, not Strider knives. I am not his accountant nor know all the facts of the restructure-so that is all I can say or provide on the re-structure.
Those that choose not to support Strider Knives in any way, I understand your position and it is your choice to make.
 
shinyedges said:
What? I think you misunderstood my post.

And is there a single post in this thread where someone said they plainly don't care? I didn't see it.

And lastly, I picked my side and stuck with years before you signed up. Thanks for joining in though.
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Maybe I did misunderstand but I see many posts, including from the OP, saying that they wanted to discuss the knives only. That says to me that they don't care about the other stuff, and want to strictly talk about the knives.

I'm not picking a side as these knives aren't my style and sorry for questioning you because you obviously have way more invested interest in this topic than I do. If it means anything, I wouldn't support this maker based on what he did either. I see that argument and hold the same view.

(Also, why do people bring join date or forum posts into the argument? Doesn't make sense to me, pretty weak argument in my opinion.)
 
Jsega51 said:
Maybe I did misunderstand but I see many posts, including from the OP, saying that they wanted to discuss the knives only. That says to me that they don't care about the other stuff, and want to strictly talk about the knives.

I'm not picking a side as these knives aren't my style and sorry for questioning you because you obviously have way more invested interest in this topic than I do. If it means anything, I wouldn't support this maker based on what he did either. I see that argument and hold the same view.

(Also, why do people bring join date or forum posts into the argument? Doesn't make sense to me, pretty weak argument in my opinion.)
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As far as join dates, typically it is irrelevant. But you said to me "pick a side and stick with it" so I figured I'd mention I've been consistent on what "side" I chose for years. And guys who's been here and remember all the times this topic comes up, would know that. In anycase, I was a little snarky, no harm meant brother.
 
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