Emerson Knives

dsimmons said:
Emerson has no competitors. Emerson is Emerson in the same way that Harley is Harley, although obviously to a lower degree. There are Emerson guys same as there are Benchmade guys and Spyderco guys. They have incredibly high brand loyalty.
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Get over yourself. Emerson has competitors. Emerson is Emerson and Harley is Harley and do not mirror each other to any degree. Tell me, does Harley run to a Japanese owned maker for collaborations? Harley has made improvements on their bikes over the years as things modernize... It's still 1995 with Emerson so there is no comparison.
dsimmons said:
Nobody that buys Emersons is going to stop buying Emersons because Ernie designed some blades for other companies.
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How do you know? Are you inside the minds of every Emerson knife owner? Are you Vulcan? Miss Cleo?
dsimmons said:
That's nice. Does it say "Emerson Knives" on the blade? No? Then what's your point? It's not as if ZT's going to cut into Emerson sales and even if they do... guess what? Emerson still gets money.
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What's nice is comparatively, for the same price as Emersons go for ($200+), you get what prospective buyers and even many of his die hard customers have been asking for... Better parts that warrant the pricepoint. My point is not ZT cutting into Emerson's sales (although others have suggested that also) but that it reinforces the opinion that Emerson knives are overpriced at this day and age. Guess what? No one is doubting that this will make him money and for the third day in a row I've repeated myself.
dsimmons said:
This is the most twisted non-logic I've ever read in my life. "He only sells a lot of knives because he doesn't make as many as he could."
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Yeah that's right... It's his own decision to limit his production numbers AND capabilities which is why at any given time you go to BladeHQ etc and his knives are mostly sold out. They are made in batches. That's his choice... But don't make it sound like they are selling like hot cakes. That quote of mine was in response to you saying that "Yes, Emerson is struggling... to fill all the orders they have coming in."... Now THAT is twisting it.
dsimmons said:
Anyway, the point is that there are no negatives here for Emerson. None whatsoever. Their sales will not be undercut. Emerson expands their production without capital outlay, and the core business stays the exact same way it is. There is no downside for Emerson, at all, anywhere.
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Your responses leave little for any wiggle room. "None whatsoever". How do you know? Just like you have the right to disagree with our opinions and observations I'm doing the same with yours here. Except that your claiming them as facts and I'm not resorting to any lambasting like "What the fuhhh" and "That's the dumbest blah blah blah". Do you have insider knowledge to back up your "facts"? "Their sales will not be undercut period no if and or buts" "No downside AT...ALL...ANYWHERE"... Do you work for Emerson? Do you have an emotional connection with the brand? It seems that you are catching feelings.
dsimmons said:
And nobody will. Also, nobody will tell you that a Tenacious is worth it. Or a Sebenza. Or a Code 4. Or a Buck 110. In fact, you'll have people ready to take a massive brown poo all over whatever knife you care to talk about and these people are far more likely to show up than the fans are because they outnumber the fans by a thousandfold. There's always something with better specs, there's always something with a better steel, or a better grind, or a better whatever. What few here seem to understand, or more likely ADMIT, is that value is not defined by specs. If it were there would be one maker, or all makers would use the exact same components at all price points. You can't determine the worthiness of a knife, or anything, based purely on what it's made out of or how amazingly accurate the parts fit together. Everything can be worth far more than the sum of its parts, and Emersons are just that to many people. Emerson could easily expand to five times the size, jack prices through the roof, and STILL move more product simply on name value alone. That he chooses not to do so says to me that he has much better business sense than anyone here. He is comfortable with the size of his business. If he doesn't want to grow, what business is it of ours?
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Now THAT is a fanboy twist full of excuses. Sorry to say, but it will only make sense to Emerson fans. The only thing that makes it really worth more than the sum of its parts compared to other knives its price is the Wave feature... Is that what makes a 154CM knife cost $250 in 2014? The REAL reason is it's comparatively a small company and production costs are higher. "The knife is worth more than the sum of its parts" That's the most ridiculous twist I've ever heard about Emersons.
dsimmons said:
It says "Emerson Designs", not Emerson Knives. It is a completely different brand with a completely different logo. The differentiation is apparent, and very important.
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That's how collaborations usually work and that was never in contention. Not as important as the questions raised on this thread.

dsimmons said:
It doesn't matter why someone buys what they do. Not all of us live our lives searching for the next statistically better piece of gear. We actually buy things we LIKE rather than what some twit on the internet THINKS we should buy because the steel has one more point of molybdenum and the G10 is of a higher quality from a different factory in the same city. Whether you like it or not is utterly irrelevant.

Asking someone to justify their opinion without offering anything in return is the pinnacle of internet douchebaggery.
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More of the same Emerson apologist twist. May be true to some, but it still doesn't justify the price to many... And that's not going to change either. And quit with the name calling, it greatly lessens your credibility. Mirror, mirror.
 
dsimmons said:
I own no Emersons. Still care to throw around idiotic "fanboy" assertions?
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LMAO, You had WALLS AND WALLS OF MEANINGLESS TEXT.

I only kept going because your responses were so riled up and emotional mixed in with personal insults. Whether you own a hundred or none, your responses were very much one sided just like a fanboy so yes you are asserted as one. Namecalling started with you. Ooh "idiotic" another gem.
 
Discuss the topic not one another. If you don't, you will get the discussion closed and infractions may fly.
 
bladeboss said:
I will admit, owning high-end knives does make me feel good.
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I don't think its anything we have to shy away from. Feeling good (and its step-brother "pain avoidance") are the dominant motivators in human behavior. We make up all kinds of pretend reasons for why we do things, but in my view it pretty much comes down to pleasure and pain. Rockwell hardness and phosphor bronze bushings are just the cover stories.
 
I think reconranger said this. "I don't care what steel is used or which side the grind is on or anything else. I just like the Emerson knife and I got one."
This works for me and many other for many knife knuts.
 
powernoodle said:
I don't think its anything we have to shy away from. Feeling good (and its step-brother "pain avoidance") are the dominant motivators in human behavior. We make up all kinds of pretend reasons for why we do things, but in my view it pretty much comes down to pleasure and pain. Rockwell hardness and phosphor bronze bushings are just the cover stories.
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You nailed it, as usual Sir. :)

This thread is the reason I'm pulling the trigger on a Super 8.
 
Its also the reason I will pull the trigger on a CQC-10 or Endeavor. Haven't decided yet.
 
Lycosa said:
I think reconranger said this. "I don't care what steel is used or which side the grind is on or anything else. I just like the Emerson knife and I got one."
This works for me and many other for many knife knuts.
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Well said, Rolf. :thumbup:
 
Received a cqc-15 in the mail today... The fit and finish is excellent, the lock up is great, and the knife just feels great in your hands. It seems like they have drastically improved their quality control? I will probably put a v-grind on it...Thats my biggest qualm.
 
Ztmma said:
Received a cqc-15 in the mail today... The fit and finish is excellent, the lock up is great, and the knife just feels great in your hands. It seems like they have drastically improved their quality control? I will probably put a v-grind on it...Thats my biggest qualm.
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No the quality is always there, just some people have an inflated sense that these knives are the end all be all of perfection when in fact they are made to be beat on and their quality up to par with that philosophy of use.
 
I think H.D. is going to open a prod. line in India, yep I read that, also H.D. sources parts from all over world, just look at me some time when I am trying to "tune" my Magnetti/Marrelli throttle body. I like Emersons too but they are in no way the #1 hard use knives in the world but I will also say they are probably most famous in the worst places! keepem sharp
 
The A-100 is probably my favorite Emerson...Love. This. Knife.

The genius is it's simplicity. Just a rock solid, no frills, timeless design.

Some say Emerson needs to get with the times, I say don't fix what ain't broke!

 
longbow said:
I think H.D. is going to open a prod. line in India, yep I read that, also H.D. sources parts from all over world, just look at me some time when I am trying to "tune" my Magnetti/Marrelli throttle body. I like Emersons too but they are in no way the #1 hard use knives in the world but I will also say they are probably most famous in the worst places! keepem sharp
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Yes, because India's taxes, tariffs, duties, and so on are excruciatingly high for finished products intended for sale. Basically 150% of the cost of the bike. It's actually cheaper for HD to build an assembly plant in India, ship the relevant sub-assemblies over from the US, and have it put together over there, than it is to just ship a complete bike. Since they're shipping parts they don't have to contend with the additional costs, which keeps the prices to a reasonable level.

This is pretty much why Royal Enfield still exists as well
 
Some guys like heavy girls, whereas I like thinner ones. But I don't knock them for choosing a heavier gal, because they need someone, too. So that's cool all around.
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Did you just compare Emerson to fat girls? That's messed up, BRO
 
cncpro11 said:
The A-100 is probably my favorite Emerson...Love. This. Knife.

The genius is it's simplicity. Just a rock solid, no frills, timeless design.

Some say Emerson needs to get with the times, I say don't fix what ain't broke!

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The A-100 is a beautiful example of the old quote (I paraphrase) perfection is reached not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. It really is one of the quintessential modern folders.
 
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