Enlan is going to make some Fix Blade

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philwar said:
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Busse used to use D2 and still swears by it. Much like INFI, it's all in the HT. ;)
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True, plus Dozier knives which I would definitely buy, I just don't have the faith that they have the heat treat down as well as Busse or Dozier.
 
I don't buy china, but even if those were not from there I will never buy a thing from a company that is sorry enough to rip off other people's ideas. They are not honest enough to come up with there own design's.

BTW- they won't be making that one with the talon hole very long. I was at Blade when Jerry was shown one made by a maker from Japan. He made a trip back to talk with the guy, and the knives were removed. He still makes the same knife minus the talon hole.
 
Ken44 said:
I don't buy china, but even if those were not from there I will never buy a thing from a company that is sorry enough to rip off other people's ideas. They are not honest enough to come up with there own design's.

BTW- they won't be making that one with the talon hole very long. I was at Blade when Jerry was shown one made by a maker from Japan. He made a trip back to talk with the guy, and the knives were removed. He still makes the same knife minus the talon hole.
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That's only if these blades are made for North American distribution, which they likely aren't, or if there is a major North American distributor outside of one-offs from eBay or Chinese drop-shipping sites a la DX. Good luck enforcing patents in China.
 
Here's a knife made with good materials, and while it looks like several high-end knives it might offer 8/10 of their performance. However, you can have it for 1/10 of the price. I'll be getting one, if not more. It's definitely going to be a user.
 
gooeytek said:
Here's a knife made with good materials, and while it looks like several high-end knives it might offer 8/10 of their performance. However, you can have it for 1/10 of the price. I'll be getting one, if not more. It's definitely going to be a user.
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I would be surprised if it offered half of the performance of a busse:thumbdn:
 
like em sharp said:
That's only if these blades are made for North American distribution, which they likely aren't, or if there is a major North American distributor outside of one-offs from eBay or Chinese drop-shipping sites a la DX. Good luck enforcing patents in China.
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This. It seems that most (all?) Chinese companies don't care about copyrights or patents. Personally I don't even see the point of the talon hole, so it seems like the only reason they copied it was to make Busse-looking knives.

seelow123 said:
I would be surprised if it offered half of the performance of a busse:thumbdn:
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I'd be surprised if it offered 10% :thumbdn:
 
gooeytek said:
Here's a knife made with good materials, and while it looks like several high-end knives it might offer 8/10 of their performance. However, you can have it for 1/10 of the price. I'll be getting one, if not more. It's definitely going to be a user.
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I think your 8/10 is optimistic. D2 has wildly varying properties depending on HT. If it's not done right, it's a stinker, less forgiving than many other steels, easily prone to becoming brittle. This is not 8Cr13MoV which Enlan is used to using. I'm willing to bet they can't do with D2 what Busse did, as in 'not even close.'
Having said that, if they changed the design enough, and the steel turns out to be good, I would not be above purchasing one. I am not prejudiced against Enlan or any manufacturer, I just want to make sure they know their stuff and don't rip off patented designs.
 
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Fanglekai said:
This. It seems that most (all?) Chinese companies don't care about copyrights or patents.
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Or, you know, China is a separate country with it's own laws. Arbitrarily following the laws of a country you don't do business in and have no intention of doing business in would be kinda strange, regardless of what we think or want, and none of these knives are made for US distribution or sale.
 
baldetalk said:
what would you expect from them ? quality? How much would you like to pay for them if they are finally in the market?
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baldetalk, I see that you are from China. These questions make it sound like you work for Enlan.. do you?
 
I like the top one quite a bit, but not in pink. I can see myself picking it up.
I don't quite understand the reasoning of the OP why they would not add their logo to the blade?

About the hole at the end of the handle. Well, there are more fixed blades with a hole near the end of the handle, it's the logical place for a lanyard after all. For example this very good G. Sakai knife that I have:
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And there are several others. It would surprise me if this design feature is an enforceable trademark.
 
I do not know if the patents are enforceable in another country. You may have response if anyone with a mustache is your daddy? Its an uphill task but they would probably make many models and if one model infringes a patent, they probably just wont sell it in that country. It will still flow there via ebay.

I would buy a few if they are cheap. I hope they have good sheaths, thin profile and come with no coatings too.
 
Lets not turn this into a bash China poo-fest people....

If anyone from China , that is working with Enlan or any other knife manufacturer is reading this thread , here is a piece of advice you really should consider if you want more Americans to take you seriously.

Come up with your own designs ! Personally I have no dog in this fight , I've seen blatant rip off by Americans companies so that sort of business knows no bounds , or borders.

You folks obviously have the capability to make decent knives , if you put a little thought into it you could probably really come up with some winning designs.

I've heard good things about HWS-1S so you even have a 'local' steel to use. Copying a knife like those that look like Busse really gets under peoples skin and you are not going to fool anyone if that's the motive.

So yea , put some work into this , come up with some original designs and you'll see there's plenty of pie for everyone to share.

:)

Tostig
 
Dagon said:
And there are several others. It would surprise me if this design feature is an enforceable trademark.
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The Busse talon hole is quite unique. It sits near the choil, not at the end of the blade.
 
Given the use of D2 in the blade I wouldn't just expect brittle failure from these enlan knives I would guarantee it. I just don't see them having the quality control, or the correct procedure to do it. Especially if you plan on using them like you would a busse.
 
Honestly i think ill try them out, the top pink one wasnt bad, probably wont get It In favor of a svord fb I'm puttin together, but ill try the busses knock offs. If all else fails ill have a chunk of d2 to fiddle with back at my shop
 
Allcaps321 said:
Given the use of D2 in the blade I wouldn't just expect brittle failure from these enlan knives I would guarantee it. I just don't see them having the quality control, or the correct procedure to do it. Especially if you plan on using them like you would a busse.
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Alright, I'll bite - why? It's not like the heat treatments for D2 are a closely guarded secret.
 
Taking design similarities out of the conversation.

How have we gotten to a point where the location of where a hole is drilled is grounds for legal action?
 
they would be brittle only if they are thin. If they make it as think as some choppers are, they can probably sell it for more and offer a lifetime warranty.
 
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