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Enlan is going to make some Fix Blade
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Yes. It's a trademark and not a patent. You see the little hole, and you're supposed to be able to identify the knife as a Busse brand knife -- just like if you see 2 little circles on top of a bigger one, you think Disney. It's a registered trademark, but without distribution in the US that the Busse company could enjoin, they'd have to enforce in China. Not an easy or inexpensive course of action.
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The heat treatments designed for D2 maximize wear resistance, and compressive strength not toughness. Second its just not a tough steel, its impact resistance is 20ft-lbs. It just not a great steel to make a busse clone out of if you're not busse.
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It's an identity issue. Spyderco is identified by nothing so much as the opening hole, and this is analogous to the Busse talon hole. It's a design feature that distinguishes Busse knives from all others.
Ah yes, my bad, I now see which hole you were referring to.
I thought I had seen these before as well, and indeed after a quick google, here are the Extrema Ratio Fulcrum C and Shrapnel OG fixed blades:
Extrema Ratio isn't exactly a brand that people accuse of being copycats.
I also agree that this is going too far.
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Ah yes, my bad, I now see which hole you were referring to.
I thought I had seen these before as well, and indeed after a quick google, here are the Extrema Ratio Fulcrum C and Shrapnel OG fixed blades:
Extrema Ratio isn't exactly a brand that people accuse of being copycats.
I also agree that this is going too far.
Looks like the Extrema Ratio hole is on the guard itself. The Busse mark is for a hole in the "rearward portion of the blade". It may seem like a minor difference, but trademarks can turn on technical distinctions like that.
This is a record of the mark:
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4009:kota7o.2.18
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I have a CS magnum khukri that is made in Taiwan I think. It cost me all of $23 shipped. It's handled everything I've used it for, and I believe it did very well in destruction tests. If these Enlan fixed blades will offer that kind of performance for the same price, I'm definitely getting a few. How badly can it fare compared to other low-priced knives?
A lot of people need to get off their high horses here about copying a design. It just shows that Busse's designs are widely regarded as ones that work, and at the same time aesthetically appealing. A knife is a fairly simple tool, and while there are many ways to present a way to cut, simplicity is the best approach. How many effective and simple knife designs are out there? I see a lot of people making knives based on Loveless' designs, but I don't see anyone complaining. It's a design that works and looks great.
A lot of people need to get off their high horses here about copying a design. It just shows that Busse's designs are widely regarded as ones that work, and at the same time aesthetically appealing. A knife is a fairly simple tool, and while there are many ways to present a way to cut, simplicity is the best approach. How many effective and simple knife designs are out there? I see a lot of people making knives based on Loveless' designs, but I don't see anyone complaining. It's a design that works and looks great.
I agree with you about similar designs being no big deal. Lots of knives look like lots of other knives. But if you knowingly use another company's trademark, that's like putting the original company's name or logo on your product. That goes past imitation and is more like marketing counterfeits. Whether you want to monitor and self-enforce Mr. Busse's trademarks for him is a personal matter. It kind of bothers me, but I'm not sure enough to make me not buy a trademark-infringing Enlan if one is ever actually marketed (if I wanted a fixed blade, which I don't).
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The CS machetes are made in south africa, they use 1055 not D2. I would not expect similar performance.
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I'm pretty sure Enlan could make exact copies of Busse (busse name printed on them and everything) knives in 8cr13mov steel sell them for $40 and people here who know what Busse's are would buy and defend Enlan with things like "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, or Busse designs work, Enlan using them is a compliment". No reason to argue/debate, neither will change their minds. Just like the kids in school who will cheat on a test when given a chance and those who won't when given a chance. Those who do will argue it doesn't hurt anybody, those who don't will say its wrong.
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Do you buy Benchmade? It is my understanding that they ripped off Spyderco's hole.
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Since I already have a Sanrenmu 710, the poor mans Sebenza..I would be also proud to carry this Enlan, the poor mans Busse..A lot of us on this forum have thein wallets and can't afford expensive blades..Knives all seem to look about the same to me and every maker ripped off someone..People love to steal others ideas. No thought exists in a vacuum...Everything is based on something else.
I don't buy Benchmade or SOG, but this thread isn't about me.
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Orly? So the words "intellectual property" mean absolutely nothing? Let me get this straight - you're saying that it's perfectly acceptable to blatantly rip off someone else's trademarked or patented idea/product and profit from it?
Yes, let's do nothing but speculate on what knives those LOOK like. If they are not marketed to be a generic version of the knife it is supposedly a rip-off of, then they are not a rip-off of said knife. PEOPLE tie the "looks like" tag on, not the company. Now, you cannot make a knife that is completely 100% original. Just like with movies and tv shows. If the knife performs good at a good price point, then buy it. If it does not, don't buy it. Don't turn this into a "made in China PoS" match, like every single thread about SRM or Enlan becomes.
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