Enlan is going to make some Fix Blade

[JAB]

Yes, let's do nothing but speculate on what knives those LOOK like. If they are not marketed to be a generic version of the knife it is supposedly a rip-off of, then they are not a rip-off of said knife. PEOPLE tie the "looks like" tag on, not the company. Now, you cannot make a knife that is completely 100% original. Just like with movies and tv shows. If the knife performs good at a good price point, then buy it. If it does not, don't buy it. Don't turn this into a "made in China PoS" match, like every single thread about SRM or Enlan becomes.

Uh, the company doesn't have to market them as a generic version of a knife in order for them to qualify as rip-offs - the obviously ripped-off designs speak for themselves.

 

[Cold Kill]

Uh, the company doesn't have to market them as a generic version of a knife in order for them to qualify as rip-offs - the obviously ripped-off designs speak for themselves.

As somebody else said, what about the stealing of the Spyderhole by Benchmade?

 

[JAB]

As somebody else said, what about the stealing of the Spyderhole by Benchmade?

The patent has expired, which was on a one hand opener, not a hole.

However the trademark for a round hole (shape) is in force and trademarks do not expire.

Regarding Benchmade and the use of our trademarked hole shape, all I can say is that "Spyderco and Benchmade have an agreement".

sal

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[Pete2s]

I stopped buying Spyderco, Benchmade, Kershaw and other brands because they steel from Chris Reeve when they use his frame lock. The same companies steal from Michael Walker when they use the liner lock. They blatantly copy another person's lock designs.

 

[like em sharp]

Uh, the company doesn't have to market them as a generic version of a knife in order for them to qualify as rip-offs - the obviously ripped-off designs speak for themselves.

Gerber copying the CRKT M16 for the EVO and EVO Jr?
SOG and Benchmade copying the Cara Cara for the SOGZilla and Pika, respectively?
Schrade copying the Buck 110 for the LB7?
Bradley/Benchmade copying the Sebenza for the Alias?

Sorry, stealing ideas from other companies is about as old as locking folders in the knife world (literally, the first copies by Ka-bar and Schrade of the 110 came out within what, 2 years?). You either need to get over it or only buy customs.

I'm not saying just buy Chinese, either. Don't buy it if you want to support American (or German, or Swiss, or Italian, or British, whatever's your fancy) workers. Don't buy them if you don't want to give money to an oppressive, totalitarian regime. But the stealing ideas argument has been going on for 60+ years, and it makes little sense to selectively apply it to Chinese makers.

 

[brets-ftw]

Orly? So the words "intellectual property" mean absolutely nothing? Let me get this straight - you're saying that it's perfectly acceptable to blatantly rip off someone else's trademarked or patented idea/product and profit from it?

This is called Capitalism, kinda of a big chunk of what our economy is based on. now granted we have laws to try and stop this but it doesn't stop HP from producing inkjets that also fit NCR printers or vice verse. Nor every car company out there trying to make their version of differential DOHC just like honda's Vtec. people profit off of others ideas, intellectual/personal/corporate property or not.

ethics has never been apart of economics, not in the true sense at least. Thats the sad truth IMO

I stopped buying Spyderco, Benchmade, Kershaw and other brands because they steel from Chris Reeve when they use his frame lock. The same companies steal from Michael Walker when they use the liner lock. They blatantly copy another person's lock designs.

neither designer patented those locks, so technically they arent copying just borrowing.

 

[mrdavidross321]

Just heard that Enlan is preparing some D2 Steel Blade G10 Handle Fixed Blade and they are not going to put Enlan's logo to avoid problem with Chinese police department

sample pictures are as followed

what would you expect from them ? quality? How much would you like to pay for them if they are finally in the market?

I hope that crap stays in China

 

[michaelm466]

Like I said, no use arguing, people will rationalize anything they want. Really I think all they would have to do is take out the TRADEMARKED Busse guard hole, (especially since it really serves no purpose other than to make it look like a Busse) and while it still looks Busse-esque, it's not enough to say that its a copy of a certain Busse model, sure it might be borrowing some things like other companies due from one another, but its not adding in a TRADEMARK that serves no purpose other than an Identifier. It would be like adding a Spyderco symbol to one of their semi-original designs, or stamping the letters CRK on the 710, doesn't help the function of the knife, but it might sell more knives, to people who don't know any better.

 

[baldetalk]

They're actually using D2? Or is it like the 440C that turned out to be 8Cr13MoV? I might buy them if they're well-designed and not blatant copies of other knives like the bottom two are.

for the material, I think they will not cheat, they want to build their brand in the market.

 

[baldetalk]

baldetalk, I see that you are from China. These questions make it sound like you work for Enlan.. do you?

yes, I am from China. but I am just a wholeseller of knives to ourside of China , I don't work for Enlan.
Why I started this thread is that I want to know if this knife will be popular to your guys and whether their price will be acceptable.
the price for these 3 blades will be around 50, 65 and 80 USD shipped.

 

[Cold Kill]

yes, I am from China. but I am just a wholeseller of knives to ourside of China , I don't work for Enlan.
Why I started this thread is that I want to know if this knife will be popular to your guys and whether their price will be acceptable.
the price for these 3 blades will be around 50, 65 and 80 USD shipped.

Wait, for all 3, or each (price-wise)?

 

[baldetalk]

year, Nice advice.
some people here is do their own designs like Y-start.

 

[baldetalk]

Wait, for all 3, or each (price-wise)?

just for 1pcs respectively.

 

[shecky]

Sorry. Can't get outraged. Yet another example of a nearly unknown low end manufacturer that will not affect another nearly unknown boutique manufacturer.

And that's a trademark? I'd say that was lawyer job security more than anything.

 

[like em sharp]

just for 1pcs respectively.

No, way over priced, sorry. There are a ton of quality fixed blades on the market in good steel for cheaper, with lifetime warranties to boot. Stuff like the Ka-bar Hunter and USMC series, the Kershaw Whiplash, the Sog Seal Pups and Auras, the Benchmade Rant bowie, the Cold Steel Pendleton and Mini Pendleton, the new Benchmade Lone Wolf series, the SOG Tsunami, the Sog Northwest Ranger, Kershaw Outcast...

Way too much competition in that price range.

 

[Cold Kill]

Out of the 3 knives, I would say that the top one (pink handle) would be very uncomfortable to use. No shaping at all on the handle. The bottom two would be far more comfortable, with them having a thicker and far more shaped handle. If you could sell them for around $60 for the uncoated, a little more for coated, you could make a lot of sales easily. I would say about $70 would be the cap for price (for the uncoated one).

 

[Fanglekai]

For that price you can get a Queen fixed blade, several Becker offerings, and be close to Scrapyard and ESEE prices.

 

[Cold Kill]

No, way over priced, sorry. There are a ton of quality fixed blades on the market in good steel for cheaper, with lifetime warranties to boot. Stuff like the Ka-bar Hunter and USMC series, the Kershaw Whiplash, the Sog Seal Pups and Auras, the Benchmade Rant bowie, the Cold Steel Pendleton and Mini Pendleton, the new Benchmade Lone Wolf series, the SOG Tsunami, the Sog Northwest Ranger, Kershaw Outcast...

Way too much competition in that price range.

Fact of the matter is that none of the competition are made of a steel as high quality as D2. Maybe the Lone Wolf line, I don't care about BM anymore. Out of all of those, only the Ka-Bars with 1095 come close, but you have to realize that the price point will fluctuate once sales start up or slow down. Give it a little while after they hit the market, and the price will likely drop to a more competitive one.

 

[Fanglekai]

Fact of the matter is that none of the competition are made of a steel as high quality as D2. Maybe the Lone Wolf line, I don't care about BM anymore. Out of all of those, only the Ka-Bars with 1095 come close, but you have to realize that the price point will fluctuate once sales start up or slow down. Give it a little while after they hit the market, and the price will likely drop to a more competitive one.

All the Queen fixed blades are under $60. They're in D2 heat treated by Peters.

 

[baldetalk]

Out of the 3 knives, I would say that the top one (pink handle) would be very uncomfortable to use. No shaping at all on the handle. The bottom two would be far more comfortable, with them having a thicker and far more shaped handle. If you could sell them for around $60 for the uncoated, a little more for coated, you could make a lot of sales easily. I would say about $70 would be the cap for price (for the uncoated one).

thank you for your information.
for the price 60 usd shipped (the last one ) on Ebay, there will be no profit for the seller. for 60USD on EBay, the seller will get around 323 RMB (cut ebay charges)
the wholesale price of this one in China is 230 RMB.
shipping of this knife with registered mail will cost around 60 RMB.
Frankly, I think the price of these 3 knives is over price, that is why i ask here to get a rough idea.