Enlan is going to make some Fix Blade

[Cold Kill]

thank you for your information.
for the price 60 usd shipped (the last one ) on Ebay, there will be no profit for the seller. for 60USD on EBay, the seller will get around 323 RMB (cut ebay charges)
the wholesale price of this one in China is 230 RMB.
shipping of this knife with registered mail will cost around 60 RMB.
Frankly, I think the price of these 3 knives is over price, that is why i ask here to get a rough idea.

I didn't know they were already up from others. I would say just pass of this one, unless you want to get some for yourself.

 

[masa]

Why not put a few on ebay to test the market to see if it would sell? I personally think that the selling point for these knives is that its cheap. At this price, the most I would buy is one... but probably not unless theres good feedback on the knife in the first place. Its not really a buy to try price.

 

[like em sharp]

Fact of the matter is that none of the competition are made of a steel as high quality as D2. Maybe the Lone Wolf line, I don't care about BM anymore. Out of all of those, only the Ka-Bars with 1095 come close, but you have to realize that the price point will fluctuate once sales start up or slow down. Give it a little while after they hit the market, and the price will likely drop to a more competitive one.

The Rant Bowie can be found in D2 for ~$75.

 

[res1cue]

yes, I am from China. but I am just a wholeseller of knives to ourside of China , I don't work for Enlan.
Why I started this thread is that I want to know if this knife will be popular to your guys and whether their price will be acceptable.
the price for these 3 blades will be around 50, 65 and 80 USD shipped.

Objectively speaking, a fair chunk of people won't buy it on principle, and the rest won't go for something that expensive. 50 bucks will be the upper limit on appealing to those who would be interested.

Personally though, they offer nothing to me that I don't have.

 

[Tsujigiri]

Yeah, I don't see people buying a Chinese-made knockoff with no customer service at a price they could buy American-made knives with a warranty.

 

[Ryanol]

You might get 40 + for an outright counterfeit from a few but at the expense of any brand equity you've built.

I think they'd be better served by altering the designs to be "Busse-esque" and put them out with a super competitive price point like $19.00.

 

[ThePharce]

Yeah, I don't see people buying a Chinese-made knockoff with no customer service at a price they could buy American-made knives with a warranty.

Yeah, at $20-25, this might draw interest. At $60-70, people are likely to look at ESEE and Becker/Ka-Bar....which, besides the warranty, are PROVEN.

 

[RandomAyes]

Given the use of D2 in the blade I wouldn't just expect brittle failure from these enlan knives I would guarantee it. I just don't see them having the quality control, or the correct procedure to do it. Especially if you plan on using them like you would a busse.

Hold on a sec. I highly doubt this D2 will be in the RC 61-64 range anyway. Just like Kershaw's Outcast made in East Asia this will probably also be under RC 58 on average. In this range it's probably not as brittle, probably not as hard to sharpen, and probably not as wear resistant.

 

[Jerry Busse]

Wow!

The only reason to include our trademarked guard hole and grip texture pattern is to capitalize on our good name and reputation.

I have sent an email to Enlan to inform them of their infringement.

Perhaps, they are not aware of our registered trademark.

Thanks for the heads up on this, and a special thanks to those who refuse to patronize them because of this infringement.

For 60.00 - 80.00 you can get a Scrap Yard model that will spank these imports in performance and be covered by a warranty that would put these manufacturers out of business.

Let's Drink! :thumbup:



Jerry

 

[Ken44]

IM0 we need to do anything we can to put these types of manufactors out of business.

All people need to do is NOT buy them. They will never offer a warranty like the good companies here, so they won't go out of business that way.

 

[Gadfly22]

IM0 we need to do anything we can to put these types of manufactors out of business.

All people need to do is NOT buy them. They will never offer a warranty like the good companies here, so they won't go out of business that way.

You do realize that a company like Sanrenmu/Enlan/Bee does not only sell its knives in the US. Even with zero US sales, they'll sell plenty in China, Europe, the rest of Asia and elsewhere. But they shouldn't be using Mr. Busse's trademark to do it. That's a distinct brand identifier, and using it means you're not just "borrowing" design ideas -- you're counterfeiting a product and deceiving the consumer.

I'd be curious to know Enlan's response to Mr. Busse's notice to them. If they ignore the notice, I'll think a lot less of them.

 

[Fanglekai]

I doubt Enlan will do anything to remedy the situation, but it probably won't matter. People who aren't into knives typically won't spend more then $30-40 on one. People who are into knives typically won't spend $80 on a Chinese one, knockoff or not, given that there's no guarantee of quality, no established reputation, and especially when there's no warranty. Add into the mix people who won't buy it simply because it's clearly violating trademarks from Busse.

$89 gets you a Scrapyard 511 with a lifetime warranty. ESEE knives come with a kydex sheath and lifetime warranty as well at the same price point. You can get a bomb proof Becker BK2 or other Becker knives for $55-70 that also come with a lifetime warranty. Queen makes a D2 skinner, drop point and hunter skinner in the $50-60 range, also with lifetime warranty. Buck has offerings as well. Same goes for Kershaw, Mora, and tons of other companies. If you're going to try to offer a cheap fixed blade that beats a $30 Mora or even a $10 one I say good luck.

So in the end I don't think tons of people are going to line up to buy these, especially if they offer poor performance.

 

[Ken44]

You do realize that a company like Sanrenmu/Enlan/Bee does not only sell its knives in the US. Even with zero US sales, they'll sell plenty in China, Europe, the rest of Asia and elsewhere.


I'd be curious to know Enlan's response to Mr. Busse's notice to them. If they ignore the notice, I'll think a lot less of them.

Yes, I did think of that after i posted. I did not know those three companies had the same owner. We may not be able to put them out of busniess, but we could hurt there US sales.

I don't think they will be ignoring Jerry's notice.

 

[Ken44]

yes, I am from China. but I am just a wholeseller of knives to ourside of China , I don't work for Enlan.
Why I started this thread is that I want to know if this knife will be popular to your guys and whether their price will be acceptable.
the price for these 3 blades will be around 50, 65 and 80 USD shipped.

It seems to me you started this thread just to advertise your new future product's. I equate it to Spam.

 

[Gadfly22]

Yes, I did think of that after i posted. I did not know those three companies had the same owner. We may not be able to put them out of busniess, but we could hurt there US sales.

I don't think they will be ignoring Jerry's notice.

I believe those 3 companies are affiliated. At least you'll see Bee and Enlan knives shown on the Sanrenmu product website.

 

[Fanglekai]

It seems to me you started this thread just to advertise your new future product's. I equate it to Spam.

Maybe not spam but it looks like he wants free advertising.

 

[Ken44]

Maybe not spam but it looks like he wants free advertising.

I though that when he first posted he was a distributor of there knives.

I think free advertising is called spam around here.

 

[Shotgun]

I don't buy from anyone that can't come up with their own designs and takes from others. Just me though. Looks like a blatant Busse theft to me.

+1

It can't be that hard to just come up with your own design and stop ripping off others.

Try it. I've drawn knives free hand only for them to turn out looking like existing knives. There's no such thing as "an original design" anymore. That being said, they do look like blatant rip offs.

 

[like em sharp]

Yes, I did think of that after i posted. I did not know those three companies had the same owner. We may not be able to put them out of busniess, but we could hurt there US sales.

I don't think they will be ignoring Jerry's notice.

Enlan/Bee are the same company, but SanRenMu is a separate company. And let's be frank here - their market is China. If knives show up in the US it's from eBay or from dropshippers like DealExtreme. This is probably such a small percentage of their overall sales as to not an issue if those sales suddenly dried up.

As for ignoring Jerry's request, again - good luck enforcing a trademark in China. With no US distribution or sales channel outside of one-off internet purchases, there's really no leverage to be had to enforce those sorts of requests. China is a separate country with it's own laws.

 

[Gadfly22]

Enlan/Bee are the same company, but SanRenMu is a separate company. And let's be frank here - their market is China. If knives show up in the US it's from eBay or from dropshippers like DealExtreme. This is probably such a small percentage of their overall sales as to not an issue if those sales suddenly dried up.

As for ignoring Jerry's request, again - good luck enforcing a trademark in China. With no US distribution or sales channel outside of one-off internet purchases, there's really no leverage to be had to enforce those sorts of requests. China is a separate country with it's own laws.

I'm interested in how you know that Bee/Enlan is a separate company from Sanrenmu. (And I'm just curious and not looking to nitpick you.) If you go to the Sanrenmu website and look at their products, you'll see Bee and Enlan knives there, with Bee looking like most of their "Athletic" line.

But I agree 100% that without US-based dealers, getting any response from a China-based company would be an expensive and troublesome proposition. China is a member state in the World Intellectual Property Organization, but, without US jurisdiction, enforcement would be based on local law. And good luck with that.