Extreme Judgement : just some spec's and a little splitting

Hello Steelhed,

glad to see everything is fine :)

Thank you and have a nice day! ;)
 
Marsupial,

Sorry to sound daft, but what is an SJ? What steel is it made out of?

A razor sharp edge on my SJ seemed vulnerable and I could never keep it from rolling over and getting dull.3V on the other hand along with D2(which I find similar in edge performance)seem to just be better in the edge retention dept to me
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5160 is the toughest steel I have used. I wouldn't mind trying some of the Shock series steels, like S7, used in Jackhammer bits.

IN my simple opinion, all the whoohaa about knife steels is just the industries way of selling more knives. More knives have been made, and used hard, from simple steels like 5160 and 1095 (or just simple carbon steel with no designation) than all other steels combined.

So while makers buffalo you with great namers liek uninfubtanioum and Xz73 Super Steel, most of it is just pure BS in my opinion. An old Schrade stockman with the bevels thinned out for whittling and opening feed sacks will out cut all the super duper tactical folders. Don't want it to close on your fingers? Use a little care and common sense when working with it.

An old Hickory butcher knife for $5 from Target is very similiar to what the frontiersman in the US used, i.e. the mountain men of fame. Fro field to hearth it will handle what you ask of it if you have the skill to use it right.

Most jungle dwellers live or die by a cheap machete, but make it perform way beyond what a ninjadeathmonger2000 could ever hope to.

If I want a big chopper, I'll have one forged from a big leaf spring like Bill Martino's Khuk. It'll be tough enough to handle any task I could dream of.

I am happy to see that Ferhmann builds his knife with thin edges. That is how they should come. Makers that build thick edged prybars do so because they are worried about warranties, and have no faith in their customers to actually use a knife correctly.
 
Hey JP no prob ,a SJ is a Busse Satin Jack.This is I feel one of the most versatile designs in the Busse lineup as far as side carrying blades go.And I apologize earlier about saying I have used a lot of 3V,what I have used a lot of is CPMs30V the stainless version.Dont get me wrong either infi is good steel but I see and hear a lot of stuff like it has no equal or rival,I know this is a matter of opinion,but there are alot of steels out there that clearly are equal or in some ways better than infi.Another point someone has raised here that has me confused was mentioning RANGER knives.I know that Ranger knives are made from Busse blanks and that Ranger knives bought these blanks for their knives,but in brigade quartermaster their steel is listed as 1095 carbon not INFI,what gives :confused:
 
... unless the edge on the Battle Rat was very thick...
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Exactly. The BR edge would be thicker (by the way Cliff is describing the EJ's edge); it's tough to compare the three steels without near identical edge profiles.
 
Hello Andrew,

could you tell me how thick the Battle Rat's edge is?

Thanks in advance.
 
marsupial said:
Another point someone has raised here that has me confused was mentioning RANGER knives.I know that Ranger knives are made from Busse blanks and that Ranger knives bought these blanks for their knives,but in brigade quartermaster their steel is listed as 1095 carbon not INFI,what gives :confused:
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Justin Gingrich of Ranger Knives did indeed buy a huckabucka 5160 blade blanks from Busse and they became the basis for the Ready Detachment series. Before then, he used whichever steel he felt was best for the job and now he still does that or uses whatever his customers request. For instance, I have flat-ground RD-9 variant in S7 and some folks have RD-7 and RD-9 variants in 3V.

Whether 3V is or isn't a super-steel (I believe that it is. So super that I don't any 3V knives yet), it's still being tweeked by Crucible and the heat treatment protocols are still being developed/perfected by various folks. Let's delay that jury!

Then again, with certain heat-treats, 5160 is a super-steel, as are many steels...
 
Oh! Thank you! :)

So, 3V is still being improved by Crucible!?! Great!

Why haven't they added Nickel, Nitrogen and Silicon for even higher toughness?

After all, Ni and Si are for a large part of the S7 and L6's toughness and N part of the INFI's toughness...
 
Dalko said:
Why haven't they added Nickel, Nitrogen and Silicon for even higher toughness?
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They could also remove carbon or vanadium to increase toughness. The maddening thing about metallurgy, even in the limited study of cutlery steels, is that the relationship between the elements between each other change in various concentrations and in response to various levels and durations of temperatures. Add in that there are several thousand varieties of tool steels and spring steels and that consumers crave novelty and the issue becomes very difficult to resolve.

Also, while the experiences of others are very important, they still aren't your own. The Final Judgement may fit your hand better than it fits some other peoples' hands (or you could modify the grip) and the knife you receive may have a stronger grind or better heat-treatment than another knife with the same name and steel (under the assumption that a defective guage may lead the heat-treater to draw an incorrect conclusion as I'm confident that Eric Fehrman knows 3V inside and out). Better to try to find out what fits your needs and desires than to assume that someone else's, anyone else's, experiences mirror what will happen with you.
 
Cliff, how does the cross section of the Fehrman compare to your BM? Is the cross-section of the Fehrman thinner leading up to the edge? What I am asking is, do the FJ and BM thin to the cutting edge at a similar rate?
 
Hello Thombrogan,

wouldn't removing some carbon and some vanadium from 3V decrease its wear resistance?

IF 3V and INFI have about the same wear resistance (which I don't know, but INFI has been reported as very wear resistant), 3V would therefore be less wear resistant than INFI... Is a loss for a gain a good idea?
 
another point worth mentioning is busses/swamp rats have a differential heat treatment (transversion wave tempering :confused: ) and i don't think the fehrman does. i would think a diff. temp. blade would be tougher overall but at the edge would it be?
 
We should move all of this 3V-versus-? discussion to another thread as it shouldn't detract attention from Fehrman's knives.
 
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