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craytab said:
I'm still in the boat of I'll believe it when I see it. That calculator is just that. Until there is litigation or unchallenged use in the states of the axis lock all of this is speculation. I mean we went from vehement speculation it was expired to speculating it is not expired. Who knows. I'll choose the conservative path for now in that until an actual authority on the subject rules, the patent is in enforcement.
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By that measure, you must believe that you are using a computer that infringes on IBM's patent.
The patents are very obviously expired, but there is no litigation that says so. Ergo, they are not expired and you are supporting infringement.
Same could be said for your multi-tool that was first patented in the early 1900's (and not by any of the current mfgrs), and for any knife that has a thumb nick for opening the blade, a "wave" or anything like it (Spyerdco's legal provision of their hole was for any removal of blade stock that allows to assist the opening of the blade), even the steering system for a car.

Or, do you just get upset for some assumed infractions and not others?
 
robgmn said:
By that measure, you must believe that you are using a computer that infringes on IBM's patent.
The patents are very obviously expired, but there is no litigation that says so. Ergo, they are not expired and you are supporting infringement.
Same could be said for your multi-tool that was first patented in the early 1900's (and not by any of the current mfgrs), and for any knife that has a thumb nick for opening the blade, a "wave" or anything like it (Spyerdco's legal provision of their hole was for any removal of blade stock that allows to assist the opening of the blade), even the steering system for a car.

Or, do you just get upset for some assumed infractions and not others?
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You know, we just finally reached a sense of closure and consensus and you give the pot another stir. There's a huge difference between a patent that we all now agree is still in force for the foreseeable future and an imagined infringement upon the inventor of fire. Please, stop bringing weak sauce to dinner.

Clones = bad
Weak sauce = bad
Double IPA = good
 
Theres only so many designs, blade shapes, and locks to go around but I definitely do not tolerate any replicas or fake versions of a knife marketing/claiming to be the real deal. However, brands like Ganzo are definitely within their rights to create knives with the "axis lock". It's not a world wide patent, so no laws are being broken. Also, Ganzo knives don't discredit Benchmade, Microtech, or any other companies they use ideas from. These knives are $20 bucks and are definitely NOT a replacement for the high end production knives. Some people are too worked up on clones, fakes, and copies, but they all serve a purpose in our economy/knife world. I welcome them, just don't prefer to carry something like that. Different levels of social stratification exist, and for some, that's how they get into the hobby. I don't hate on what others do when it doesn't affect me.
 
Hackenslash said:
You know, we just finally reached a sense of closure and consensus and you give the pot another stir. There's a huge difference between a patent that we all now agree is still in force for the foreseeable future and an imagined infringement upon the inventor of fire. Please, stop bringing weak sauce to dinner.

Clones = bad
Weak sauce = bad
Double IPA = good
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DIPAs overload on IBUs, plain old pale ales are the way to go for maximum enjoyment.
 
KingMC said:
Like O'Doul's? Or were you thinking of something else?
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Exactly. The three that I remember are O'Doul's, Sharps and Coor's Cutter.

I have not had anything like this in years. Not even sure if they are still made.

If they are we could start a fake knife and fake beer thread.:D

Then members like me would have two things to snivel & complain about.
 
sabre cat said:
Exactly. The three that I remember are O'Doul's, Sharps and Coor's Cutter.

I have not had anything like this in years. Not even sure if they are still made.

If they are we could start a fake knife and fake beer thread.:D

Then members like me would have two things to snivel & complain about.
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Would 3.2 beers count too Sabre? [emoji28]
 
There is already a beer and blades thread in GD, so making this one into something similar seems repetitive.

Also, considering the attitude from the owner towards counterfeits, I doubt a 'fake knife and fake beer' thread would go over well either.

Plus, it would mean admitting you drink fake beers, and I don't see that happening very frequently.
 
Hackenslash said:
You know, we just finally reached a sense of closure and consensus and you give the pot another stir. There's a huge difference between a patent that we all now agree is still in force for the foreseeable future and an imagined infringement upon the inventor of fire. Please, stop bringing weak sauce to dinner.

Clones = bad
Weak sauce = bad
Double IPA = good
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Well, thank you for deciding what other people should and should not converse about. The forum can now be closed as all topics have been covered at least once AND decided on.
I'm glad you also have made the final decision that Double IPA=good.
I will notify those who don't like it's taste and inform them that you have deemed they are incorrect and should just sit down and enjoy it :-)
 
robgmn said:
Well, thank you for deciding what other people should and should not converse about. The forum can now be closed as all topics have been covered at least once AND decided on.
I'm glad you also have made the final decision that Double IPA=good.
I will notify those who don't like it's taste and inform them that you have deemed they are incorrect and should just sit down and enjoy it :-)
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Don't forget telling them that "we know" they support counterfeit beer. ;)
 
cf1969 said:
Would 3.2 beers count too Sabre? [emoji28]
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LOL. Sure, if you want. I was thinking non-alcoholic but who am I to stop you?

I have as much power there as stopping someone from buying a counterfeit or homage knife.

To fake beer and fake blades!
 
sabre cat said:
LOL. Sure, if you want. I was thinking non-alcoholic but who am I to stop you?

I have as much power there as stopping someone from buying a counterfeit or homage knife.

To fake beer and fake blades!
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So, we need pictures of a Ganzo rip-off next to an O'douls? Does an O'douls really deserve that kind of company?
 
KingMC said:
There is already a beer and blades thread in GD, so making this one into something similar seems repetitive.

Also, considering the attitude from the owner towards counterfeits, I doubt a 'fake knife and fake beer' thread would go over well either.

Plus, it would mean admitting you drink fake beers, and I don't see that happening very frequently.
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You are taking my comments way too seriously. Sit down, take your boots off and have a fake beer. You might like it.
 
Hackenslash said:
So, we need pictures of a Ganzo rip-off next to an O'douls? Does an O'douls really deserve that kind of company?
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Or, does Ganzo deserve to be in the company of an O'Doul's?

It is my understanding that there are many fake beers on the market far superior to O'Doul's
 
I swear, it came right up in a search.

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