Feedback Needed: Dark Ops Stratofighter (Actual Experience Only)

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Brownie: Are you paid with cash or with knives for your endorsement?

I haven't stated that I endorse DOK knives. Until I do endorse their line over anothers product, the question is not germain to the discussion and just another of your stated opinions which are not based in facts.

btw Rat,

Do you have anything of value in the way of the OP's question here:

Feedback Needed: Dark Ops Stratofighter (Actual Experience Only)

Or will will be subjected to more trolling and thread drift from you on this question the OP wanted answered from those with (Actual Experience Only) :D

If we were to take your view here, perhaps we might ask whether you are receiving compensation by ER and/or their attys for your constant attempts to discredit DOK :D

Brownie
 
I haven't stated that I endorse DOK knives. Until I do endorse their line over anothers product, the question is not germain to the discussion and just another of your stated opinions which are not based in facts.
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Ah, but you have been endorsing Dork Ops knives. . . in fact the only things that bring you scuttling over from your personal tumbleweed collector (aka empty forum) are threads about Dark Ops or Brownie Pops. (in other words, subjects that you have a vested interest in)

Now you continue to avoid the question: cash or knives?

BTW- it is a question, not an opinion. . . don't act dumb. (assuming it is an act. . .)
 
Anybody ever see a design patent issued on a knife? I've only heard of features being patented. (spyderco hole in blade) The only feature on these ER knifes is cross bolt safety. Which I'm certain has been around in many forms for years, so you can't patent that no more than spyderco could the pocket clip. Walker tried to patent the liner lock and failed. I'm not sure you can patent a handle or blade on a knife. After all both have been around a long time. Even so the DOK's are not exact copies of ER. A design consists of the visual ornamental characteristics embodied in, or applied to, an article of manufacture. Since a design is manifested in appearance, the subject matter of a design patent application may relate to the configuration or shape of an article, to the surface ornamentation applied to an article, or to the combination of configuration and surface ornamentation. A design for surface ornamentation is inseparable from the article to which it is applied and cannot exist alone. It must be a definite pattern of surface ornamentation, applied to an article of manufacture.


In discharging its patent-related duties, the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO or Office) examines applications and grants patents on inventions when applicants are entitled to them. The patent law provides for the granting of design patents to any person who has invented any new, original and ornamental design for an article of manufacture. A design patent protects only the appearance of the article and not structural or utilitarian features.
 
Rat take off on SOG and Cold Steel what they did to get around BenchMade's Axis lock, Was that noble in in your view? It seemed to me at the time a pretty straight forward rip-off. There's some differences. Not a lot. Do you just own BM's with that lock? The BM i'm looking at right now is even marked Patent 5737841. Lets get on that now.
 
jill jackson said:
Rat take off on SOG and Cold Steel what they did to get around BenchMade's Axis lock, Was that noble in in your view? It seemed to me at the time a pretty straight forward rip-off. There's some differences. Not a lot. Do you just own BM's with that lock? The BM i'm looking at right now is even marked Patent 5737841. Lets get on that now.
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Cold Steel pay a licensing fee to Benchmade for the use of the lock. Do Dark Ops pay ER anything for using their design?
 
Ah, but you have been endorsing Dork Ops knives

No, I tested a folding knife objectively and extensively for strength of the overall materials to include the lock strength and pivot strength as is plainly seen in the review I wrote of that testing.

I've also tested other manufacturers folders while in that official capacity for the folders-r-us website for a few years until two years ago. The DOK testing was and is just another folder within a varied number that I've tested.

Oh, btw-I paid for the DOK with my pwn personal serial number, then tested the knife, not anything different than the Tarani Karambits I bought and tested, or the CRKT folder, along with many more includng the Spyderco Chinook 2 I carried for years at my own expense.

You make accusations of my character without any background and without the benefit a full set of facts in this subject. Thats to be expected from one who has shown everyone here reading this thread how you are quite willing to troll this forum and insert your own statements as if they were facts which are made from utterly baseless and apparently uneducated opinions.

BTW-We don't have trolls on the forum I run. You'd last about one post there until one of the real world ex mils or LEO landed with both feet all over you.;)

When, and only when you demonstrate to me you have someting of value to add to this or any other thread from real world experience within this subject or any other, I might be inclined to listen.

Until then, you are like so many on the net forums who have no practical experience yet spout off at every opportunity like you actually know what you are talking about.

Brownie
 
this knife performs great, and to me thats all that matters.

people seriously if you dont own this knife why waste everyones time arguring about it when he asked for replys for people with actual experience. if you dont have experience with this knife, then you dont know it sucks and have no right to say it does. No being a dick but it gets old when people talk sh*t about something they really dont know anything about. Just because of the way they advertise or you dont like how it looks give you no right to comment on the quality of build of the knife. Sure, theres many knives for half the price that are just as good, but non-the less its a quality knife.

and no i dont work for dark ops or get payed by them so dont even go there, because i know people would. I will get pics up of the knife soon also if anyone is interested...although great ones have already been posted.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
Cold Steel pay a licensing fee to Benchmade for the use of the lock. Do Dark Ops pay ER anything for using their design?
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Is ER patented design? Is any handle and blade style ? The axis lock is patented. As many knives as there are in the world and as old of a design the folder is I seriously doubt a handle or blade type can be patented. After all the DOK and ERK are not even the same exact knife. The Schrade was just like the Buck 110 and I doubt that Buck would have allowed Schrade to copy them if they could have stopped it. BTW I don't think Cold Steel or SOG payed BM A cent as the lock they are using is different than BM'S. Same type yet different enough to get around the patent. If they had payed I'd think it would be the same as BM'S.
 
brownie0486 said:
BTW-We don't have trolls on the forum I run. You'd last about one post there until one of the real world ex mils or LEO landed with both feet all over you.;)

Brownie
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No, you probably don't have trolls on your forum (or anything else). . . Plenty of tumbleweeds, though. . .

Of course, since I am not a troll, your insult is as inane as your forum. :D

I guess your definition of a troll is anyone who's ethics have not been flushed down the toilet?

Only someone lacking in integrity would knowingly support a company that steals their designs. The fact that you've continually tried to ignore this fact, and openly support an unethical company like Dark Ops says a lot more about you than you care to realize.

Your friend? Frank Miller is a thief (and a talentless hack who couldn't design a good knife to save his life).
 
There's really no 100 dollar knife built as heavy as the Dark ops. I payed 214 for mine and that was shipped. I honestly feel you can't buy a 1/4 thick folding blade with everything else correspondly as heavy for the money. I own close to 60 decent knives and the DO was not as bad of a buy for what I got for the dollar as some.
 
Keith,

The lockback folders have been around for quite some time as I'm sure you and about everyone here is aware.

The ER does not have anything proprietary in it's design. It's a lockback, has a glass breaker like so many others on it's tail end before it and so any comparison to something proprietary as in Benchmades case with a new design of a locking mechanism is not particularly germain or relevant here as you seem to be suggesting.

Again, if ER thought they were wronged or suffered some loss for something proprietary to their line of folders, that may have proprietary certain features similiar to their own, their attys would have moved on DOK. They haven't thus far, so there appears to be no teeth to the argument people are want to discuss in this matter.

Opinions are worth what you pay for them, no more or less. Everyone has one, and deserves to have one, or even several as some here do:). As long as we understand the opinions are just that and do not reflect facts in evidence, everyone can get along.

Me? I'm happy to just be able to answer the OP's question with facts in evidence and not subjecture and opinions that are baseless. Thats what the spirit of the forums are or at lest were intended for. A sharing of knowledge by all of us.

It's sad to think because of the anonimity we all have on the net that some would take that as some permission to be other than they actually are in real life. Will it ever cease? I doubt it.

One of the best edged weapons instructors in the world considers forums "cesspools" and refuses to participate in any discussion on them. Consequently we all lose the experience of the man because others are want to be argumentative and have nothing better to do in their personal lives, so they live vicariously through the internet.

We see that right here in this thread, a pefect example if there ever was one to point to relative the above thought process.

Brownie
 
brownie0486 said:
One of the best edged weapons instructors in the world considers forums "cesspools" and refuses to participate in any discussion on them. Consequently we all lose the experience of the man because others are want to be argumentative and have nothing better to do in their personal lives, so they live vicariously through the internet.
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That being said, thanks for coming by and see you the next time someone starts a Dark Ops or "Brownie Pop ™® ©" thread.
 
Deadhead Archer;

And a big thank you right back at ya for trolling this thread as well and adding nothing constructive in the way of anwering the OP's original question. Your post just proves the point I made previously.

Brownie
 
brownie0486 said:
Deadhead Archer;

And a big thank you right back at ya for trolling this thread as well and adding nothing constructive in the way of anwering the OP's original question. Your post just proves the point I made previously.

Brownie
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Just as your responses (and in most cases lack of responses) Have proven my points throughout this thread. . .
Thanks Brow-knee. :thumbup:
 
person who made this thread:

you should have specified at the start to ONLY respond to this thread if you have ectual experience with this knife and DO NOT even post here if you dont have experience with it. Because then you get this crap^^^....oh well what can ya do


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You continually reinforce what others already know here about your attacking members on this forum Rat.

I found this thread http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4288331#post4288331

where a lot of people are in agreement with the concensus I have about you from this thread.:D

Seems your people skills and general demeanor isn't just exhibited on this thread but rampant throughout the forum here. Now I understand it's not the thread, but you that needs corrective measures.

Here, I'll also let you have the last word now, and then you can feel better about yourself and further reinforce the idea with others that you have not been educated in the finer points of expressing your views without attacking those who you disagree with.:rolleyes:

Brownie
 
wasr10fmj said:
person who made this thread:

you should have specified at the start to ONLY respond to this thread if you have ectual experience with this knife and DO NOT even post here if you dont have experience with it.
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I could be wrong, but based on the research performed before the start of this thread, the thread's starter was well aware of the controversy surrounding the DorkOps Stratofighter and the high probability of the thread turning into a repeat of the same previous controversies.

Yup. . . .here it is in post #1:


Feedback Needed: Dark Ops Stratofighter (Actual Experience Only)

I just purchased a DarkOps Stratofighter and I have stumbled on this site. I did a search about this knife and majority are not happy w/ their advertising and most are not happy that it is a ER copy.
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GigOne said:
I could be wrong, but based on the research performed before the start of this thread, the thread's starter was well aware of the controversy surrounding the DorkOps Stratofighter and the high probability of the thread turning into a repeat of the same previous controversies.

Yup. . . .here it is in post #1:
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To be fair he did ask that only people who've used one respond; at least he tried to keep this from happening.
 
brownie0486 said:
You continually reinforce what others already know here about your attacking members on this forum Rat.

I found this thread http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4288331#post4288331

where a lot of people are in agreement with the concensus I have about you from this thread.:D

Seems your people skills and general demeanor isn't just exhibited on this thread but rampant throughout the forum here. Now I understand it's not the thread, but you that needs corrective measures.

Here, I'll also let you have the last word now, and then you can feel better about yourself and further reinforce the idea with others that you have not been educated in the finer points of expressing your views without attacking those who you disagree with.:rolleyes:

Brownie
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I see you continually trying (and failing) to discredit me, while avoiding the issues at hand.
Everyone else can see it too. Posting a link to a thread featuring that clown noss4 doesn't bolster your position at all.

It is also pretty obvious that "what you understand" is as limited as your scruples.
 
GigOne said:
I could be wrong, but based on the research performed before the start of this thread, the thread's starter was well aware of the controversy surrounding the DorkOps Stratofighter and the high probability of the thread turning into a repeat of the same previous controversies.

Yup. . . .here it is in post #1:
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Well, it appears that you did not read my entire post... And both of you are accusing me of making trouble by starting this thread??

"Setting those reasons aside, can the actual owners or someone who has experience w/ the actual DO Stratofighter, give me feedback on how well or not those knives are performing? How well does it compare to some high-end knives in the market? How well does the CTV2 steel holds up? How does it fit your hands? "

I can't believe some of the people here... People like you make me sick.:jerkit:
 
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