Fit and Finish - A Long Story

I've only owned one Emerson knife, the SOCFK, and it is an awesome blade.
I did sell it. I am a civilian and much prefer slicers and higher end fit and finish, exotic steels, and materials.

Just as Emerson claims, his knives are rugged and can take a beating.

My gripe?
Why all the boasting and bashing Mr. Emerson?
If sales are great and Emerson Knives are indeed growing then why is there a need to post such threads like this?

People will continue to feel and voice themselves the way they want whether it be negative or positive.
I don't think long, boastful speeches are going to sway anyone different on how they feel about Emerson Knives.

I guess I don't see the reason or need to defend yourself or your company if you have such a substantial standing.
As a consumer I care about the product, not the history of the owner or how wrong the "haters" are. Sure some may care about this, but isn't that what a Biography is for on your website?

From peeking in on a handful of your threads I get the vibe you like a good [or bad] argument.
Satisfaction out of calling people out on their issues or talking down to someone who may not have the same experience as you.

Obviously this is just my personal opinion and maybe I'm the only one thinking this way, but in all honesty it deters my interest.

As stated before, if business is so good [and I can heartily believe that], then why even bother with the minority group who "bash" on your knives?

You are obviously a very aggressive person and I personally think that your sales speak louder than your threads.

I can appreciate your goals in a knife, but I thought I'd share my 2 cents since this is a community with people who all care about one thing; knives.

Sincerely,
Nathan
 
edit- nevermind, I have no more emersons, so I should have never came here.

^ I do agree with the post above.
 
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Siggyhk said:
Well, I perhaps, should have shown more exceptance for others opinions in my post.

As for liner-locks, just because lots of companies produce them doesn't mean anything. The majority is often wrong. A liner-lock is with out a doubt a liability when it's put on any knife that isn't marketed as nothing more than a pure cutting tool. I've literally lost track of the liner-locks I've personally seen fail under spine-pressure and spine-whacks. Three manufactures that come to mind immeadiately include Emerson, Microtech, and ZT. I feel these "locks" should be painted with a broad brush.
But I know, I know, when was the last time you needed to cut something with the spine of a knife? Spine-whacking is abusive. Knives are for cutting. Use the right tool for the job. Ect., ect..
In the end, it seems my opinion of liner-locks isn't shared by most people. People think it's a great lock, and so I should not expect a company to stop using them.
A frame-lock is a totaly different animal and is "much" safer in my opinion.

Sorry to temporarily sidetrack the thread.
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It seems that your not very fond of liner locks. I've also read around here somewhere that a guy was using a framelock and twisting it in his using for something and the blade closed on his hand. So in that type of scenario a liner lock quite possibly would'nt have closed on his hand. I've got a custom cqc-8 with a very thick liner which i doubt would fail if used hard.
I like linerlocks myself granted alot of them could be made thicker to combat the problems which you've had. In the end their all folders and can be made to fail. If you want a knife that can stand up to a hell of alot of abuse get a fixed blade.
Maybe a Busse theres a member over there that just posted filleting a car with his. He's always cutting up cars and such. Good luck in your quest for a folding fixed blade. In the end if you want the best out there your going to have to pony up for it.
 
Ernest Emerson said:
Dear Wunderbar,

The bombs definitely f*cked him up. However, he was alive, taken captive, field interrogation was attempted and a vigorous effort to keep him alive was made by the SF medics on scene. He later died from wounds received by the bombs, concussive injuries causing internal damage to major organs.

I know the guys who were on the assault team and who dragged his sorry ass out of the rubble.

And also, we make a lot of knives for many pilots flying every type of aircraft in the US arsenal. They can carry whatever they want. I don't know what the pilots on that mission had on them. I can understand that you really don't know the relationship I have with all the Special Forces and Special Operations Units.

I learned a long time ago to always get your facts straight before you ever accuse anyone of a falsehood. It just makes you look foolish.

My Best Regards,

Ernest R. Emerson
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So is it FACT that in all these instances:

(all) of the Somali pirates were taken down. Al Zarqawi was captured and killed. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was taken captive. Osama Bin Laden was shot. all of those and hundreds more firefights
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no other knives were present besides Emersons?

Sorry but I just can't believe a statement like that...
 
Some of the attitudes represented in this thread are embarrassing.

Honestly , grow up and get over yourself people. You are not as interesting as you think.

Tostig
 
Ernest Emerson said:
Now, I'm going to tell you that Chris Reeves is a dear friend of mine. Sal Glesser is a friend of mine and Columbia River well, I really don't know them personally. Having said that, I will now say that those are the knives that I am most often compared to. All of them have fine fit and finish.

Now, with all due respect, I will also tell you this. None of those knives were present when (all) of the Somali pirates were taken down. None of those knives were present when Al Zarqawi was captured and killed.

None of those knives were present when Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was taken captive. And none of those knives were present when Osama Bin Laden was shot dead. Yet, there were knives that were present at all of those and hundreds more firefights, assaults and covert actions. Anyone care to guess what knives those were?


Ernest R. Emerson
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Buck110, This is what's unbelievable.
 
cevtv said:
You know what, no one cares what you do or don't believe. Sheesh! Get over yourself.
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You know what, you might be right about that. I don't particularly care about what he believes.

I just want popcorn cuz he made Emerson eat his own words:thumbup:, and you're butthurt about it:D.
 
Buck_110 said:
As far as edge retention is concerned, this is true. The PM process allows carbides to be distributed very evenly. In regards to toughness, specifically lateral flexing due to prying, ingot steel is superior. Powder metals, despite the type, will shear rather than flex if laterally torqued.

There are many videos plastered on the 'net of ingot steel knives being placed in a vise, laterally flexed, and returning to true. There's a reason why no videos exist showing powder steel knives performing this feat; they can't.
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Well said, the science of metallurgy is never linear; within the short decade of R&D it's always compromising, never some revolutionary break through.

For those of you dissing the liner lock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woG2l1FWI3Q
And let me note other types of locks failed this test.
 
The funny part is... Emerson has a better chance of knowing what was in the soldiers pockets than 99% of the people on this forum. Wunderbar included. :D
 
I would really like to hear Mr. Emerson's response to all of this. I know he checks the forums once in a while.
 
I carry a Leatherman and a ZT300 (sometimes a rc-4 too). Just putten' it out there. Most "operators" buy whatever is in the PX on sale. I'm not an "operator" but I am in harm's way quite often, would carry an Emerson in a heart beat though.
 
The broke soldier stuff doesn't fly either. The reenlistment bonus for SF was 120K in 2005 when I saw the bonus sheet at MEPS.

E7 base pay is over 3k a month. Plus hazard pay, jump pay etc. Seriously, they can afford to carry whatever they want. Most of the guys in a unit doing these ops are not fresh E5s and such. Mostly guys that have had a almost a decade or longer in the teams or units.
 
Some soldiers have knives given to them. A young man that I gave my waved 7 to wrote me the other day that an Iraqi soldier offered to trade his AK for it.
 
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