Friend of mine found old Knifetest.com video/ THIS is the Joe X DESTRUCTION VIDEO Thread

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Godbout1987 said:
There’s absolutely no reason for the edge to have explode like it did. Joe X is dumb but still it shows a problem in that blade
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Why is Joe stupid? Why are there so many attacks on a person who simply said what he thinks? When the knife held up at the beginning of the video, Joe praised it. when the knife broke, Joe said it was crap. I don’t see any problems, the person just voiced what he saw. his tests show what many steels are capable of under impact and lateral loads.
 
Vlad22 said:
Why is Joe stupid? Why are there so many attacks on a person who simply said what he thinks? When the knife held up at the beginning of the video, Joe praised it. when the knife broke, Joe said it was crap. I don’t see any problems, the person just voiced what he saw. his tests show what many steels are capable of under impact and lateral loads.
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He went far beyond criticism and went into "I'm a complete idiot" territory.
 
Vlad22 said:
Why is Joe stupid? Why are there so many attacks on a person who simply said what he thinks? When the knife held up at the beginning of the video, Joe praised it. when the knife broke, Joe said it was crap. I don’t see any problems, the person just voiced what he saw. his tests show what many steels are capable of under impact and lateral loads.
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To be fair I think it’s peoples reaction to bad sportsmanship. No one likes a sore winner. The knife broke, let’s fix it and see why and how it happened. Don’t devolve into name calling and reputation bashing when they haven’t even given the reputation a chance to defend itself.

Him being overly critical of Busse vs highly sympathetic of other knives failing shows he’s on a trolling mission to attack higher brands. Including esee tops barkriver etc. I bet he’d take a Busse steak knife and break it and still brag about it.
 
I’m surprised by how the blade steel chipped out like this. I expected more shock resistance and malleability . However that very thin stock blade made impressive work on the car.

I can be pretty hard on my knives and have done some stupid things to Busses. Regardless have been always extremely impressed (most older pre 2010 models).

My AFBM I’ve cleared huge bushes with roots, chopped tree stumps, smashed the blade into river stones in process. Batoned a lot of pre cut hard woods , and even Chopped a cinder block in half with the AFBM. Just some minor rolling and one small chip observed. It took me 10 min to rehone and sharpen, like new.

Also light prying but I feel the tip/edge geometry has its limitations on this version. I have no doubt I can snap the tip on this one fairly easy. However that’s not happening with the CGFBM, FFBM or NMFBMLE.

** I suppose one thing worth noting on my observations with the AFBM and the FF9
The steel on these has a more “tinny/hallow” sound when you flick the blade. This is just a random observation I noticed different on older models. Those all have a more “solid flat” sound even on the older thinner stocks. Ex. Zero tolerance BM and anorexic BA and MS, AK47, Cultellus,
etc 🤷🏼

Here’s my beater AFBM. Now I’m tempted to give this the beans for testing purposes.
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I watch Joe’s videos the way I watch a stock car race. I expect him to do serious injury to himself at any moment. I thought the knife did really well. It also looked like Joe was under the weather and repeatedly jumping into a frozen stream weren’t helping. I don’t think I have seen him hit the rum like that before. He was certainly not at his best.

But the continuous foul language, blasphemy and derogatory comments went well above acceptable norms, and detracted from the quality of the review. Jerry should ask for a rematch on the condition that he be neither sick nor drunk while filming and that he refrain from using unprofessional language.

Beyond that, we can take up a collection and send him a Samurai sword from the Home Shopping Network.;)

n2s
 
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So, I wanted to share this review. This shows how considerably more scientific someone can be, while still performing destructive tests. He was also very neutral. Unlike JoeX he would chop or baton at the same power level. He didn't swing for the stands with a Busse and swing a skrama like he is feather dusting. Now this is a very old review(2002) and does not apply to modern knives, but included just to show the process. Noss also destroyed two Busses and both were the two toughest knives Noss has tested.


Cliff Stamp said:
This blade belongs to Luke Freeouf, who post here as Lurkers. One of the things he was interested in was my impression of its edge durability.

To have a look at the edge durability I first just chopped up a fair amount of wood, (about 1000 chops total, not all on the same day). This was fresh wood, fir, pine and spruce as well as seasoned drift wood, and various scrap lumber. Knots were cut through frequently. The edge was fully sharpened, using waterstones and a CrO loaded strop, several times to enable the detection of even minor rolling. No damage was induced on the edge during any of the chopping.

The blade was then chopped into nails while they rested on a 4x4 pressure treated block. The nails would be driven into the wood from the force of the impacts, and cuts made up to about one quarter of the way through a three and a half inch common nail. The edge was not visibly damaged, just blunted. A 510 g ball pein hammer was then used to pound the knife into the various nails . Because the wood kept collapsing under the nail, the best that could be achieved was a cut about half way through the three and a half inch common nail. These various poundings (a half dozen) put small dents in the edge, from one to two mm wide, and the damaged region was up to 0.015" thick.

Some harder chopping into more nails was performed later. This time on harder wood which was higher up off the floor so I could get more power behind the knife. The cuts into the nails were deeper, the damage induced was more bending, but less extensive than the hammer assisted cuts. I then did some nail chopping on concrete. Since this didn't give like the wood, the blade cut far deeper into the nails. I could get penetration up to half way through the three and a half inch common nail. I then used a four and a half pound beach rock to pound the knife through the nails. The larger nails took one to two hits to be cut completely through. The damage from this was less than the hammer pounding, and the concrete tended to just mash the edge down a little in the impact areas, just blunting.

I then chopped into the head of the hammer. The knife made large cuts into the head, about one mm deep, and up to one cm long. This did no visible damage to the knife, just blunted it. I then found a piece of a concrete block that I had chopped up earlier and whacked that into little bits. These were hits heavy enough to break the concrete apart and send sparks flying. The rock contacts tended to mash the edge down, and you could see abrasion lines in the edge were the rocks had cut into the steel. A lot of impaction had taken place, but no direct fracturing. I then stabbed the tip into the pieces a half a dozen times breaking them up into smaller bits, some tip impaction, but nothing significant.

The attached picture was taken at this time.

Since the concrete didn't do any major damage I chopped into the beach rock a half a dozen times. This induced more impaction than the concrete, no surprise, it is a lot harder. I was hitting the rock hard enough to send it flying feet across the floor and producing visible sparks. The edge was impacted up to 0.035" across, the blade thickness was a little less than this behind the impacted region, about 0.025"-0.030". Again no fracture, you could clearly see the squashed steel. I then stabbed the tip into the rock, sending sparks flying and the rock shooting across the floor again. I did this a half a dozen times and it impacted the tip about one mm.

I then held the knife out at arms length and examined it for damage. You could tell that the regions that had been whacked into the beach rock were a little impacted, but overall it didn't look that heavily used. I took a few shots, and could not tell from the pictures that it had changed significantly from before. Cheap camera though, no ability to do close ups. So I take the blade and put it at a forty five degree angle and then give the edge a whack with the hammer. Success. This bends a piece of the edge enough that the ductility is exceeded and it tears off. This removed a piece of the edge about three mm long and the blade was 0.030" thick behind the damaged region. This damage was visible at arms length.

How was the cutting ability effected? After the concrete chopping the blade still had the ability to slice cardboard, chop wood, and slice various cords in the regions of heaviest damage. Though you could tell of course it was seriously blunted. After I whacked it into the beach rock there was no fine cutting ability left in those impact areas. You could still chop wood, but you were crushing it a lot, and the performance was seriously degraded. Of course there were lots of sharp areas left on the blade. Time to sharpen the blade on a small belt sander (1x30"), would be a couple of minutes, just a few passes per side would eliminate 90% of the damage, sharpening by hand, it would take less than half an hour.

The edge on the BM-E was the standard Busse asymettric edge, wider on one edge than on the other (0.038 x 0.058 -> 18.1, 0.048 x 0.089 -> 15.1).

-Cliff
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Cobalt said:
So, I wanted to share this review. This shows how considerably more scientific someone can be, while still performing destructive tests. He was also very neutral. Unlike JoeX he would chop or baton at the same power level. He didn't swing for the stands with a Busse and swing a skrama like he is feather dusting. Now this is a very old review(2002) and does not apply to modern knives, but included just to show the process. Noss also destroyed two Busses and both were the two toughest knives Noss has tested.
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By the way, I saw something similar on my little Busse whiskey. I chopped the nail and put the nail on the pry bar. and after contact with the mount, the edge broke off approximately 2 centimeters in length and 1 millimeter in width. This is what was in this test and what Joe had, but in Joe it had a more pronounced effect. but maybe over time the heat treatment became worse, the steel became harder, but lost its ductility... or maybe it has ductility and toughness, but low resistance to cracking.

I examined all my knives at various stages under a microscope. and I checked the hardness with special files, it is in the range of 55-60. I also sawed the steel with a file when I made the spines round. I drilled a hole at the end of the shank in a Whiskey knife and the steel is really hard... by the way, I destroyed a knife made of 1095 steel, I think 1095 is crap, the knife didn't even support my weight and after light blows with a hammer from the side the steel broke. Busse easily withstood the heavy sledgehammer! but when I hit with the butt of a knife from 1095, there were the same small chips as on INFI. I didn't make a video of this, I just did these tests for myself. but I have some photos and short videos of the destruction.
 
Vlad22 said:
By the way, I saw something similar on my little Busse whiskey. I chopped the nail and put the nail on the pry bar. and after contact with the mount, the edge broke off approximately 2 centimeters in length and 1 millimeter in width. This is what was in this test and what Joe had, but in Joe it had a more pronounced effect. but maybe over time the heat treatment became worse, the steel became harder, but lost its ductility... or maybe it has ductility and toughness, but low resistance to cracking.

I examined all my knives at various stages under a microscope. and I checked the hardness with special files, it is in the range of 55-60. I also sawed the steel with a file when I made the spines round. I drilled a hole at the end of the shank in a Whiskey knife and the steel is really hard... by the way, I destroyed a knife made of 1095 steel, I think 1095 is crap, the knife didn't even support my weight and after light blows with a hammer from the side the steel broke. Busse easily withstood the heavy sledgehammer! but when I hit with the butt of a knife from 1095, there were the same small chips as on INFI. I didn't make a video of this, I just did these tests for myself. but I have some photos and short videos of the destruction.
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I certainly don't think the damage is normal.
I took a thin mean street and hammered it into 1/4 inch thick cement nails for a total of 7 minutes. The first few minutes was with a mallet, then I switched over to a hammer. The edge indented but never chipped. I sent it in to Busse and had it back inside of 2 weeks. The indents were there but did not exceed the width of the bevel and the knife never failed. I don't even know how many hundreds of hammer blows that knife took

I also chopped into heavy duty copper tubing with an SHSHII that I had overly thinned out the edge to 8.5 dps(Varied between 8 and 9). That edge was none the worse for wear. minor indents.
 
I thought this thread was about a something else. Title didn't match the discussion. Maybe an edit of one or the other is in order. Now I have to see this video.
 
ScoMa said:
I skimmed through the video, as I don’t have time to watch it all. Missed the part about being derogatory to the man’s wife. That’s not cool. Curious what he said. If it’s in poor taste to post here, send me a PM, please.
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I worked as a roustabout. He said things that would result in broken teeth.
 
Knife performed well up to the rock. Looked to me like the rock was shaped and positioned so there was a distinct ridge where he was chopping. Assuming it was hard granite or something similar (edit: I looked up the HRc of granite and one study showed an average of five samples as: 89 HRc.) I think that did all the edge damage. Once you had all that damage you probably had stress risers that lead to the blade breaking on all the spine wacks.

Personally I buy Busse knives because they have big handles. All the rest is just an added bonus.
 
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I hear ya shunsui!
The main reasons I buy a Busse is because of ergonomics (the handles mainly) and the looks! Man, that FBM has got to be coolest lookin blade I've ever seen. And you can go on down the list, they're all so stinkin cool!!
And, like you say, the rest is just an added bonus! I dunno, I just like what I like
 
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