Friend of mine found old Knifetest.com video/ THIS is the Joe X DESTRUCTION VIDEO Thread

[Raoh67]

Guys, it's a show, don't get mad about the guy or his testing "protocol", it's only trash talk
Even if there's a little science to take, maybe should we focus on the steel reaction
We'll see how the ash2 compares
What i'm asking myself is why sr101 took less damages on the brick
I'm sending him a .25 one soon

 

[hugofeynman]

100% of those guys complaining on that video have never owned a Busse and were never going to buy one.

There are always aberrations and it's a basic concept in scientific testing that a sample size of one is meaningless.

Over the last couple of months I've done probably ten field trips into the Australian bush and carried a battle mistress every time. I've been clearing vegetation, digging dirt, hitting rocks - without even a tiny chip or roll.

The last trip I did, some exploratory bushwhacking into a remote area:

You can see how thick the vegetation is behind and to the side. It was like that right up to the tree trunk. I cleared the whole area around the tree using the battle mistress. The knife was chopping hardwood, going into the soil, hitting granite rocks, without any damage at all. I've done that three or four times over the last month. (Why was I clearing it? These are post-fire weedy shrubs and juvenile trees, stinging nettle and the like, so there is no problem with clearing them. They will naturally thin out any way. And I wanted a photo.)

After a bit of use the knife is dirty but unharmed. Can't say the same thing for my arms.

I counted about 15 leeches on each leg, and a whole lot had already fallen off. More were on my hands, arms, neck and head. There were so many I gave up pulling them off.

For those of us who use them normally rather than do tests for likes, Busse still works just fine.

“For those of us who use them normally rather than do test for likes” almost every knife designed for outdoor use will do just fine. With all due respect, I think people buys Busses for a little more than that.

 

[Newazzkikr]

I'm European customer and through the years I have bought number of Busse and Scrapyard knives. On each blade we have to pay custom taxes and value added tax which are rougly 30% more for each blade we purchase.
We all know Busse knives are priced premium therefore we expect premium performance. I also appreciate the fact latest newer models have thinner grinds for better cutting and sharpening capabilities and lower weight.
That being said Anorexic FBM is still a beast of the blade that should stand its ground and phenomenal reputation. From the earlier destruction tests by Noss we have seen great performance and resistance to chipping.
However from JOEX destruction test, the car door chopping was impressive but as others already mentioned the chipping on the stone brick wasn't expected and is something that any of us would like to see on premium steel blade like this.
I don't consider myself a fanboy but I do love all of my Busse and kin blades and would not intend to damage company reputation but must admit criticism as a resulf of JOEX destruction test is in place no matter how harsh of rude it may seem.

 

[Cobalt]

So I just finished watching the full video. 40 minutes long and thats with him speeding up much of his work. So definitely one of the longest videos.
I find the guy funny and entertaining. He was drunkish and you could tell he was putting much more power into his hits with this knife than previous knives. In fact he was downright soft on the skrama, lol, compared to this. Regardless, the knife fell apart at the end and not in an expected way. One test isn't a judgement. But tests like this give lots of into to the manufacturer, so I have no issue with this. Busse will analyze what happened, unlike other companies. Scientific destruction testing is nearly impossible to do. Although each test is a one off, there is still info to be gleaned off each.

I will say this, people should not get into the name calling trap because their pride and joy failed. JoeX is doing what he does and when Noss was doing his stuff he was getting flak as well. Noss was much more methodical, but the fanboys of the knives that did not do well, attacked the crap out of him. We should be above that. I would certainly drink with JoeX, though not that crappy Rum.

 

[tinfoil hat timmy]

if anyone uses their knife even close to this hard .... something went wrong somewhere and you should start thinking of where you will end up eternally

 

[MacLaren1]

So I just finished watching the full video. 40 minutes long and thats with him speeding up much of his work. So definitely one of the longest videos.
I find the guy funny and entertaining. He was drunkish and you could tell he was putting much more power into his hits with this knife than previous knives. In fact he was downright soft on the skrama, lol, compared to this. Regardless, the knife fell apart at the end and not in an expected way. One test isn't a judgement. But tests like this give lots of into to the manufacturer, so I have no issue with this. Busse will analyze what happened, unlike other companies. Scientific destruction testing is nearly impossible to do. Although each test is a one off, there is still info to be gleaned off each.

I will say this, people should not get into the name calling trap because their pride and joy failed. JoeX is doing what he does and when Noss was doing his stuff he was getting flak as well. Noss was much more methodical, but the fanboys of the knives that did not do well, attacked the crap out of him. We should be above that. I would certainly drink with JoeX, though not that crappy Rum.

...that ole shitty ass rum.he had....for some reason, that's what I remember most

 

[reaper11]

100% of those guys complaining on that video have never owned a Busse and were never going to buy one.

There are always aberrations and it's a basic concept in scientific testing that a sample size of one is meaningless.

Over the last couple of months I've done probably ten field trips into the Australian bush and carried a battle mistress every time. I've been clearing vegetation, digging dirt, hitting rocks - without even a tiny chip or roll.

The last trip I did, some exploratory bushwhacking into a remote area:

You can see how thick the vegetation is behind and to the side. It was like that right up to the tree trunk. I cleared the whole area around the tree using the battle mistress. The knife was chopping hardwood, going into the soil, hitting granite rocks, without any damage at all. I've done that three or four times over the last month. (Why was I clearing it? These are post-fire weedy shrubs and juvenile trees, stinging nettle and the like, so there is no problem with clearing them. They will naturally thin out any way. And I wanted a photo.)

After a bit of use the knife is dirty but unharmed. Can't say the same thing for my arms.

I counted about 15 leeches on each leg, and a whole lot had already fallen off. More were on my hands, arms, neck and head. There were so many I gave up pulling them off.

For those of us who use them normally rather than do tests for likes, Busse still works just fine.

This also isn't a proper representation as it is an older knife, an SHBM, not the AFBM. Different knives, different sizes and times made. Obviously the "test" is extreme, but I have questions regarding this particular run of INFI. Maybe this .210 run isn't proper somehow?

 

[Cobalt]

This also isn't a proper representation as it is an older knife, an SHBM, not the AFBM. Different knives, different sizes and times made. Obviously the "test" is extreme, but I have questions regarding this particular run of INFI. Maybe this .210 run isn't proper somehow?

0.210 isn't the issue. There has been much thinner knives made and tested hard. Could it be a batch? maybe. Could it be a one off? maybe. The ASH2 is about the same thickness and he still has to put that test out.

 

[hydeinmind]

Guys, it's a show, don't get mad about the guy or his testing "protocol", it's only trash talk
Even if there's a little science to take, maybe should we focus on the steel reaction
We'll see how the ash2 compares
What i'm asking myself is why sr101 took less damages on the brick
I'm sending him a .25 one soon

I couldn’t agree more with this statement. Will love to see how the .25 holds up. Also, ASH2 is my favorite Busse of all time! I own many, and am really curious how it will hold up against BS like this. For all I know this dipS freezes the blade off camera with liquid nitrogen before the block and pipe test. Who knows? Who cares?


That being said, if this was my AFBM. And I was doing only what he showes on camera hes doing with it, on say a 60 degree day. I would be disappointed with the “results.” I would send it into Busse for analysis and replacement. I would do my best to replicate the “test” and, if the “results” were similar, I’d pick a different Busse model.

Thought the DT12 did great before distruction, which is inevitable with this guy. Was it the sr101? Was it the resC? Anomaly? Combo? Who knows? Who Cares.

 

[reaper11]

0.210 isn't the issue. There has been much thinner knives made and tested hard. Could it be a batch? maybe. Could it be a one off? maybe. The ASH2 is about the same thickness and he still has to put that test out.

I wasn't referring to the .210 being a size/thickness issue but as this batch of steel they seem to have a bunch of. The Silent Knight is now the 4th run off of this batch, and the concerns you have, I mirror so......

 

[Fumetsu]

So I just finished watching the full video. 40 minutes long and thats with him speeding up much of his work. So definitely one of the longest videos.
I find the guy funny and entertaining. He was drunkish and you could tell he was putting much more power into his hits with this knife than previous knives. In fact he was downright soft on the skrama, lol, compared to this. Regardless, the knife fell apart at the end and not in an expected way. One test isn't a judgement. But tests like this give lots of into to the manufacturer, so I have no issue with this. Busse will analyze what happened, unlike other companies. Scientific destruction testing is nearly impossible to do. Although each test is a one off, there is still info to be gleaned off each.

I will say this, people should not get into the name calling trap because their pride and joy failed. JoeX is doing what he does and when Noss was doing his stuff he was getting flak as well. Noss was much more methodical, but the fanboys of the knives that did not do well, attacked the crap out of him. We should be above that. I would certainly drink with JoeX, though not that crappy Rum.

I'm attacking him because of his attitude, and replies to viewer comments. Users imply Jerry will lose weeks of sleep over this, and is in "hiding". Viewers have referred to INFI as "Shitfi" upon which he laughed. I'm all for testing and transparency. What I do not appreciate is his lack of support for a company willing to go the extra mile, with and for him. As I stated previously people in his situation would do well to have a little class and grace. And reading the comments and moreover his replies, does not sit well with me. There's shit talk, and then there's being a piece of shit about it. Of which I think he has done the latter.

 

[Cobalt]

I'm attacking him because of his attitude, and replies to viewer comments. Users imply Jerry will lose weeks of sleep over this, and is in "hiding". Viewers have referred to INFI as "Shitfi" upon which he laughed. I'm all for testing and transparency. What I do not appreciate is his lack of support for a company willing to go the extra mile, with and for him. As I stated previously people in his situation would do well to have a little class and grace. And reading the comments and moreover his replies, does not sit well with me. There's shit talk, and then there's being a piece of shit about it. Of which I think he has done the latter.

No doubt he is acting that way for clickbait. Sensationalism. And it worked, lol. I am sure he has personally talked with Busse. He did say some stupid stuff for sure. I am pretty sure he had way to much Rum. lol

 

[MacLaren1]

I wasn't referring to the .210 being a size/thickness issue but as this batch of steel they seem to have a bunch of. The Silent Knight is now the 4th run off of this batch, and the concerns you have, I mirror so......

I hear ya..... I bought 2 new AFBM's....looks like one is going to get one helluva workout soon.....

 

[Fumetsu]

No doubt he is acting that way for clickbait. Sensationalism. And it worked, lol. I am sure he has personally talked with Busse. He did say some stupid stuff for sure. I am pretty sure he had way to much Rum. lol

Be that as it may, Jerry has been nothing but generous and cordial with him. Jerry has worked hard to make a good company with a good reputation. Joe has a large audience and a responsibility to think about all of the factors involved. He was entirely too riled up about what seems to me, to be a dud knife or heat treat. Instead of being polite and expressing dissapointment he was drunk and expressed immaturity. Being drunk is not an excuse for idiocy. This is the man's livelihood and he gets drunk before giving information to his audience or making a very impactful opinion about something that has nuance.

 

[Cobalt]

Be that as it may, Jerry has been nothing but generous and cordial with him. Jerry has worked hard to make a good company with a good reputation. Joe has a large audience and a responsibility to think about all of the factors involved. He was entirely too riled up about what seems to me, to be a dud knife or heat treat. Instead of being polite and expressing dissapointment he was drunk and expressed immaturity. Being drunk is not an excuse for idiocy. This is the man's livelihood and he gets drunk before giving information to his audience or making a very impactful opinion about something that has nuance.

I completely agree with you. I just don't think this guy thinks more than an inch in front of his nose. He just does. Problem is that foul language usually demonetizes videos. So all that work he did and all the views he gets are for naught. When you bring a mans wife in a derogatory manner into the discussion, you have gone to far and he certainly did that.

 

[Fumetsu]

Its less the views and money. And more his opinion. Read the comments. I've read every single one. Somehow, this has solidified Busse as a crappy company that lies and uses sensationalism to sell knives. And he reinforces that with his replies. On top of being a smackable git. You're correct that its not mature to attack people, either. But I'd like to draw attention to that which people seem to be overlooking in favor of science. And that is his verbose animosity towards something that he knows nothing about.

 

[Jack of All Blades]

Getting a lot of people echoing to Facebook and YouTube that bladeforums is “deleting” peoples threads and won’t let people discuss the test which is absolutely false.

 

[Fumetsu]

Getting a lot of people echoing to Facebook and YouTube that bladeforums is “deleting” peoples threads and won’t let people discuss the test which is absolutely false.

And this is precisely what I meant when I implied his actions and opinion have consequences.

 

[Vlad22]

You can cut wood with a stainless steel kitchen knife... I was personally inspired by the Noss tests and for 10 years I considered Busse to be the strongest. check out Joe's other videos...many steels didn't get that kind of damage. but here the steel behaved like glass. so far the best results have been shown by aus8 and sk85

if anyone uses their knife even close to this hard .... something went wrong somewhere and you should start thinking of where you will end up eternally

it doesn't matter what Joe said, it doesn't matter if he was drunk or not... what matters is that the knife broke very quickly and that's the main problem. and there were many knives that you held much longer. If this is a defect, then all knives with this defect must be returned from the market. and you need to give him other knives to find out the statistics. and I repeat, I love my knives and my Busse have withstood a lot. although I received chips on my spine from blows. and I showed it on video, and showed the broken piece in the photo. My knife is 2015, but the 2017 and 2019 knife also behaved. and I saw similar chips after hammer blows on the 2004 knife that Noss tested.

 

[Anton41Beukes]

You can cut wood with a stainless steel kitchen knife... I was personally inspired by the Noss tests and for 10 years I considered Busse to be the strongest. check out Joe's other videos...many steels didn't get that kind of damage. but here the steel behaved like glass. so far the best results have been shown by aus8 and sk85

Agree