From Cattle Knife to Stockman!

The knife does look curious, Charlie, but whoever made it seems to know what they are doing. Check out the 3 spring Eurekas made by Henry Sears & Son (reprint in The Old Knife Book). They made the knives with either a clip or spear. I think Winchester (Queen) may have made the pattern more recently.
 
Three-springs are interesting, if somewhat thick to carry. You DO get three full-length blades often!

Folks, I took some comparison scans of Schrades, Cattle-to-Stockman, like the Case knives that started the thread. Hope they are useful!
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Nice #81s, SVT!! Looks like they live in the real world instead of an ivory tower!!

Wonderful Boker, herder!! Often it seems, there is a spey present, when there is a punch, on a Stockman!
 
waynorth said:
Nice #81s, SVT!! Looks like they live in the real world instead of an ivory tower!!

Wonderful Boker, herder!! Often it seems, there is a spey present, when there is a punch, on a Stockman!
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Thanks! Mine all get used. I don’t like untouched collections. I drive my cars, use my knives, shoot my guns. It’s the fun of having, in my opinion!
 
Talked to Charlie today about this thread and other important stuff!:rolleyes: Our discussion got around to the investigation that has been forth coming here about the transition from Cattle to Stock knives. So I attempted :oops: to photograph a few pages from the reproduced Schatt and Morgan Catalogs, this 1st pic is from the 1903 catalog and the rest from the 1906.....
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Dave
 
I found it interesting that in the `03 catalog they named the knives but not so in the `06, just the pattern #
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I included this page because of the stock knife on the right side w/ the Clip, Sheepsfoot and Punch! A combination I am Very partial to!! :D
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equipped with our piercing tool!! :p

Dave
 
Dave, very interesting pages. I've never seen one of the cattle knives with a large spey main and the pen third blade. And the swell centers are interesting in that they have the sheepfoot opposite the main, just like on a double-ended jack, with the pen third on the main pivot. They must not have been very popular.

I would still like to see an early catalog reference to a gunstock stockman, or about when they first appeared.
 
Some beauties, waynorth waynorth SVTFreak SVTFreak H herder :thumbsup: Nice catalog scans knowtracks knowtracks :thumbsup: I was hoping that the heritage series from Queen would become a regular line with new patterns added. Some great old patterns!

black mamba said:
Dave, very interesting pages. I've never seen one of the cattle knives with a large spey main and the pen third blade. And the swell centers are interesting in that they have the sheepfoot opposite the main, just like on a double-ended jack, with the pen third on the main pivot. They must not have been very popular.

I would still like to see an early catalog reference to a gunstock stockman, or about when they first appeared.
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It's not something that I've researched but I can share what I recall (and have evidence of).

The gunstock stockman is at least 118 years old. Possibly older. Stock knives are around 128 years old so there's 10 years or so that I'd have to search through to narrow it down further.

In general, the gunstock handle shape is very old and it was used on many different patterns ranging from small pen knives to large jacks... also budding knives.

I've posted several catalog pages that show pattern names. "Gunstock" was listed but the illustration showed a jack, not a stock knife. I don't recall seeing "gunstock stockman" as a description in old catalogs. Might exist but I don't recall seeing it. Often old catalogs didn't give pattern names but when they did, the ones that I've seen did not typically differentiate between variations of stock knives. Smaller ones were typically called "junior" but there wasn't typically much differentiation otherwise. One exception is that Simmons called stock knives with round bolsters "Vaquero".
 
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Ay Caramba! If a round-bolstered stock is a Vaquero (cowboy), what is a square-bolstered stockman called??
 
waynorth said:
Ay Caramba! If a round-bolstered stock is a Vaquero (cowboy), what is a square-bolstered stockman called??
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Premium stock knife. In this 1930 Simmons catalog, the example of a premium stock knife actually looks like it may have a gunstock shape. Vaquero is shown to the left of it.

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Here are some pattern examples from Ulster.

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Nice Stag Cattle, North Shore!!

Muchas Gratias for the pics Jake!! It is such an education, to be able to look back in those catalogs!!
I was looking for that almost-gunstock pattern (thought I had one) but found this one instead. A 3-spring whittler-ish Premium Stockman! Came from Albert Baer's sample drawer, I was told!
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Wow, this is incredible, almost too much to try and take it all in.
It's extremely confusing- there seems to be fuzzy lines- or somewhat of a Grey area that surrounds all the basic mainstream pattern names- because there are so many slight variants that derive from the mainstream basic models, Whittlers that aren't Whittlers, Stockman that are Cattle Knives or Cattle knives that are stockman and so on... but this is what makes it so interesting and challenging!
Must take some photos soon to add...
 
waynorth said:
Nice Stag Cattle, North Shore!!

Muchas Gratias for the pics Jake!! It is such an education, to be able to look back in those catalogs!!
I was looking for that almost-gunstock pattern (thought I had one) but found this one instead. A 3-spring whittler-ish Premium Stockman! Came from Albert Baer's sample drawer, I was told!
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Now that would be a useful bugger there!
 
waynorth said:
Nice Stag Cattle, North Shore!!

Muchas Gratias for the pics Jake!! It is such an education, to be able to look back in those catalogs!!
I was looking for that almost-gunstock pattern (thought I had one) but found this one instead. A 3-spring whittler-ish Premium Stockman! Came from Albert Baer's sample drawer, I was told!
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Man o man !!! From Albert's sample drawer :eek: Now that boggles the mind !!!!
 
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