Ganzo G720-B first impressions

[PURPLEDC]

I wasn't you are just having trouble following what is going on.

Oh, my god man let it go. You can plainly see that you asked the question a second time after i had all ready answered it. At this point I feel your goal is to purposely have this thread locked.

 

[Fuori]

You really are having trouble understanding things, which is probably why you can't grasp the problems with knives that are copies. If you post something to me I'm going to respond, so if you want to move on move on.

 

[PURPLEDC]

You really are having trouble understanding things, which is probably why you can't grasp the problems with knives that are copies. If you post something to me I'm going to respond, so if you want to move on move on.

Says the guy who tells people they are wrong yet doesnt offer anything resembling an explanation. What you fail to understand Is that I DO understand why people dont like copies, I just dont care. And, I simply dont agree that just because a knife looks similar that it means its a clone or a counterfeit. If the materials are different, construction method is different and the knife has no illegal use of branding then I dont feel its anything someone should be concerned about. You feel different thats fine.

I'd honestly like to know what the difference is between that Ganzo which rips off two companies and the fake ESEE Izula knives. Some don't even have the ESEE name stamped on them, so let's take those out of the equation. People are making copies without the ESEE name and selling them on the same auction site. Is that OK in everyone's mind as well?

Please explain the differences between that and the Ganzo.

That depends on who you ask. There are some who feel its only taboo if the knife uses false logos. Others feel if its identical its taboo regardless of logos. Then there is the group of people who actually claim that knives are clones or counterfeits if they can find ANY similarities between it and any other knife no matter how far fetched the parallels being drawn are. My favorite are those who simply move the goalpost. They will say its only about laws, then when you tell them about the laws and how they dont apply they get mad. There really is no set definitions and people will constantly change their views to "justify" what they all ready claim to know as the truth. I am not a fan of when they use logos. I will still buy the knife but I try not to put them back into the wild without modification.

Sigh...again...how is that knife any different than the ESEE clones on auction sites? Answer...it isn't.

I all ready answered your question. A whole paragraph. Go back and find it. But if you are asking how the knife in the thread craytab linked is any different than the esee clones then id say you have a couple crossed wires if you even have to ask. The knife in that other thread is NOT a clone of anything. So how is it different? (Read this very slowly as to not miss anything). The esee clones are clones or counterfeit depending on the logos. The knife in that other thread is an original design with obvious influences. Every knife made has influences. That is not the same as ripping someone off. If you think that a knife is automatically a rip off because the pivot is the same as another knife then you pretty much think everything is a counterfeit.

I found it and responded. You are the one not following the conversation.

Then why are you asking the same question again? You know what dont answer that. I really dont care.

I wasn't you are just having trouble following what is going on.

The only reason i got tripped up is because your supposed "answer" to my post was you repeating your same question. To which I didnt know if you were just being snarky (which we now know is what you were doing) or if you were referencing the knife in the thread that craytab posted as you interjected your comment without a quote in the middle of a change in conversation. But make no mistake you DID repeat your question whether it was rhetorical or not.

 

[Fuori]

Hence...you weren't following. Nothing new here. I appreciate you proving my point

I DO understand why people dont like copies, I just dont care

It's perfectly clear that you don't care about morals when it comes to this.

just because a knife looks similar that it means its a clone or a counterfeit. If the materials are different, construction method is different and the knife has no illegal use of branding then I dont feel its anything someone should be concerned about.

A copy looks similar because they are intentionally copying the design, it's different materials because it's a cheap knock off, but all that is OK as long as it has a different name? Wow...I'm sure a lot of people aren't concerned with that, but like the moderator said in the link from Crab I don't think they condone that type of thing here.

Again using ESEE as an example this copy taken from the ESEE site in their fake section, has a different name on it, looks the same because they stole their design and is made with different materials because it's a cheap knock off. By your definition this is perfectly alright as well. In reality it's not and there is no difference between what this company is doing and what Ganzo did with the G720.

From the fake ESEE section on their page

Actually ESEE4

 

[PURPLEDC]

Hence...you weren't following. Nothing new here. I appreciate you proving my point


It's perfectly clear that you don't care about morals when it comes to this.



A copy looks similar because they are intentionally copying the design, it's different materials because it's a cheap knock off, but all that is OK as long as it has a different name? Wow...I'm sure a lot of people aren't concerned with that, but like the moderator said in the link from Crab I don't think they condone that type of thing here.

Again using ESEE as an example this copy taken from the ESEE site has a different name on it, looks the same because they stole their design and is made with different materials because it's a cheap knock off. By your definition this is perfectly alright as well. In reality it's not and there is no difference between what this company is doing and what Ganzo did with the G720.

I know what you are saying. I DONT AGREE. If law and morals were one and the same there would be a lot more laws. What is immoral isnt always illegal. And what is illegal isnt always immoral. Esee may not like someone making a knife that looks like theirs but gibson guitars didnt like prs doing that either. In a court of law gibson lost and prs still makes its guitars. What about that esee is trademarked or patented?

 

[Fuori]

But there is a difference between you not agreeing and having threads supporting their purchase.

 

[PURPLEDC]

But there is a difference between you not agreeing and having threads supporting their purchase.

Im not asking to have threads that support the purchase of counterfeit knives. I am asking that once members who object state their opposing opinion they stop playing moderator and cease derailing what could have been an infomative thread. To those interested in the topic it looks like a child stomping their feet because they didnt get their way. We have mods. topics get locked all the time. I simply feel if people without mod status want something removed they report it. And if it STILL is allowed to remain then those who oppose should move on to topics they find more suitable to their pallet. The op was not posting links to buy these knives and no mod shut it down based on the subject matter.

And at a certain point after you have stated your opinion 4 or 5 times repeating it more doesnt add to the discussion but rather resembles trolling because some members would rather see this thread locked and tossed then let a conversation take place about something they dont agree with. That is why the powers that be call the topic a grey area. Its not cut and dry to many and we should respect all members and the mods decisions even if we dont agree. And seeing this thread has survived this long the the only thing thats going to shut it down is the bickering. My guess is you know this and persist because if you want it shut down one way or another.

 

[Fuori]

Im not asking to have threads that support the purchase of counterfeit knives. I am asking that once members who object state their opposing opinion they stop playing moderator and cease derailing what could have been an infomative thread. To those interested in the topic it looks like a child stomping their feet because they didnt get their way. We have mods. topics get locked all the time. I simply feel if people without mod status want something removed they report it. And if it STILL is allowed to remain then those who oppose should move on to topics they find more suitable to their pallet. The op was not posting links to buy these knives and no mod shut it down based on the subject matter.

And at a certain point after you have stated your opinion 4 or 5 times repeating it more doesnt add to the discussion but rather resembles trolling because some members would rather see this thread locked and tossed then let a conversation take place about something they dont agree with. That is why the powers that be call the topic a grey area. Its not cut and dry to many and we should respect all members and the mods decisions even if we dont agree. And seeing this thread has survived this long the the only thing thats going to shut it down is the bickering. My guess is you know this and persist because if you want it shut down one way or another.

People have the right to counter any post you have expressing that it's alright. What...we have to be quite and let you have the final word? I think not...that doesn't mean we are playing moderator or stomping our feet it means you don't get the final say and we have to be quiet. You have expressed your views 4 or 5 times and haven't stopped. I countered them with pictures and a theory supporting my position.

If you want to move on move on, but if your point is valid you can defend it. You are the only one saying people should be quiet and move on. If your points are valid defend them don't throw a temper tantrum.

 

[craytab]

Again, I'll just put this here in case anyone is confused.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...!!!!!!!!!!!-Oh-my-god?p=14693787#post14693787

I'll even quote the text in case anyone is unable to click on the link:

Quoted from the above link by a legit midnitesupermod:

"Bladeforums discourages emphasis on clones.

Bladeforums also discourages referrals to non-paid dealers, which includes both the clone-prone aliexpress and the better-known but non-supporting dealer Amazon.

Closed."

 

[Stoli89]

So, I now have a Ganzo G720-Orange. Some initial observations:

It's a big folder that fits very comfortably in my hands. I would not use this as a default EDC due to its size, but it is a very well constructed and robust knife that I could easily use without worry while camping/hiking/fishing/hunting. The blade, which came very sharp, is 4mm wide for 80+% of its length, very deep and with a flat grind. Action was smooth after an initial cleaning/oiling and break-in. NO blade play whatsoever. Fit & finish are very good. Bottom line...this knife offers exceptional value at a ridiculously low price. The only downside...it's heavier than my usual folders of similar blade length. I will likely skeletonize the well spec'd SS liners...this should help a bit in that department. Other than that...it's a winner.

 

[PURPLEDC]

People have the right to counter any post you have expressing that it's alright. What...we have to be quite and let you have the final word? I think not...that doesn't mean we are playing moderator or stomping our feet it means you don't get the final say and we have to be quiet. You have expressed your views 4 or 5 times and haven't stopped. I countered them with pictures and a theory supporting my position.

If you want to move on move on, but if your point is valid you can defend it. You are the only one saying people should be quiet and move on. If your points are valid defend them don't throw a temper tantrum.

The difference here is that this whole discussion is off topic. This was a review about a knife. No one asked for a subject change.

 

[PURPLEDC]

Again, I'll just put this here in case anyone is confused.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...!!!!!!!!!!!-Oh-my-god?p=14693787#post14693787

I'll even quote the text in case anyone is unable to click on the link:

Quoted from the above link by a legit midnitesupermod:

"Bladeforums discourages emphasis on clones.

Bladeforums also discourages referrals to non-paid dealers, which includes both the clone-prone aliexpress and the better-known but non-supporting dealer Amazon.

Closed."

It also says a little something about it being a grey area and that the discussion of such items for informational purposes only will be allowed. This was a thread posted as an informational review and lacked any links or urging others to do as they did. And since it was left up and not locked and discarded maybe the mods didnt see it the way you derailed it to be.

 

[Fuori]

The difference here is that this whole discussion is off topic. This was a review about a knife. No one asked for a subject change.

Who's playing Mod now

maybe the mods didnt see it the way you derailed it to be.

You spent half this discussion arguing why that knife isn't a ripoff of the Lion then you finally said, "I DO understand why people dont like copies, I just dont care ". If you are upset where this topic went look in the mirror and own up to your part.

 

[45Shooter]

Maybe if everyone just admits that craytab and Fuori are oh so morally superior to everyone else and that flights of angels will sing them to knife heaven, maybe, just maybe, they'll let the people who came to this thread to read about and discuss this knife do so in peace.

 

[PURPLEDC]

Who's playing Mod now



You spent half this discussion arguing why that knife isn't a ripoff of the Lion then you finally said, "I DO understand why people dont like copies, I just dont care ". If you are upset where this topic went look in the mirror and own up to your part.

LOL, you asked a question to which I provided an answer. No one asked for your opinion on a subject unrelated to the thread topic. Come on is that really all you got? And just because I dont think the knife that is the subject of this thread is a counterfeit it doesnt mean that I dont understand peoples problems with true counterfeits. It just means you and I dont agree on what a counterfeit is. And in reality neither of our opinions on what is a counterfeit even matters. The law matters. And there is no laws protect USA IP in china.

 

[PURPLEDC]

Maybe if everyone just admits that craytab and Fuori are oh so morally superior to everyone else and that flights of angels will sing them to knife heaven, maybe, just maybe, they'll let the people who came to this thread to read about and discuss this knife do so in peace.

Of course they are morally superior. I have always admitted that I am selfish. I buy what I want when I want from who I want and when I want it. My only considerations are my likes and dislikes as well as price and quality. And I wont apologize for it either. But even admitting that the dead horse will be beat till nothing is left but the dust of the bat used to beat the thing.

 

[Fuori]

And maybe just maybe if Purple and the others owned up to things and said...yes it's a rip off, but I don't care because it's cheap...starting on page one...and not defending it and making excuses as to why it's not that would have happened on page one. I don't want to read posts justifying why the blatant ripoff isn't. Just say "It is, but I don't care because I want something cheap".

 

[Fuori]

LOL, you asked a question to which I provided an answer. No one asked for your opinion on a subject unrelated to the thread topic. Come on is that really all you got? And just because I dont think the knife that is the subject of this thread is a counterfeit it doesnt mean that I dont understand peoples problems with true counterfeits. It just means you and I dont agree on what a counterfeit is. And in reality neither of our opinions on what is a counterfeit even matters. The law matters. And there is no laws protect USA IP in china.

Sure...

 

[rje58]

I do not support, condone nor condemn the production and sale of less expensive knives that are similar in design and appearance to other, more well-known and expensive knives. I do condemn the production and sale of outright counterfeits whose intent is to DECIEVE the buyer.

That said, I believe that those who excessively and overzealously denounce people who do like, purchase and use CLONE-style knives (as opposed to COUNTERFEIT knives) sold under different names with no intent to deceive or pass as "genuine" or "authentic" are hurting their cause - rather helping it.

Sometimes those who have a winning argument turn others against their positions - not on the merits of the argument - but rather because the manner in which they make that argument is distasteful.

 

[PURPLEDC]

I do not support, condone nor condemn the production and sale of less expensive knives that are similar in design and appearance to other, more well-known and expensive knives. I do condemn the production and sale of outright counterfeits whose intent is to DECIEVE the buyer.

That said, I believe that those who excessively and overzealously denounce people who do like, purchase and use CLONE-style knives (as opposed to COUNTERFEIT knives) sold under different names with no intent to deceive or pass as "genuine" or "authentic" are hurting their cause - rather helping it.

Sometimes those who have a winning argument turn others against their positions - not on the merits of the argument - but rather because the manner in which they make that argument is distasteful.

Sir if you were near my town Id buy you a beer. Root beer if you dont drink. Or a pepsi if you dont like root beer. Or juice if you dont like soda. Or water if you have acid reflux...... you get the point.