GB lock failed!~!

BloodGroove4570 said:
I hope you finger is OK.... Time to get an ESEE, Izulas are good drillers and i guarantee it wont fold up under pressure....:thumbup:
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I do EDC an Izula all they time when not at work. But generally I prefer EDCing a folder at work plus my Leatherman Wave.
Best knife I've used to drill so far, was the BM 530. I think I'm back to EDCing it for a while...
 
The Mastiff, you are a true gentleman! :thumbup:
The reason why doubting what I say makes me very upset, is because I rarely reply or especially start threads. I usually prefer to read to the most part, and learn. The thing is though, when I actually do post, I try to make it as honest and as real as a post as possible. I never bother with BS, since it ain't gonna give me anything anyway! many people don't think that way about me. Darn, people don't even know me all that well around here, so I guess you are right, there will always be doubters.
In regards to the stitching - I've cut myself so many times throughout life, without having the "proper" care and stitches after. By now it is simple for me, if I can still move my finger after getting cut, I will not see a doctor. If I'll have a sense or uncertainty, I'll def go check it out. Maybe it is not the right method of dealing with deep cuts and wounds, but it is the way I personally choose to handle this kind of occasions. This time the cut is deep, but my other scars would laugh at me if I took this new cut too seriously :D ;)


Liveitloud said:
Post up knife and cut pics. There's nothing we like more than blood and steel.
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LOL. I'm not a big fan of bloody pictures myself and I have got no camera except the cr@p one on my phone. But maybe I will try and do that, we'll see how I feel.

Again, thank you so much for all the advices and support fellas! Good to see that there are still true class acts in this world. I'll definitelly contact Spyderco this week and keep you guys updated.
 
I have a question:

When you used the knife how did you hold it?

The reason I ask is I have had a nasty cut due to a liner lock disengaging on me when I accidentally twisted and it failed. After some time I took my liner locks and investigated. What I found was that when I grip a liner locking knife my fat on my fingers would squeeze between the lock and front scale, with a slight twist this would cause the liner lock to disengage.

Now the way I understand the choil area on Spyderco liner locks that when held with index in the choil area even if the knife would disengage your finger will still be fine. This can be seen on many of the slipits. The knives that I have with a liner lock do not have a choil and that is why I was cut. If they did have a choil even if it would close the edge wont hit your finger first.

Ps. Hope you heel soon!
 
how big was the hole you were cutting? I personally think the knife should have held up by the way you're describing it.

funny how everyone is so afraid it might actually be the fault of the knife and no the user.
 
marthinus said:
The reason I ask is I have had a nasty cut due to a liner lock disengaging on me when I accidentally twisted and it failed.
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I would not call this a failure but rather an inadvertent disengagement. Rather like this.

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I hope you heal soon and well OP.
 
Well I'm no lock expert but I would think that the lock should have held (just my opinion) but regardless hope the finger heals up ok and I do think you should send it to spyderco and let them take a look at the knife and see whats required to fix it correctly . Don't want another mishap :)
 
Just keep drilling with liner locking folders and all will be well. I can see that you are right anyway.
 
marknett1 said:
Well I'm no lock expert but I would think that the lock should have held (just my opinion) but regardless hope the finger heals up ok and I do think you should send it to spyderco and let them take a look at the knife and see whats required to fix it correctly . Don't want another mishap :)
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A lock should hold under certain amounts of pressure. It's like safeties on guns, you should not depend on it.

I must of missed it somewhere, but why were you drilling holes in a car bumper with a pocket knife? Was it a plastic one?
 
Razorsharp1986 said:
The truth is in the eyes of the beholder!
...Snip...Nevertheless, the application of force on the spine made it fail, not the twisting. I didn't even start twisting when it failed! ...Snip
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Interesting, 'cause this is what you said in your original post...

Razorsharp1986 said:
:(
I was using my Gayle Bradley to make a hole in a car bumber today. I've used many knives for that purpose, quite numerous times. While I was twisting, the liner failed and the blade closed on my index finger, HARD! ....Snip
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And just for S&G...

Razorsharp1986 said:
I don't pry with my knives. And I don't own a Sebenza anymore.
Used plenty of Benchmades, never as a screw driver.
GROW UP!
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And from another of your threads...

Razorsharp1986 said:
I stuck the Opinel blade inbetween the door of the elevator, and using it as a prybar, forced the inside door to open.
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Wow, contradict much??:foot: BTW, I had no idea about the elevator post until mentioned a few threads above, so I figured I'd search. ;)
 
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Locks do fail. I've had liner locks and framelocks fail without ever knowing there was a problem to begin with. I don't make it a habit to do spine whacks so when a knife's lock fails and closes on me I'm always pretty surprised.

I don't think the OP was out of line with what he was using the knife for, and I definitely wouldn't call it abuse. Cutting a hole into plastic or wood is a common use for knives. It sounds to me like he buried the tip into the plastic and then was trying to cut a hole. This is not drilling. Drilling would be setting the tip and then spinning the knife in hand. To me, it sounds like he got a bum lock.

Razorsharp, you should definitely send the knife into Spyderco. That shouldn't even be something that you have to think about. When I have a knife and something is wrong with it I get it fixed. Why keep and continue to use a knife with a lock that is failing? That's just silly. Also, I know that you're young and feel that you heal quickly, but a deep cut can do alot of damage and you should always opt for a hospital visit. You can end up with severe nerve or muscle damage. You can even end up with a nasty infection and then you're really in trouble. Always better to be safe than sorry. I hope you feel better soon, but I would still go to a doctor and have him take a look.

To everyone else that jumped on the kid's back to tell him he's wrong and shouldn't use a knife, well I think some of you folks need to calm down a bit. We're all here to help each other and share our love of steel. We're not here to fight with each other as soon as you see an opportunity to do so. He may come off as a bit arrogant (no offense Razorsharp), but who wasn't when they were 23 or 24? Cut him some slack.
 
He was obviously cutting a plastic bumper. Did someone really ask if he was cutting metal with it? Seriously?
 
A few years ago I was playing around with my Chinook 3. Medium force spine whacks and hard stabs:rolleyes:, nothing ridiculous, or so I thought at the time, when the lock failed.
The blade closed on my finger so fast that it bounced off and locked open again. What did it do to my finger? Absolutely nothing. The big fat choil saved me from the painful part of an important lesson.
Any and all locking mechanisms will fail. It's only a matter of time.
I don't care if there's a secondary lock or pin or some crazy mechanism that holds 9001 pounds of force per mile of blade. It can fail.
For a knife to be considered for hard use, cutting anything that can potentially bind on the blade, it needs to have a kick, choil or flipper big enough to stop the blade from cutting my finger when the lock fails.

My suggestion for knives like the Gayle Bradly and especially the Resilience, is that they get a flipper. That's right, I said it, Spyderco should be using flippers. The GB wouldn't need a big one, just a little nub to catch on your finger, but it would make the knife much more usable in my opinion.
 
the knife obviously failed, so like you said, it must have been a lemon, or at least I'd like to believe so, but I guess Spyderco will take care of that for you
I've seen delica's used way much harder than what you said, with no lock failure, and I mean hard in the really hard way
and yes, what you used it for is a normal use for a knife, especially for a hard use folder like that, I use knives all the time for poking holes, cutting plastic bottles, and whatever I need to do and not be considered an abuse
Don't get me wrong, I know what is abuse and what is not, but after all they are tools, and are made for cutting lots of stuff, doing different things, not just for slicing paper, shaving wood sticks or buttering bread ...
as for the cut, sorry about that, and I must say, I am old fashion too, regarding stitches and doctors for little accidental cuts :D,
anyway, you made your point, anything can fail, even hard use folders, so it's good to work with maximum care and attention, regardless of the solid looks of your knife, be it folder or fixed
Cheers
 
What we have here is an argument between people who collect expensive knives, and people who USE expensive knives. If you use a knife, and the lock fails, the knife is CRAP. Whether it is because it made it past quality control, or because the materials used wore down over time. Either way, it is defective, and should not fail. As for saying "Any lock will fail with the proper amount of force" true, but the amount of force should be EXTREME. (i.e, no regular human should be able to put enough manual force into a knife to make it fail.) If it fails, even if it's a $500 knife, i would label it as cheaply made, poorly designed, or there was a failure with quality control.

For the last time, if anyone thinks cutting through plastic with a knife is abuse, you have no idea what knives are intended for. They were not created to cut paper and make feathersticks out of your chin whiskers, or to sit in a safe among thousands of dollars worth of steel. They are working tools, in this case, the tool did not live up to what was expected of it.
 
jacktrades_nbk said:
the knife obviously failed, so like you said, it must have been a lemon, or at least I'd like to believe so, but I guess Spyderco will take care of that for you
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how is it obvious that it failed?? we're only getting one side of the story, and it happens to be a story that the OP constantly changes his mind about. You can't say it obviously failed just as much as I can't say he was misusing it.

However, because of the fact that it closed on his fingers, I can almost certainly say that under MY definitions he was using his tool in the wrong way.

Drilling a hole in a plastic bumper with a folder isn't inherently wrong, however there are certain things you have to keep in mind. Rule number one is that you need to keep the angle of force moving how the knife was intended, keep it on the edge side, not the spine side. I've drilled with slipjoints in hard wood before with no problem. They have NO lock. And I've always been fine, why? Because I keep the force on the edge of the knife, even while using the tip, if you can picture what I'm saying.

Would I think a "hard use" folder should be able to drill a hole in a plastic bumper? Of course. Would I RELY on any folding knife to not close on my fingers if I am introducing lateral, twisting stress, as well as pressure on the spine? HELL NO. Same reason I USE a safety on my pistols, but do not RELY on them. AKA I don't go around squeezing the trigger of my loaded pistol with the safety on.

There's drilling, and then there's drilling, and then there's drilling.... Just like there's common sense, and then theres.... common sense.

I'd like to believe the OP, and I do think he should send it in just to be checked out. But him changing up his story isn't exactly helping his cause. People make mistakes, I've done stupid shit with my knives, but I've never tried to change up the story afterwards to try and make it sound like it wasn't my fault even slightly.
 
how would the liner fail and cut his finger so severely using a twisting/screw-driving motion, wile the knife would be seemingly penetrated into the bumper? wouldn't you have to be using another motion with a good amount of force for it to swing down and get'cha
 
Haze240 said:
As for saying "Any lock will fail with the proper amount of force" true, but the amount of force should be EXTREME. (i.e, no regular human should be able to put enough manual force into a knife to make it fail.)
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Then most folding knives ever produced are cheaply made and poorly designed. The body weight of the average adult male in the US (190 lbs) applied to the end of the handle is enough to overcome most locking knives sold today - no muscular effort needed, just lean on it. Half that is actually still overkill for most. Spyderco's "Very Heavy Duty" rated knives withstand 200 plus pounds per inch of blade, and the handle of a folding knife is longer than the blade (usually). Most locks on the market do not meet that criteria, nor are expected to. Not to mention slipjoints and friction folders.
 
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