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I remember reading some great advice somewhere about keeping your mind on whatever is good, pure, noble, praiseworthy, and to only use words to build each other up, not to tear down. This is the way for sure. But, we are human and we complain sometimes. Sometimes righteously, sometimes not.
I understand that discussing opinions of a company's products and practices can be seen as hateful and destructive when a good portion of the discussion is on the negative side. I'm choosing to see the best in my fellow man, CVamberbonehead CVamberbonehead . I believe he just had a few things to get off his chest and I see some other folks did as well. The discussion can possibly bring to light another way to look at the issues he's been thinking about so far. And, aren't we in the best place for this discussion? And, who is more qualified to participate in this discussion than the ones who have spent hundreds and even thousands of dollars on these products? Doesn't that fact speak louder than any nitpicking and griping?
I thank each contributor for taking time to share their input here.
 
Bloodloss said:
I believe he just had a few things to get off his chest and I see some other folks did as well. The discussion can possibly bring to light another way to look at the issues he's been thinking about so far. And, aren't we in the best place for this discussion? And, who is more qualified to participate in this discussion than the ones who have spent hundreds and even thousands of dollars on these products? Doesn't that fact speak louder than any nitpicking and griping?
I thank each contributor for taking time to share their input here.
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I get it, I think. We have a thread already dedicated to discussing all things GEC but I understand that for every one detractor, there is 50+ ready to swoop in and correct such transgressions. An exaggeration perhaps but I am of the mind that such a thread should be in place to discuss everything - the good, the bad, and the ugly - and that folks shouldn't feel unwelcome just because they have perceptions that don't align with the fans. That doesn't mean that that's always the case though.

I think GEC makes a stellar factory knife - it doesn't mean they should be immune to criticism and I levy it often when it's warranted. Unfortunately, I am of the mind that the angst surrounding GEC has more to do with their production/distribution model and the fact that they are notoriously difficult to acquire. Watching new folks, who are new to knives (and/or GEC) but not necessarily to "hot drops", swoop in and display a knack for scooping up everything leaves us regular plebes a bit out of sorts and it doesn't do GEC any favors with regards to its overall image. It's even worse for folks who simply want a knife (or five) to check out and see what all the fuss is about - being on the outside looking in and seeing the shark frenzy doesn't lend itself to a particularly palatable view of the brand.

I get it, I really do, but it's not something that GEC can control without making some pretty significant changes - which could potentially lead to an inferior product. Collecting every GEC is exhausting (I know, I did it for a wee bit) but now, being able to enjoy a release once in awhile without any stress is really, really good and I can attest to the fact that it can be done. You just have to be content with missing out now and then, which does make the occasional pickup that much sweeter.
 
Pàdruig said:
I get it, I think. We have a thread already dedicated to discussing all things GEC but I understand that for every one detractor, there is 50+ ready to swoop in and correct such transgressions. An exaggeration perhaps but I am of the mind that such a thread should be in place to discuss everything - the good, the bad, and the ugly - and that folks shouldn't feel unwelcome just because they have perceptions that don't align with the fans. That doesn't mean that that's always the case though.

I think GEC makes a stellar factory knife - it doesn't mean they should be immune to criticism and I levy it often when it's warranted. Unfortunately, I am of the mind that the angst surrounding GEC has more to do with their production/distribution model and the fact that they are notoriously difficult to acquire. Watching new folks, who are new to knives (and/or GEC) but not necessarily to "hot drops", swoop in and display a knack for scooping up everything leaves us regular plebes a bit out of sorts and it doesn't do GEC any favors with regards to its overall image. It's even worse for folks who simply want a knife (or five) to check out and see what all the fuss is about - being on the outside looking in and seeing the shark frenzy doesn't lend itself to a particularly palatable view of the brand.

I get it, I really do, but it's not something that GEC can control without making some pretty significant changes - which could potentially lead to an inferior product. Collecting every GEC is exhausting (I know, I did it for a wee bit) but now, being able to enjoy a release once in awhile without any stress is really, really good and I can attest to the fact that it can be done. You just have to be content with missing out now and then, which does make the occasional pickup that much sweeter.
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Yeah for sure it's fine to argue facts.

For some reason these GEC = BAD! threads always have the tone of someone giving a carpet store a one star review because they won't sell them a telescope.
 
Bloodloss said:
I remember reading some great advice somewhere about keeping your mind on whatever is good, pure, noble, praiseworthy, and to only use words to build each other up, not to tear down. This is the way for sure. But, we are human and we complain sometimes. Sometimes righteously, sometimes not.
I understand that discussing opinions of a company's products and practices can be seen as hateful and destructive when a good portion of the discussion is on the negative side. I'm choosing to see the best in my fellow man, CVamberbonehead CVamberbonehead . I believe he just had a few things to get off his chest and I see some other folks did as well. The discussion can possibly bring to light another way to look at the issues he's been thinking about so far. And, aren't we in the best place for this discussion? And, who is more qualified to participate in this discussion than the ones who have spent hundreds and even thousands of dollars on these products? Doesn't that fact speak louder than any nitpicking and griping?
I thank each contributor for taking time to share their input here.
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Thanks, great post! :)
 
Danke42 said:
Yeah for sure it's fine to argue facts.

For some reason these GEC = BAD! threads always have the tone of someone giving a carpet store a one star review because they won't sell them a telescope.
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In this case, it is more like the carpet left a bone splinter in my toe, which is a pretty good reason to not like the carpet store. lol
Also, for the 10th time, I think GEC is great. They just arent perfect. GEC=MOSTLY GREAT BUT NOT PERFECT!
 
Pàdruig said:
I get it, I think. We have a thread already dedicated to discussing all things GEC but I understand that for every one detractor, there is 50+ ready to swoop in and correct such transgressions. An exaggeration perhaps but I am of the mind that such a thread should be in place to discuss everything - the good, the bad, and the ugly - and that folks shouldn't feel unwelcome just because they have perceptions that don't align with the fans. That doesn't mean that that's always the case though.

I think GEC makes a stellar factory knife - it doesn't mean they should be immune to criticism and I levy it often when it's warranted. Unfortunately, I am of the mind that the angst surrounding GEC has more to do with their production/distribution model and the fact that they are notoriously difficult to acquire. Watching new folks, who are new to knives (and/or GEC) but not necessarily to "hot drops", swoop in and display a knack for scooping up everything leaves us regular plebes a bit out of sorts and it doesn't do GEC any favors with regards to its overall image. It's even worse for folks who simply want a knife (or five) to check out and see what all the fuss is about - being on the outside looking in and seeing the shark frenzy doesn't lend itself to a particularly palatable view of the brand.

I get it, I really do, but it's not something that GEC can control without making some pretty significant changes - which could potentially lead to an inferior product. Collecting every GEC is exhausting (I know, I did it for a wee bit) but now, being able to enjoy a release once in awhile without any stress is really, really good and I can attest to the fact that it can be done. You just have to be content with missing out now and then, which does make the occasional pickup that much sweeter.
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Yes, thanks. I just hate the groupthink and people dogpiling on anyone who dares to speak ill of GEC.
 
CVamberbonehead said:
In this case, it is more like the carpet left a bone splinter in my toe, which is a pretty good reason to not like the carpet store. lol
Also, for the 10th time, I think GEC is great. They just arent perfect. GEC=MOSTLY GREAT BUT NOT PERFECT!
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I think you are missing the forest for the trees.

These are slipjoints hand made by people. They are made by using contemporary methods to emulate knives made in the late 19th and early 20th century.

They do this well, and in that same vein, we have yet to see another manufacturer hit this mark as well as GEC does.

The definition of perfection can be associated with if they align with their intent, which it does.

Natural materials will have variance. Hand made products will have variance.

Disliking a pull strength, or a sharp corners are not issues, but rather a preference.

A lack of availability due to flippers buying them up to re-sell at a higher cost is an issue...sure. But that is not GEC's fault.

If there are indeed issues, I have not read any here in this thread yet.

I don't equate this as groupthink, but as being objective to what actual issues there may be.
 
CVamberbonehead said:
In this case, it is more like the carpet left a bone splinter in my toe, which is a pretty good reason to not like the carpet store. lol
Also, for the 10th time, I think GEC is great. They just arent perfect. GEC=MOSTLY GREAT BUT NOT PERFECT!
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I would say it would be more like the carpet store gave you rugburn.

For GEC I think the mostly great is what draws many people in. It shows a human element in the knives vs. a clinical more modern machine made and robot assembled knife.
 
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