Goncz Titanium Knife / Flashlights

[Cougar Allen]

Here are Kiessling's images (the code format is slightly different here).

PM6 - Goncz M3

SF M3 - Goncz M3

 

[TheBadGuy]

After a few minutes of constant burn time, the front end gets VERY hot and some smoke begins to rise! I checked the lens and it has deformed under the heat! Not good.

WOW, how long are we talking as far as extreme heat and smoke?? I had a power outage two nights ago and had mine on for about 20 minutes or so and didn't notice anything. Are we talking a LONG time or a matter of minutes?

 

[Goncz]

I AM BACK!

WHISTLER

We standing behind our product. The charger was retested by me personally and was working fine: Charging = Red, Charged = Green. The battery-pack was new set on which we made the test. You may have a dameged battery pack. You have a second pack, try it with that. If is working with that, than the problem is with the batteries not the charger. Remember they are 5 cells forming the 'pack' if any cell mulfunctioning, the whole pack is taking the charge and remains constantly Red as there is no 'feedback' to the processor to recognize the level of the 'charge'. If that the case we will send You a new battery-pack free of charge and appologies for the mulfunction.

If you tried the above and still dos not working, please send it back and we will repair or replace the unit. We will even reinburse you for the mailing cost...

As to replying the unpolite E-mails, we just ignored them or deleted and although the correction of the problem was sheduled.

BART

You are the 'Blechtromler'. I always respect the posting by olders and to be nice to them as to You as to my understanding You are much older than I. That what I was thought as I grow up. The posting You did it dos not tells the full story.

The facts are that You offerd to build a Webpage for us as at the begining we had some partialy completed one. I asked you; 'how much', Your reply: 'Firts see it and than You can make an offer'. I said if you build it and we like it We will give You an M-5 Rechargeable Light'. After you started to build it and you made it available for Us to look it and upon seeing it We realized that You have no idea to build a Webpage and to meet Our requirements. The fact is that what we was seeing it was: Amateurish, beginner, childish. Upon that we contracted other company to build one and everybody can see it and there is nothing is used from your work. And You lucky still got a M-3 light even that You brocke the basic rule by posting private mail. But on other hands the customs are differs from Countries. In Holland many things are legal: prostitution, smoking dope (hash, pot, etc.)

We feel this will end the beating of the 'Blechtromler' ('Metaldrum').

 

[Goncz]

COUGAR AND KISLING

Thanks for posting the products. For the time We will not make much comments, just the ones are findings.

As to the 'Generated Heat' by the bulb is high as high output bulb just the fact: is Heat.

The lenses are of Boroflow. To my knowledge the lens that was sent out had the Boroflow Anti Reflective coating on both sides and 2 mm. thick. In the beggining we used for testing polycarbonate and some was sent out for the show only. How that happened no Idea...

Please tell us if You can take the lens out, than We will send You the lens and sorry for the bulb left out, but We will enclose an Adaptor free of charge that You can make the M-3 into a M-4 without changing the bulbs as the existing bulb will take the Voltage.

We are not aquising anyone of anything but is strange.

As to the smoke: some unites were lubricated with wrong lubricants, low temp. instead of the hi-temp. The O-rings are silicone. The lubricant is not silicone base.

Nice pictures!

Thanks

 

[David Williams]

Mr Goncz, your website contains what looks like images stolen from Streamlight's website, Sure Fire's website and possibly Pelican's website. Hardly professional.

I'd like to see Bart's creation and judge for myself. If it was bad as you say it was then there would be no need for a re-draft. But if it's halfway decent then the decent thing to do would tell B@rt what needs to be changed and go from there.

Again, which lab did the testing on your flashlights?

 

[Goncz]

When, We have the full lab test completed, than we will post it.

No advance posting will be done !!!!

 

[TheBadGuy]

I'd like to see Bart's creation and judge for myself. If it was bad as you say it was then there would be no need for a re-draft. But if it's halfway decent then the decent thing to do would tell B@rt what needs to be changed and go from there.

I don't get this one. With all your personal opinions of John and his product aside, If someone offers to build you a site for something in return, they are pretty much contracted in some sense to complete the job to the owners satisfaction.

For whatever reason, the site was never completed, no pictures were ever added, there was obviously a lack of some communication and the job was never complete. I think a free light, no matter the model is more than appropriate. Now if he was using the site or some of the work the guy created it would be a differnt story.

I view this much like a trade or transaction in the Exchange here. Both parties must be happy. For whatever reason, John was not happy and had a site built somewhere else. Big Deal

There are 6 pages of people bashing the guy. Give him a break and let him try to make right. Hell your making me want to leave the country and get away from this mess

 

[BlackBart]

You seem to be conveniently dyslectic when it suits you Goncz... please read the mail you send me carefully.

Dear Bart,
Thanks for reminding me. I did not forget the promise
and I will keep it. As You know we had some problem with
the chargers and to correct that we are now getting made new chargers
and as soon as we have them we will send you one.
You bin kind to us on the CPF and we appreciate it.
In the meantime we had the wbpage made here locally not that they
are better but because the picture etc. made it easier.

And David isn't asking for your results, just the name of the lab testing your results...:yawn:

TBG, the question of completing the website or not the issue, the promiss he made to me is... I did NOT offer to build him a website for something in return, this was his own promise as you can read in the above quote...

 

[Goncz]

LABTEST

As stated before as soon as we will have it we will.

For the time being to Williams We owe You nothing, nada. or did we promissed You "Bulb Suckets" to.

We are posting the outputs, You questioning the output prove the opposite.

To Our record You do not have any of the light and may never seen one.
So You are in no position to make any statements or claims.

And just to inform You, we know who You are?

 

[TheBadGuy]

TBG, the question of completing the website or not the issue, the promiss he made to me is... I did NOT offer to build him a website for something in return, this was his own promise as you can read in the above quote...

OH, my bad. So you offered to build the site for FREE and for that task John offered to send you an M-5. You didn't complete his site, he is not using your work and sent you a M-3 for your effort and your mad?? You offered to do it for FREE, What are you pissed about?

 

[BlackBart]

Just read his mail to me and his promise... :yawn:
If his word means anything he would have send me the correct light instead of not sending anything until he was promising to make things right to Mr Ted Bear and here on this forum...

I was promised this light for work already done. the fact he chose not to use it is not my buisness, but his...

 

[kiessling]

oops sorry for the broken pics!
I corrected the error, they shuold show up fine now.

Hey John !
the lens is plastic for sure, and it deformed after 3 minutes of use. if you send me a glass or boroflo or whatsoever replacement and a xenon bulb I'd be happy to change my review to make it reflect your product better. in fact this would be a huge improvement, making the light really usable. you should still have my address.

a note:
even if I did not get what I ordered for a long time, my conversation with John was always a polite one. note that he accepted negative parts in my review without insulting me, so maybe something IS changing ...

bernhard

 

[wolfmann601]

"I did not forget the promise and I will keep it."

Nuff' said, a man is only as good as his word.....................

 

[David Williams]

Originally posted by Goncz
When, We have the full lab test completed, than we will post it.

No advance posting will be done !!!!

You have lead me to believe, and logically others, that the ratings of lumens, candlepower, lux and color temp listed on your website are the result of independent lab ratings. Now you're saying they're going to be done in the future. So that begs the question, where did you get the numbers posted on your website?

Originally posted by Goncz
LABTEST

As stated before as soon as we will have it we will.

For the time being to Williams We owe You nothing, nada. or did we promissed You "Bulb Suckets" to.

We are posting the outputs, You questioning the output prove the opposite.

To Our record You do not have any of the light and may never seen one.
So You are in no position to make any statements or claims.

And just to inform You, we know who You are?

I've never ordered anything nor asked for anything. Nor have I suggested I did. And if you noticed when you offered something to me I did not accept. There is an obvious reason for that.

I don't have to prove anything opposite. The job as manufacturer is up to you to first prove them done in the first place. That is why I ask for the listing of the lab you used to arrive at the numbers posted on your website.

And just to inform You, we know who You are?

And your point is?

 

[BlackBart]

I'm not sure who is smoking what here...
on page 1 of this thread you proudly yell your M3 puts out 815 lumens and on your site you must have used depleted batteries since the output has dropped to 450 lumens?

We are now shiping the lights to general public.
The M-3 is a "knock out" light with more than 815 lumen.
Water proof, Quick focusing, etc.

Both highly exaggerated I think...

Please do share the correct number.

 

[etp777]

Do'nt forget the progression from 500ft to 150 ft to 130ft(missed that one in my last post about this) to just "waterproof", no depth

 

[Jim Smyth]

Wow, just spent the last half hour reading this thread.

I am an avid flashlite geek too and own 10 surefires as well as a few other mag lites. I spent time testing surefires along with various other flashlites at my local gun shops in the area before purchasing them. I think Surefires are the best flashlite out there to date period. Clean white lite,proven,reputable flashlites with good customer service from what I read. My Surefires to date have had no problems. The only thing they don't have going for them is they are really expensive. Having said that I think Mr. Goncz has an opportunity to be able to get into the market if his flashlites are anywhere near as good because of his low price. But he needs to back up his numbers on the testing of his flashlites. He has said they already did intial testing and thats where they got the luman numbers. Now they are going to do side by side "unbiased" comparisons (at there factory?). I, like others that have already asked you to show where you got the "intial" luman numbers for your flashlites and from what independant labratory. Lets see the actual lab report please.

If I were a betting man and had enough money I would take you up on that $25,000 offer you made earlier in this thread about your luman numbers.

I work in a business that is 90 percent customer service. There are alot of choices out there and you have to be better than the other guy to get ahead and retain customers.You are the underdog here and you have a chance to make a name for yourself but with repeated attacts on some of your biggest flashlite geeks around and your spotty customer service, I doubt you will be in business for long unless you change your ways.

Do something nice for 10 people and 1 person will tell someone how nice you were to them. Do something wrong to 1 person and they will tell 10 people how $hitty your service/product is. Just food for thought.

 

[TheBadGuy]

Do something nice for 10 people and 1 person will tell someone how nice you were to them. Do something wrong to 1 person and they will tell 10 people how $hitty your service/product is. Just food for thought.

Never heard that before. Makes sense though

 

[Symphytum]

You may have a dameged battery pack. You have a second pack, try it with that.

In case the batteries were damaged it was your charger not me. As said before, I tried with both battery packs. Btw, is there someone out here with a working charger? Would give me a better feeling.

but in the meantime you posted damagin and untrue statements, ... The charger was worrking when it was shipped out, I rechecked myself. We believ that your statements are untrue!!!!!!

If that the case we will send You a new battery-pack free of charge and appologies for the mulfunction.

I'm surprised. It's the first time you are not blaming me for the defective charger. An apology for your behaviour to a customer would be nice indeed.

As to replying the unpolite E-mails, we just ignored them or deleted and although the correction of the problem was sheduled.

My mails were always polite. Despite all. Since you refused to provide me with a time schedule when/how/why... My mails were urging: 'PLEEEEEEEEEEASE RESPOOOOOOOOND!'

Just state the fact: You like the light keep it and we will work with you . If not ship the items back and we will refund you the money as I stated above, and we are even...

-I don't like the light anymore, due to your behaviour
-no word about giving my money back with the aid of a neutral person
-no word about the very special light you promised
-not even ONE mail to make all that talk a fact

 

[DaveH]

Symphytum,

How much are you out on the light, if you don't mind me asking? I was just curious, maybe someone would buy it off you as a tangible memorial to this thread!