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Goncz Titanium Knife / Flashlights
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g.b.:
I only became "negative" after you initiated the situation. Kind of a karma thing wrapped into a circular "you get what you give" reaction. Now that you wish to behave more gentlemanly, I will reciprocate.
And most likely give a little more than is received.As to your offer: I must refuse your most gracious offer to test a flashlight (with the option to pay for or return it after 30 days) at this time. As I have mentioned in the past, I do not believe that I am certified and nor do I have available adequate testing equipment for flashlights. I and my colleagues are more user's of equipment instead of aficionados or "modders".
I will inquire if there is anyone that would be willing to accept your offer (I would make myself responsible for payment or return) and I will advise in the near future. Although I am still concerned about the "overheating" of the charging units as described by some of the previous recipients of your system. Has this been addressed?
I would highly recommend that you attend the SHOT Show in Las Vegas (in that, now the Tactical Conference is most likely to be a thing of the past) in February to present and compare your lighting system. This would give potential buyers a chance to see and handle your flashlights without the "trial offer" that you have put forth to myself and others in the past. You might even have some on site sales which would probably make you quite happy.
Cougar is absolutely correct about this. Although I do not understand why anyone would maintain a business that is related to manufacturing as "sole proprietor" because of the potential liability issues (I had mentioned very early on in this thread) and it would be a much wiser position to have the business as a corporation or at least an LLC.
This is not meant to inflame anyone but I would also seriously consider maintaining appropriate business licensing.
All the very best,
Stuart
I still don´t understand why while offering new M3 flashlights up for trials and testing he still can´t get the paid for and advertised M3 parts out to unhappy M3 users. Fixing field problems and bringing the product up to the advertised spec doesn´t sound unreasonable to me.
- borofloat lense instead of the shipped and melted polycarbon one
- the paid for replacement bulb and the non-existing tail-cap spare bulb
- a replacement for the failing tail-cap spring would be nice too
Klaus
- borofloat lense instead of the shipped and melted polycarbon one
- the paid for replacement bulb and the non-existing tail-cap spare bulb
- a replacement for the failing tail-cap spring would be nice too
Klaus
Stu
It's good advice for GB to attend the SHOT Show. But as it is the Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor, Trade Show he might run into a few people who he has delt with before. Like the people that remember his lawsuits, threats and empty promises. It will be worth the price of admission though, to see him try to shuck and jive REAL industry people into believing his dog and pony show.
I for one could give a furry rats ass less if he shows or not, but it would be fun to see the "Mouth of the South" in person. Specially if he goes to one of the REAL flashlight booths and starts talking trash.
Yeti Man
It's good advice for GB to attend the SHOT Show. But as it is the Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor, Trade Show he might run into a few people who he has delt with before. Like the people that remember his lawsuits, threats and empty promises. It will be worth the price of admission though, to see him try to shuck and jive REAL industry people into believing his dog and pony show.
I for one could give a furry rats ass less if he shows or not, but it would be fun to see the "Mouth of the South" in person. Specially if he goes to one of the REAL flashlight booths and starts talking trash.
Yeti Man
A sole proprietorship can have a million employees.
However, a sole proprietorship, like a partnership, subjects its owner/s to loss of personally owned assets in case of bankruptcy and lawsuits, unlike a corporation, or a Limited Liability Corporation which is like a partnership. These latter type of entities protect the personal assets of the individual shareholders/members in most instances.
However, in many cases, corporations are owned buy just a few people and these entities have debt/loans guaranteed buy the personal assets of the individuals who own the majority shares of stock in that corporation. Otherwise, the banks would not loan them money.
Also, the tax implications of corporate status versus sole proprietorship, or partnership, status can be significant.:yawn:
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Gone, but not forgotton. RIP Ira.
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Hey Mike,
If Goncz continues to IGNORE your E-mail ship me the light. 20 minutes in the hands of the animals that work nights here and that light WILL be trash.
Then maybe Goncz will FINALLY answer an E-mail!!!
Of course nothing beats a Surefire and they actually survive the torture these animals subject their equipment to and since you are NOT gonna buy the light I can only presume you decided it is not worth the cost!!!
If Goncz continues to IGNORE your E-mail ship me the light. 20 minutes in the hands of the animals that work nights here and that light WILL be trash.
Then maybe Goncz will FINALLY answer an E-mail!!!
Of course nothing beats a Surefire and they actually survive the torture these animals subject their equipment to and since you are NOT gonna buy the light I can only presume you decided it is not worth the cost!!!
Ira, you'd be suprised on how well this light is constructed. Its material thickness is more than the Streamlight Stinger (at the head), and about the same wall thickness on the body.
This would be a great light if John would add a xenon bulb, and modify the tailcap switch so it is just a tad easier to use.
I think it could take some duty abuse quite well as is, but the run time on the batteries with the halogen bulb is way too short.
This is the M-3, 3x123A light, and not a rechargeable.
The only reason I won't purchase the M-3 is because it is too long for me to EDC easily. Now, if John would send me an M-2 to try out, with the xenon bulb, I would probably EDC it. I like the head of the light, and the focusing mechanism very well.
All of this negativity aside, I like the design, and would carry an M-2 every day.
This would be a great light if John would add a xenon bulb, and modify the tailcap switch so it is just a tad easier to use.
I think it could take some duty abuse quite well as is, but the run time on the batteries with the halogen bulb is way too short.
This is the M-3, 3x123A light, and not a rechargeable.
The only reason I won't purchase the M-3 is because it is too long for me to EDC easily. Now, if John would send me an M-2 to try out, with the xenon bulb, I would probably EDC it. I like the head of the light, and the focusing mechanism very well.
All of this negativity aside, I like the design, and would carry an M-2 every day.
CODE 3
Mike, thanks for the good words.
Please Email me the gentlemens phone who wants to carry it for trial.
Upon speaking with him, he may use it for 30 days.
From the new series M-2 we will send You one .
Thanks,
The informative Thread!!!
Mike, thanks for the good words.
Please Email me the gentlemens phone who wants to carry it for trial.
Upon speaking with him, he may use it for 30 days.
From the new series M-2 we will send You one .
Thanks,
The informative Thread!!!
WOLFMAN,
If You have a wild profesionals and they are looking for the right lights, We can ship one for thirthy days.
If it breacks fine, if not is laso fine.
And if you comparing it surefire, that is fine, but is unfair comparisson, as Ours is far superior: Focusable, waterproof, brighter light, bulb in the tail switch, fail save tail switch, non-reflective borofluat lense, bulb replacement $8.00 instead of $30.00 for surefire, multiple bulb choices, etc that surefire dos not have!!!!!! So if you like surefire, than You will love "The Goncz Hi-Tech lights"
"Until the Jet engine was invented, The Star Engine was the best"
The informative Thread!!!
If You have a wild profesionals and they are looking for the right lights, We can ship one for thirthy days.
If it breacks fine, if not is laso fine.
And if you comparing it surefire, that is fine, but is unfair comparisson, as Ours is far superior: Focusable, waterproof, brighter light, bulb in the tail switch, fail save tail switch, non-reflective borofluat lense, bulb replacement $8.00 instead of $30.00 for surefire, multiple bulb choices, etc that surefire dos not have!!!!!! So if you like surefire, than You will love "The Goncz Hi-Tech lights"
"Until the Jet engine was invented, The Star Engine was the best"
The informative Thread!!!
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as to the goncz m3, this is a little mini-review as far as build and modability goes.
bart sent me his goncz m3 for modifications, which it is undergoing now. i wasn't able to test the light in its stock form, because i'm out of batteries
the build quality was surprisingly good, it felt solid, and everything was machined very straight.
the only machining problem i saw was that the tailcap knurling was horrible, it was gouged and several knurls were missing, the damage took place before the annodyzing, so i know it happened in the factory.
i'm not sure what contractor he uses, but i'd probably consider them if the cost was decent. the machineshop evidentally has some very precise equipment...too bad its' being wasted on such poor designs.
while the machining is good, the design is quite honestly horrible. the tailswitch is a complete joke! i've seen better tailswithes on $10 asian lights!
it a momentary, with a twist-on for constant. the momentary action is horrible, and i wouldn't trust it in the water.
the tailswitch is currently undergoing modifications. it's a piece of crap.
there was no spare bulb, and no room for one.
the orings are horrible!
i could make better orings out of cheese!
they are orange and extremely susecptable to damage. you need to be careful when handling them, because you can slice them with your freaking fingernail!!!
they're also way too large in most places. smaller orings with shallower grooves would have been a far better choice.
the o-ring on the head doesn't even engage!!! drop it in a bathtub or toilet and i'd expect it to fill up faster than the titanic.
the focusing mechanism is quite nice. it could certainly be improved, but it works pretty well. i was actually surprised that it worked as well as it did.
the bulb mechanism. this is a joke also. the bulb is a bi-pin, and it plugs into a bipin-pr base converter bulb. the converter bulb is held in with a snap ring, and was a pain to remove. this was a very poor design choice. again, it was consistant with some cheap asian lights i've seen. maybe worse.
the reflector. the reflector is crap.
it's not nearly as reflective as other reflectors i've seen (surefire, pelican, streamlight, mag), it's horrible!
it's also waaay to shallow to work well.
i held the reflector up to another 5w mod, and only the very top of the reflector was utilized.
i won't go into details about the modding aspect here, but i ended up machining the reflector into a ring that will hold a pelican m6 reflector in its place. the pelican m6 reflector is many times superior.
the annodyzing is decent, but not great.
it's type 2, very inferior to the finishes available on surefire and arcs. the head has a purpleish tint, compared to the blacker body.
it's easily scratchable.
knurling. the knurling isn't that bad, but there are 3 different kinds of it! why not use one knurling style the whole way through?
as i said before, the tailcap knurling is crap.
this light has a borofloat lens, though it isn't coated in any way. it's held in place by a reflector that is tightend onto it from the back with a spanner wrench.
overall, i'd say that this light is somewhere between a $10 ebay asian knockoff and a maglite.
when i first recieved it, it felt pretty good in the hand. i at first thought that it would make a very good mod canidate.
after disassembling it i realize that such was not the case.
i thought of the focusing mechanism, the decent shape, battery configuration, and decided that it would be a good mod host, but then i thought about what makes maglites a good mod host.
they too feel solid, have a good focusing mechanism, and offer battery optsions.
the difference is that mags are cheaper, their orings are better, their switches are better, they're reflectors are better, and they're way cheaper.
machining: 8 out of 10 stars
cost: 0 out of 10 stars
looks: 7 out of 10 stars
designing and engineering: 1 out of 10 stars.
in it's stock form, it's a complete pile if sh*t.
after modding it, it can be a decent light, but modding is going to be a huge pain in the azz. i've already started machining the tailswitch and the head and the reflector, and i ain't done yet.
i would recommend almost any other light on the planet before this one.
*edited to add a couple clarificatoins*
bart sent me his goncz m3 for modifications, which it is undergoing now. i wasn't able to test the light in its stock form, because i'm out of batteries
the build quality was surprisingly good, it felt solid, and everything was machined very straight.
the only machining problem i saw was that the tailcap knurling was horrible, it was gouged and several knurls were missing, the damage took place before the annodyzing, so i know it happened in the factory.
i'm not sure what contractor he uses, but i'd probably consider them if the cost was decent. the machineshop evidentally has some very precise equipment...too bad its' being wasted on such poor designs.
while the machining is good, the design is quite honestly horrible. the tailswitch is a complete joke! i've seen better tailswithes on $10 asian lights!
it a momentary, with a twist-on for constant. the momentary action is horrible, and i wouldn't trust it in the water.
the tailswitch is currently undergoing modifications. it's a piece of crap.
there was no spare bulb, and no room for one.
the orings are horrible!
i could make better orings out of cheese!
they are orange and extremely susecptable to damage. you need to be careful when handling them, because you can slice them with your freaking fingernail!!!
they're also way too large in most places. smaller orings with shallower grooves would have been a far better choice.
the o-ring on the head doesn't even engage!!! drop it in a bathtub or toilet and i'd expect it to fill up faster than the titanic.
the focusing mechanism is quite nice. it could certainly be improved, but it works pretty well. i was actually surprised that it worked as well as it did.
the bulb mechanism. this is a joke also. the bulb is a bi-pin, and it plugs into a bipin-pr base converter bulb. the converter bulb is held in with a snap ring, and was a pain to remove. this was a very poor design choice. again, it was consistant with some cheap asian lights i've seen. maybe worse.
the reflector. the reflector is crap.
it's not nearly as reflective as other reflectors i've seen (surefire, pelican, streamlight, mag), it's horrible!
it's also waaay to shallow to work well.
i held the reflector up to another 5w mod, and only the very top of the reflector was utilized.
i won't go into details about the modding aspect here, but i ended up machining the reflector into a ring that will hold a pelican m6 reflector in its place. the pelican m6 reflector is many times superior.
the annodyzing is decent, but not great.
it's type 2, very inferior to the finishes available on surefire and arcs. the head has a purpleish tint, compared to the blacker body.
it's easily scratchable.
knurling. the knurling isn't that bad, but there are 3 different kinds of it! why not use one knurling style the whole way through?
as i said before, the tailcap knurling is crap.
this light has a borofloat lens, though it isn't coated in any way. it's held in place by a reflector that is tightend onto it from the back with a spanner wrench.
overall, i'd say that this light is somewhere between a $10 ebay asian knockoff and a maglite.
when i first recieved it, it felt pretty good in the hand. i at first thought that it would make a very good mod canidate.
after disassembling it i realize that such was not the case.
i thought of the focusing mechanism, the decent shape, battery configuration, and decided that it would be a good mod host, but then i thought about what makes maglites a good mod host.
they too feel solid, have a good focusing mechanism, and offer battery optsions.
the difference is that mags are cheaper, their orings are better, their switches are better, they're reflectors are better, and they're way cheaper.
machining: 8 out of 10 stars
cost: 0 out of 10 stars
looks: 7 out of 10 stars
designing and engineering: 1 out of 10 stars.
in it's stock form, it's a complete pile if sh*t.
after modding it, it can be a decent light, but modding is going to be a huge pain in the azz. i've already started machining the tailswitch and the head and the reflector, and i ain't done yet.
i would recommend almost any other light on the planet before this one.
*edited to add a couple clarificatoins*
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mr goncz said:
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"And if you comparing it surefire, that is fine, but is unfair comparisson, as Ours is far superior: Focusable, waterproof, brighter light, bulb in the tail switch, fail save tail switch, non-reflective borofluat lense, bulb replacement $8.00 instead of $30.00 for surefire, multiple bulb choices, etc that surefire dos not have!!!!!! So if you like surefire, than You will love "The Goncz Hi-Tech lights""
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ok, let me do the comparison here:
focus: generally speaking, surefires are tactical lights, and tactical lights arent' supposed to focus. surefires were designed to always be in optimal focus at all times.
some people prefer focusable, some don't. i personally dont.
waterproofness: my only surefire model is an e2e. personally, i'm not too comfortable with the water seal on it. there are some improvements i would make if i were designing it. other surefies probably fare better.
that being said, i'd trust my surefire waaaaay ahead of the goncz m3. as i said above, the orings are complete sh*t, they aren't the right size, and some of them dont' even engage!!!
i wouldn't trust the goncz m3 in the rain.
brightness: surefires and gonczs offer different models.
i don't personally have a 3cell surefire, and i haven't personally tried the goncz m3.
what i have heard from owners who have both say that the surefires are way brighter.
bulb in the tailswitch: this particular goncz light did not have a bulb in the tail switch.
failsafe tailswitch: i think by this, goncz means "lock out tailswitch". yes, surefires have this also. some of the earlier models did not, but most of, if not all of the newer models do.
i would trust a surefire lock-out tailswitch long before trusting a gonzo fail safe tailswitch.
non reflective borofluat lens: good freaking pinapples!!! yet another way to spell borofloat! i've never seen him type it the same way twice.
anyway, this particular light does have a borofloat lens (some have reported that theirs do not), but it is not anti-reflective coated! as far as i can tell, it has absolutely no coatings whatsoever.
surefire uses primarily pyrex lenses. i honestly don't know much about the differences between pyrex and borofloat, so i'll leave that for someone who does.
bulb replacement costs: first of all, the surefire lamps aren't necessarily that expensive. e2e lamps are closer to $15, and i'm actually not sure of what others may cost.
also, surefire bulbs generally last a loooong time. i've had my surefire e2e for over a year now, and up until recently i'd been using the stock bulb.
it has lasted for at least 10months without popping. i doubt the goncz bulb will last that long.
also, surefire lamps are lamps, whereas the gonzo lights use loose bulbs.
that means that the surefire lamps are always going to be at perfect focus, and if dropped or banged, they will not go out of focus. the gonzo bulbs are more susceptable to loose alighnment.
multiple bulb choices: surefire does have multiple bulb choices. hola and lola (high output lamp assemblies and low output lamp assemblies). surefire also offers completely new heads with led "bulbs" that's 3 different "bulb" options per light.
i'm not even going to get into all the other aspects where gonzo lights are inferior. i'm just contesting the points that goncz chose to bring up himself.
if you want a good light, go buy an arc or streamlight or pelican or surefire.
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"And if you comparing it surefire, that is fine, but is unfair comparisson, as Ours is far superior: Focusable, waterproof, brighter light, bulb in the tail switch, fail save tail switch, non-reflective borofluat lense, bulb replacement $8.00 instead of $30.00 for surefire, multiple bulb choices, etc that surefire dos not have!!!!!! So if you like surefire, than You will love "The Goncz Hi-Tech lights""
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ok, let me do the comparison here:
focus: generally speaking, surefires are tactical lights, and tactical lights arent' supposed to focus. surefires were designed to always be in optimal focus at all times.
some people prefer focusable, some don't. i personally dont.
waterproofness: my only surefire model is an e2e. personally, i'm not too comfortable with the water seal on it. there are some improvements i would make if i were designing it. other surefies probably fare better.
that being said, i'd trust my surefire waaaaay ahead of the goncz m3. as i said above, the orings are complete sh*t, they aren't the right size, and some of them dont' even engage!!!
i wouldn't trust the goncz m3 in the rain.
brightness: surefires and gonczs offer different models.
i don't personally have a 3cell surefire, and i haven't personally tried the goncz m3.
what i have heard from owners who have both say that the surefires are way brighter.
bulb in the tailswitch: this particular goncz light did not have a bulb in the tail switch.
failsafe tailswitch: i think by this, goncz means "lock out tailswitch". yes, surefires have this also. some of the earlier models did not, but most of, if not all of the newer models do.
i would trust a surefire lock-out tailswitch long before trusting a gonzo fail safe tailswitch.
non reflective borofluat lens: good freaking pinapples!!! yet another way to spell borofloat! i've never seen him type it the same way twice.
anyway, this particular light does have a borofloat lens (some have reported that theirs do not), but it is not anti-reflective coated! as far as i can tell, it has absolutely no coatings whatsoever.
surefire uses primarily pyrex lenses. i honestly don't know much about the differences between pyrex and borofloat, so i'll leave that for someone who does.
bulb replacement costs: first of all, the surefire lamps aren't necessarily that expensive. e2e lamps are closer to $15, and i'm actually not sure of what others may cost.
also, surefire bulbs generally last a loooong time. i've had my surefire e2e for over a year now, and up until recently i'd been using the stock bulb.
it has lasted for at least 10months without popping. i doubt the goncz bulb will last that long.
also, surefire lamps are lamps, whereas the gonzo lights use loose bulbs.
that means that the surefire lamps are always going to be at perfect focus, and if dropped or banged, they will not go out of focus. the gonzo bulbs are more susceptable to loose alighnment.
multiple bulb choices: surefire does have multiple bulb choices. hola and lola (high output lamp assemblies and low output lamp assemblies). surefire also offers completely new heads with led "bulbs" that's 3 different "bulb" options per light.
i'm not even going to get into all the other aspects where gonzo lights are inferior. i'm just contesting the points that goncz chose to bring up himself.
if you want a good light, go buy an arc or streamlight or pelican or surefire.
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"Until the Jet engine was invented, The Star Engine was the best"
Goncz>What is a Star Engine??? The Jet engine was invented in the late 30s but not mass produced until the middle 40s. I thought that Radials dominated in the 30s with the inlines and V designs gaining ground. In the 40s I thought that the Vs and Radials were in a dead heat, one better in one area and the other better in another. I have no idea what a Star Engine is. Is this a form of a Radial Engine???
Goncz>What is a Star Engine??? The Jet engine was invented in the late 30s but not mass produced until the middle 40s. I thought that Radials dominated in the 30s with the inlines and V designs gaining ground. In the 40s I thought that the Vs and Radials were in a dead heat, one better in one area and the other better in another. I have no idea what a Star Engine is. Is this a form of a Radial Engine???
ROTH...
Your opinion is so one sided, that is just plain stupid and ignorant.
Your statement is not worth for me to answer it or dignifying it with an answer!!! As to say to a stupid, that he is stupid degenerated would be offending him, and we do not want to do that...
All You guys from the CPF immigrated here with the "Madam" and were looking for business. For a while drumming and dancing 'Ponny Show' and than quite, my information was that the "Madam" and it's 'entourage' left with the 'Stage Coach' and no business, they were servicing "each others"... You get the picture!!!
You can make any statement it dos not mater as it dos not influence our sales as it growing faster than I ever dreamed. We are using the best material and the best "O-rings and they are silicone", but you do not know what is the differance between silicone and rubber.
If is such a crap than why are you spending any time to modify it or building it into an LED light. If I do not like a prodduct I throw it out and buy another products. So you contradicting your self in the most primitive way that a 3-rd grader can see.
From your postings I bet $100.00 that you do not even have a High School Diploma.
So get lost there is no place for you here among intellectuals!!!
The informative Thread!!!!
Your opinion is so one sided, that is just plain stupid and ignorant.
Your statement is not worth for me to answer it or dignifying it with an answer!!! As to say to a stupid, that he is stupid degenerated would be offending him, and we do not want to do that...
All You guys from the CPF immigrated here with the "Madam" and were looking for business. For a while drumming and dancing 'Ponny Show' and than quite, my information was that the "Madam" and it's 'entourage' left with the 'Stage Coach' and no business, they were servicing "each others"... You get the picture!!!
You can make any statement it dos not mater as it dos not influence our sales as it growing faster than I ever dreamed. We are using the best material and the best "O-rings and they are silicone", but you do not know what is the differance between silicone and rubber.
If is such a crap than why are you spending any time to modify it or building it into an LED light. If I do not like a prodduct I throw it out and buy another products. So you contradicting your self in the most primitive way that a 3-rd grader can see.
From your postings I bet $100.00 that you do not even have a High School Diploma.
So get lost there is no place for you here among intellectuals!!!
The informative Thread!!!!
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hey, there really is a Star Engine. Here is their last order before leaving aircraft engines.
In 1918 Star accepted an order for 400, V8, 80h.p. Renault engines.
After this order was filled. Star returned to the automoile business and went into receivership in 1938.
Yes, this was the best engine up until the Jet arrived.
Hmmmmmm
In 1918 Star accepted an order for 400, V8, 80h.p. Renault engines.
After this order was filled. Star returned to the automoile business and went into receivership in 1938.
Yes, this was the best engine up until the Jet arrived.
Hmmmmmm
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If I am not mistaken, the Star engines are for rockets.
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