"gosh" Giarsun Kung - burglar! WARNING!

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So really you (Gosh) are getting away scott free off a technicality. It doesn't have to do with the issue at hand but from account activity
previous to the dealing you had with Scavic. Paypal offers a vauge verdict of suspicious account activity whatever that means.
So Scavic's out $1000 for the balisong and $60 for the shipping service he paid for but didn't recieve. What I think you don't get is Scavic
did say he would not hold you accountable if the package was lost but it was under very specifc terms that you did not honor.
 
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gosh said:
Paypal originally credited Savic for the $1000 dollars until today. I do not have any power over what paypal decides to do. This paypal case was opened by Savic not me. After the case was opened there was a negative balance of $1000+ dollars on my account. After acquiring whatever paypal came across for unusual activity they are not refunding Savic his money. It's not a partial decision. It's a complete settlement. Savic is wording things in his favor which is fine with me. The above pasted post by savic is is not relevant as of today as far as paypal's decision. The decision was not based on shipping method it was based on unusual activity. Which if Savic you disagree you can bitch at paypal.

Alpha I can provide you with my paypal statement if you like. I'd be glad to send you a email I received from paypal today, since it contains my personal information I'd rather not post it.

So Savic are you claiming they awarded you some money? Why would they do some and not all? I can prove otherwise no money was awarded to SaviC in this case.
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gosh sent me his paypal account info and paypal did find in favor of gosh and it even says so.
 
If we could keep the current issue between gosh and savic instead of bringing other completely unrelated situations into this thread I'm sure it would be quite helpful.

I see absolutely no legitimate reason why gosh thinks it is right to not refund the money, he messed up, be it an accident or not it was his fault, he sent the knife through the wrong shipping after being told to send it a specific way multiple times, there should be nothing more to this story except for a refund of money and go your separate ways.
 
Gastonknife said:
Wow, Gosh - grow up and be responsible. Do I think you tried to scam him - no. But, you probably said to yourself - "Hey - I'll just pocket the extra $40-50 on shipping and send it my way" > not what was agreed to in the deal. There is no way it was an oversight, not mistake, etc > you just chose to do what you wanted and guess what - it back fired. Then (instead of showing some personal responsibilty) - you start a thread to defame another. I do not blame Savic - he had no choice but to file a claim with PP. You should appologize to Savic. Plain and simple. You are wrong - this is not even about an International shipment. You purposely chose to disregard what the buyer asked for and paid for. No way I would ever deal with you. You just keep digging your own hole deeper.
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+1

Time to man up.
 
At first I said Gosh "gave me pause," now it's clear that he's a complete tool. It's clear that he feels no remorse at all for dragging SaviC's name through the mud, still feels like he's totally justified like a complete victim, and now he's even starting another baseless accusation against SaviC: claiming that SaviC has some bad payment history with PayPal. Do you have any evidence of that, Gosh? Jeesh, I wouldn't do business with you to save my life.

SaviC, I hope some day I do get to do business with you, buddy. Sorry this tool put you through so much trouble. And when I send you something, it will be sent the way we AGREED.
 
gosh said:
Paypal originally credited Savic for the $1000 dollars until today. I do not have any power over what paypal decides to do. This paypal case was opened by Savic not me. After the case was opened there was a negative balance of $1000+ dollars on my account. After acquiring whatever paypal came across for unusual activity they are not refunding Savic his money. It's not a partial decision. It's a complete settlement. Savic is wording things in his favor which is fine with me. The above pasted post by savic is is not relevant as of today as far as paypal's decision. The decision was not based on shipping method it was based on unusual activity. Which if Savic you disagree you can bitch at paypal.
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We have concluded our investigation into the following case:

Transaction Date: Nov 11, 2011
Transaction Amount: -$400.00 USD
Seller's Email: giarsun@gmail.com
Seller's Name: giar sun kung


After careful review, we have determined that the seller is at fault but
regret to inform you that we were unable to recover any funds from the
seller's account.

We'll make every effort to recover the funds from the seller although we
can't guarantee you will receive a refund. For more information please
review our Buyer Protection Policy in the User Agreement.
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In that words paypal said, that something wrong with my account history??? It's usual lie from you. I didn't have problems with my account.
They said, that you have devastated your account and they don't know where are money. I know, that you are scam artist after that.

And it's lie, that now you don't have a possibility to refund money in full. When claim started, till the end you any time have a possibility to refund money - you have this option on paypal board of this clime. And your words, that now only paypal can decide, and now depends nothing on you - your usual lie!
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So Savic has been refunded the complete amount he originally paid?

Does Savic have the 1000$ (however much he paid you for the knife he never received after you screwed up in the way it shipped) in his hands (account) that he originally paid you?
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$400 still frozen because of his empty account... Paypal continue investigation about this case after my appeal.
 
SaviC said:
$400 still frozen because of his empty account... Paypal continue investigation about this case after my appeal.
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then it is very simple, Gosh owes you 400$ and another 40$ or whatever it was you paid for shipping.

It was neglect and stupidity on his part, he was given extra money to ship it a certain way and failed to do so. He is 100% wrong in this situation.
 
I read the other thread as it was going on and this one too. Taking Paypal, customs and everything else out of the equation, the one outstanding thing to me is that you did not ship as requested by the buyer. That, and that alone puts you on the hook (morally) for the refund.

Like it or not, you owe him the money imo.

I closed the thread so that this "he said she said crap" wont continue.
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In other words, you did not like the direction the thread was taking so you packed up your toys and went home.

Do we really need to go back and forth on this?
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Yes, actually we do because the buyer has not been made whole again from your mistake.

Damn it, yes for the the last time, I did ship the package first class by mistake, so yes I do admit fault on that end.
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And this is why you owe a full refund.

Now saviC starting up a new thread bashing me?
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Isn't this what you did when you started your thread?

This thread really is taking up to much of my work time, and now seems repetitive.
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Yes it does so pay him and be done with it.
 
SaviC said:
In that words paypal said, that something wrong with my account history??? It's usual lie from you. I didn't have problems with my account.
They said, that you have devastated your account and they don't know where are money. I know, that you are scam artist after that.

And it's lie, that now you don't have a possibility to refund money in full. When claim started, till the end you any time have a possibility to refund money - you have this option on paypal board of this clime. And your words, that now only paypal can decide, and now depends nothing on you - your usual lie!

$400 still frozen because of his empty account... Paypal continue investigation about this case after my appeal.
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Could you clarify the situation so far?

How much did you pay out to the buyer and how much have you been refunded to date?

Are you saying that you paid out $1040 and have received back $600 to date?
 
Bryan J said:
Could you clarify the situation so far?

How much did you pay out to the buyer and how much have you been refunded to date?

Are you saying that you paid out $1040 and have received back $600 to date?
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I paid $1060 for knife, Express mail shipment and PP fees.
Paypal refund me $660.
For $400 paypal wrote me, that they were unable to recover this money from the
seller's account. As I understood, his account is empty.
 
My opinion here is that both posters need to quit the arguing and focus their energies on actually taking the time to inform the postal authorities about this and actually try to find out where the package is and what happened to it.

I realise that because of improper shipping and obfuscated customs declaration this may not be possible, but that is the chance both parties took when agreeing to their terms. In the end neither party is absolved for their actions.
 
Karda said:
My opinion here is that both posters need to quit the arguing and focus their energies on actually taking the time to inform the postal authorities about this and actually try to find out where the package is and what happened to it.

I realise that because of improper shipping and obfuscated customs declaration this may not be possible, but that is the chance both parties took when agreeing to their terms. In the end neither party is absolved for their actions.
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As I see it, the victim is SaviC and he doesn't need to do jack. The "Gosh" joker needs to refund him in full, period. SaviC also bears zero responsibility for contacting postal officials, friend... he lives in a developing country, and that's exactly why he demanded Express mail service in the first place.
 
SaviC said:
I paid $1060 for knife, Express mail shipment and PP fees.
Paypal refund me $660.
For $400 paypal wrote me, that they were unable to recover this money from the
seller's account. As I understood, his account is empty.
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Okay, I see now. So, despite what this seller is claiming, what really happened is that PayPal issued you a full refund, but could only pull so much out of the seller's bank account. That is, the seller transferred some of the money out of his account before PayPal could get at it.

If this is correct, contact me via email or PM and I'll explain how you can unambiguously prove this fact.
 
Magnaminous_G said:
As I see it, the victim is SaviC and he doesn't need to do jack. The "Gosh" joker needs to refund him in full, period. SaviC also bears zero responsibility for contacting postal officials, friend... he lives in a developing country, and that's exactly why he demanded Express mail service in the first place.
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As "you" see it is exactly right.

As SaviC has stated, how do we know the package was actually sent? How do we know this isnt a scam and SaviC has already recieved the knife and wants the money too? How do we actually know which party was Refunded since both are "claiming" they were refunded? It wouldnt be the first time such scams have been done. Until both parties prove their facts with more than insinuation and argument noone here has the proof needed to make a judgement one way or another and any speculation is just that....

The only thing that is clear in this thread is that both parties agreed to terms that would leave them hanging if the package went astray and both are at fault for that and the improper mailing of the object will probably make it so even the parties involved may never know.

Still it wouldnt hurt both to stop the bickering and try to find the package.
 
Karda said:
Still it wouldnt hurt both to stop the bickering and try to find the package.
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I paid for USPS Express specially for having possibility to find a packet at any time. Without normal tracking information - how I can find it now from my side?
My postal service can't give me an information about untraceable packets. Where I should find it?
 
SaviC said:
I paid for USPS Express specially for having possibility to find a packet at any time. Without normal tracking information - how I can find it now from my side?
My postal service can't give me an information about untraceable packets. Where I should find it?
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Possibly by using both yours and the senders name and address? Including how and when it was sent?
Sender should do the same. If both of you are looking from both ends perhaps it will pop up somewhere or some info on it may be found.
 
Contact yur local customs office and ask if there is any packages on hold with your name and addrss as the recipient. That is what I would do.
 
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