gravelface aka jason

if a mechanic was working on your car and you called, and emailed him after seven months but you didnt have your car, would you consider your car stolen or would you be calling the mechanic a good guy?
 
Yeah, I hate when Folks Back Out of Deals.

Some guys have Better Excuses than others.

Some don't even give excuses and just ignore you without the Benefit of an explanation and you are left holding the Proverbial Bag.

Well, that is life on the karma-go-round, eh?
 
markksr said:
He was online yesterday at 1:08 and again today...

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you got a dog in this fight, or just like to stir the pot? seems like there's enough going on around here without more help from you, or me either for that matter. having said that, there's no excuse that i know of for jason not taking care of business, but then again i'm not in his shoes. you guys can call his cell phone all you want but if dude's in the hospital he's not going to answer it any more the 99th time than the first time. i'm sure he'll make good and if he doesn't then i'll pick up a share of what needs to be done to make sure things are right, as i'm sure many others will around here too. DOL, you should know better than anyone about how HOG folk step up to help there own, and how stuff happens that we have no control over.

Winston
 
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Winston Smith said:
either one of you got a dog in this fight, or just like to stir the pot? seems like there's enough going on around here without more help from you, or me either for that matter. ...
Winston
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FWIW, someone stated earlier in this thread that Gravelface hadn't been online lately, I was correcting this error. On top of that, this is an open forum in which anyone is free to reply, and if you don't like that, then too bad.:p
 
Guyon said:
You're out of line then. The GB&U is the place for this business, and you already have a thread there--one in which you are the only person complaining about "someone" you do not name. It just seems like you're trying to smear Gravelface publicly with this thread. The Busse forum is not the place for such matters.

Again, your frustrations are justified more than likely. But your choice of language is not. If you were *just* looking for contact info, then a simple, "Anyone know how I can get ahold of Gravelface?" would have sufficed.

BTW, this is me co-signing. I honestly do not believe Jason has stolen anything.
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I'll second that.

vtw, I do understand where you are coming from and communication is indeed extremely important no doubt, especially when your property is in the hands of another for this long... But I honestly believe that Jason does not intend to keep your knives. If I see him online, I'll shoot him a PM and ask him to get in touch with you.

DOL, I successfully backed you up over different but somewhat similar accusations against you involving knives for charity earlier this year, remember? Perhaps you should not be so anxious to jump on another at this point knowing how it feels to be accused... Your situation with Jason is easier to resolve, but I will post this thought on your thread as it belongs there & not here.
 
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valleytinworks said:
if a mechanic was working on your car and you called, and emailed him after seven months but you didnt have your car, would you consider your car stolen or would you be calling the mechanic a good guy?
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If I didn't know the mechanic, the car would likely be considered stolen. If, however, I'd met the mechanic on several occasions, had corresponded with him over time, and had seen him complete numerous transactions with other expensive automobiles, AND I knew he'd been having some personal troubles, then I'd have more leeway for doubt.

Jason has often bought/traded very expensive Busses, and I've never read a complaint on that front (see below). The red flag has only come up with regard to this sheath work, which makes me suspect he keeps trying to get to all the work, but has had (as has been pointed out several times) a lot of personal setbacks. I hope that this matter gets straightened out as much as the rest here.

Edit: Okay, I did read DE OPPRESSO LIBER's post. That scenario sounds to me like a case of Jason putting up some front money and, for whatever reasons, not being able to make good on the balance. DOL is out time and some frustration, but he has not lost a knife. As far as Jason putting up WTB messages on his Profile, who knows when that stuff was posted? Some of those knives seem like ones that Jason may actually own, so maybe he just forgot to change his profile. I generally can't tell you what my profile says.
 
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markksr said:
FWIW, someone stated earlier in this thread that Gravelface hadn't been online lately, I was correcting this error. On top of that, this is an open forum in which anyone is free to reply, and if you don't like that, then too bad.:p
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That was probably me and for what it is worth, I haven't been on here as much the last few months as I have in the past. Some days I log onto the Busse forum check the titles of the threads and log out. Not enough time in the day some days. A brief log in would not necessarily constitute someone sitting for hours reading threads. I hope this resolves itself in the positive for both parties.

Jason if you log in and read this, brother take my advice, give the sheath stuff a rest and just send folks there stuff back. When I started doing sheaths on the side, I got behind and slow on some orders. Seemed like I would never get them done, luckily for me I had models in my collection and no one had to send me their knives otherwise I would have been really stressed and probably in the same boat you are right now, bad deal. I have faith in you not being a thief, just get Chris his stuff back and focus on your recovery.
 
VTW, you have read Jason's last posts here, right? This was several days ago, and while it doesn't account for a seven month wait, it certainly might help explain some of the problems you're experiencing with recent communication.

Gravelface said:
Alright Hogs...I am out of the constraints of the hospital FINALLY!!!! I went in Saturday morning after my leg.......for lack of a better term.....threw up. It had been really bothering me the previous few days and at 7 am I was giving Lex his nook as I bent down I felt a splash on the back of my leg. As I looked down I saw a small puddle of yellowish fluid on the ground so I went to the sink to get a towel and when I grabbed the back of my leg....it exploded! I swear their was a HUGE puddle on the ground.....looked like I peed my pants!

So a quick trip to the ER to get my leg drained ended up being a 6 day extended stay at the hospital.

I have been plugged into the wall for the entire time between my IV pump and this cool new hardware in my leg....a vacu-pump. It feels weird being attached to a Hoover!

The meds are good, but tomorrow will really tell as it will be my first "home" care visit where they will pull out the soggy sponge and install a fresh clean one......without the benefit of 4cc of dalaudin. This should be interesting.
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Guyon said:
Jason has often bought/traded very expensive Busses, and I've never read a complaint on that front. The red flag has only come up with regard to this sheath work....
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For the record, I have a complaint with Jason on that front. A couple years ago, or so, he promised to buy a BM-E from me, and had me hold onto it for several months for him. He never bought that BM-E, and didn't respond to my attempts to contact him about it, and meanwhile bought several other expensive knives.

I didn't consider it too big of a deal, but I did put up with some financial inconvenience waiting for him to buy my BM-E, and it was definitely uncool of him to handle things the way he did.

That said, I hope that Jason makes good here, and that everything is resolved to both Chris's and Jason's satisfaction and interests.
 
Evolute, your report, pitched alongside DOL's similar complaint, isn't flattering. Hopefully, Jason will be along soon enough to offer up his perspective and to set things straight. When I read these threads in GB&U, I try to keep in mind that there's always more than one way of seeing a matter.
 
If the sheaths couldn't have been made due to whatever problems or reasons, the knives should have been returned by now. Its that simple.
 
if he has medical issues, packaging up the knives and shipping them out may not be a realistic option.

if the problem is currently the hurricane, packaging up the knives and shipping them out is likely also difficult.


communication with the other members certainly seems possible, and it appears has been intentionally avoided.

there could be lots of reasons why these deals have gone south. it is also within the realm of possibility that his wife, or someone else, is posting for jason, which has been known to happen when members are experiencing severe medical problems.

not making excuses for jason, though i consider him a forum friend. i sincerely hope he clears this up.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
it is also within the realm of possibility that his wife, or someone else, is posting for jason,
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Its also possible for the wife or someone else to pack up the knives and send them back too isn't it?

Lets say VTW had run into financial trouble and had to sell a couple of his knives to get by (this happens)...... well, he wouldn't be able to because he hasn't seen them in months.
 
The facts are that this is not going to go away and not dealing with this problem only makes the problem larger and larger, my problem with him is one thing but VTWs is a huge problem and several others are having the same problem here. If Jason needed some kind of help from us all he had to do is ask for it and i am sure that would of occurred. These threads are here trying to protect peoples investments not to hurt anyone at all!!!!! I think those who have not been affected by this should really put the shoe on the other foot and imagine it was your knives,sheaths or payments that were missing or neglected and see how you would feel about the situation then. Many who have reponded here have said good things my self included but that does not excuse what is transpiring here. We all are knife nuts,collectors when we ship,sell,buy there is alot of trust that needs to be there. Again i do feel sorry for Jasons condidtion but that does not excuse his lack of the handleing of his duties here.
 
imho anytime someone has $5K worth of someone elses property, for over 6 months, and ya cant contact him/her to find out WTF, ya can hardly blame folks for getting concerned, they arent the ones in the wrong in this scenario.

the guy needs to either send the folks back there stuff or at minimum get in contact with them and explain WTF.

and i dont care who it is, how good a rep they have, etc, in that scenario folks are gonna start wondering WTF, plain and simple.
 
anyone that knows me can surely say that if jason had communicated with me and been straight about what is going on i would not realy care, hell i may have just given him many of the knives i sent to help him out.... but that hasnt been the case.
 
valleytinworks said:
anyone that knows me can surely say that if jason had communicated with me and been straight about what is going on i would not realy care, hell i may have just given him many of the knives i sent to help him out.... but that hasnt been the case.
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VTW,
Nobody expects you to give up your knives or be a martyr. I understand that you are upset about your situation, and I believe you have every right to be upset. I would probably be upset too. But, the simple fact of the matter is that "something" is going on with Jason and there is not a single person here who knows what that is. So in addition to you not having your knives back, you also have to deal with the uncertainty and lack of information about what is going on. These are two different things. And IMO, the latter can be as bad or worse than the former.

As far as not having your knives back (and the possibility that you may never have them back), try to relax and let's see what time tells. I am not saying to let this die. On the contrary, keep it in the forefront if you wish. Just know that whatever Jason is going through, whatever it is, obviously does not make "here and now" a good timeframe for him. I know you have already given him lots of time, but would it be enough if you found out that his child died, or if he was in the hospital? If you do not get your knives back or they are already gone, then there is a legal remedy for that. I don't think Jason wants that to happen any more than he wants DOL to keep his money. Think about that--do you really believe that he would do something to put his freedom at risk and lose everything he has worked for???

As far as not knowing what is going on with him, well...I wish I could help. Unfortunately, I don't think there is an easy fix for this. I know a lot of folks are trying to get a hold of him, or at least are trying to find out what's up. But until Jason is ready to come forward and tell us, then we will all be left to speculate, and your speculations are no more likely to be true than anyone else's.

I do feel your frustration and anxiety. You and I have never had a deal, but Jason and I have and STILL, even knowing how good Jason has been in the past, I would still be torqued up about what is going on now. I find that if you try to be just a little more patient when you think you have run out of patience, things usually work themselves out. On the other hand, calling someone a thief right out of the gate doesn't leave you a lot of room left. I don't know, but you may come to regret that when all is said and done here.

Best of luck to you.
 
man oh man, i certainly didn't call jason a thief right out the gate..... its been months of politely asking and being understanding..... on the ninth he told me he was sending my knives. i do not have them.
 
valleytinworks said:
man oh man, i certainly didn't call jason a thief right out the gate..... its been months of politely asking and being understanding..... on the ninth he told me he was sending my knives. i do not have them.
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I meant out of the gate here on BF.

I hear you about him saying that he was sending the knives on the 9th. Do you know for sure that they have not been sent???

I did a deal with Jason where we traded FBMs. He and I sent each other the knives on the same day. I got mine from him within a week. Him??? He had to wait almost 2 months to get the one I sent him!!! At the time, LA was getting hit by some very heavy weather (not even hurricane though), and the USPS ended up diverting my package and holding it for some time. I was already in at the local PO ready to file a claim on a lost package, but within a few days after that, he got the knife. And it was all weather-related according to the USPS.

Oh, and one other thing--during that entire time, Jason did not get on me once for not having his knife, not knowing where it was, of if he'd ever even get it. Again, my heart goes out to you, but I don't think we have enough information to make a truly informed decision about what is really going on.
 
Like with so many of the threads here in GB&U, the main problem seems to be with communication. That's become clear, if nothing else has.

If status changes, you simply shoot an email to the other party. Not always easy with hospitals and hurricanes, but still...

I can't count how many times I've told someone his/her knife was going out a certain day, but for whatever reason (work, family, four-hour line at the PO), I couldn't send it. On some occasions, it was two or three more days before I could get to the PO. Without fail, sending an email update was all that was needed to keep the recipient calm and happy. More often than not, the person thanked me for the note.
 
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