Grayman Dua folder!!!! Wow

Ok here are a cpl pics of the new RJ edge that he just sent! More to follow and I think Richard J will have a full report! Think hes tired from spinnin his wheels! :D
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I am really looking forward to Richard's report, and also to Striderco's report after he uses both his Grayman folders in some typical tasks. Bring it on, gentlemen!
 
you can see the individual factory scratch lines above the edge i put on. the other side turned out nice looking.
 
Bill1170 said:
Patience, Grasshopper. The after pics will come in due time.

I like Richard's idea of letting Grayman users compare the factory "working edge" with a traditional sharp edge. We on this forum have to bear in mind that a lot of folks have never really used a truly sharp knife, so they do not know what they have been missing.
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Ya gotta read the whole thread baby grasshopper. See post 4 on page 1. ;)

richard j said:
you can see the individual factory scratch lines above the edge i put on. the other side turned out nice looking.
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Yeah the question is to leave that high wavy edge alone or take the overly generous belly of the blade up up "up" just a hair and have done with it forever. Maybe in years down the road, future sharpenings will reach that height (I kinda doubt it) but hey it looks 1000% better RJ! :thumbup:
 
To be honest I liked the look of the old edge better, now it pretty much look like any other knife on this forum. :dispirited:
 
the edge i put on is grabby and shaves hair plus push cuts newspaper. i just now split a hair up the middle with it.

anyone sharpening by hand is going to have hours in it if not days if they are going to remove the waves. they only waved the right side since the left side had a nice edge fairly fast. the waves also caused the right side to end up a hair wider but not much to notice.

i have to ship it out today so as soon as i can get moving i'm heading down to the post office and sending it out. i wish i had enough time to do some more cutting with it but i'm sure striderco will do plenty of cutting with it.
 
richard j said:
you can see the individual factory scratch lines above the edge i put on. the other side turned out nice looking.
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It looks a million percent better now. Looks like someone put skill and care into making the edge. Again, very nice job.
 
I picked up one of these Dua folders and when I first opened it and looked at the edge I was sincerely surprised and confused.
After using it for the past two-three weeks I think Grayman is really on to something. The knife cuts...really cuts... it slices cardboard, plastic, paper, plant material (my dead garden stalks) and is generally very good at what it does and is impressive in doing so. Is it good looking?... no. Does it work?... absolutely, I've even shown it to some other local Nashville Knife nuts and they were all wowed with how ugly and how good it is. It goes against my aesthetic sensibilities and my general taste in edges, but I'm sincerely impressed with this Grayman folder. When I opened it I immediately thought I'd have one of my friends who are knife makers regrind it for me to a more traditional edge, but now, I'm not so sure. I'm kind of interested to see how this rough (very rough) grind performs in the future.
J
 
It seems to me that the rougher edge might allow for a greater degree of cutting power for a longer amount of time, but it won't be as sharp as a nicely sharpened edge. So it would be better in a situation where somebody can't sharpen it all the time. I have nothing to back that up, just speculating.
 
I totally had the same experience that Lafferjc had!! The stock "working edge" definitely cut well! But I think more like a serrated edge. Here is a statement from Graymans site, "GRAYMAN knives are not designed for collectors, they are designed to be used. They might not be pretty, but they won't let you down! Whether stabbing, slashing, chopping or prying, GRAYMAN knives are rugged and dependable." I also was or am concerned to see how this edge would perform down the road after some good use. I question how you could get that kind of edge back on it say with limited sharpening equipment, like a combat environment where you may only have a small sharpening stone or rod. Would it be easier to touch up with a more traditional edge? I think so!? I cant wait to try out Richard J's Magic paper wheel edge!! He split a hair with it?! Holy!! I think im in for a surprise! With all the knives i have and limited sharpening skills perhaps I have never used a knife with such a great edge that can split a hair?!!! Wow! I will probably be sending many more knives to the Richard J Spa!! Maybe I can take a road trip and watch RJ spin his wheels in person?! Id love to learn how to sharpen properly, especially by someone like Richard J!! An edge that ll split a hair and last?! Now thats what im freakin talkin about!!! Should get my Dua back maybe mon or tues? I ll let you guys know what I think!! Looks like Grayman will have more Duas available in Nov! Thinking of grabbing a Satu! Cheers!!
 
Hawkings said:
To be honest I liked the look of the old edge better, now it pretty much look like any other knife on this forum. :dispirited:
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Ha ha ha .. that statement lighten things up! :D

As a novice in sharpening, I like normal edges, but still curious how the rough edge will perform in the long run. Speculation that it is meant for people who has no means to sharpen on the field might be the reason ..

Striderco,

Please let us know how the original edge and polished one perform in similar heavy duty use.
 
I really wish that Grayman would chime in with his thoughts. I think it's clear by now that there a number of us who are not interested in bashing him for no reason. Other knife makers have spoken up on these forums before, with good results. I know he's probably busy as hell, but I think it would help his product image if he could give us some of his thoughts.
 
Striderco said:
I totally had the same experience that Lafferjc had!! The stock "working edge" definitely cut well! But I think more like a serrated edge. Here is a statement from Graymans site, "GRAYMAN knives are not designed for collectors, they are designed to be used. They might not be pretty, but they won't let you down! Whether stabbing, slashing, chopping or prying, GRAYMAN knives are rugged and dependable." I also was or am concerned to see how this edge would perform down the road after some good use. I question how you could get that kind of edge back on it say with limited sharpening equipment, like a combat environment where you may only have a small sharpening stone or rod. Would it be easier to touch up with a more traditional edge? I think so!? I cant wait to try out Richard J's Magic paper wheel edge!! He split a hair with it?! Holy!! I think im in for a surprise! With all the knives i have and limited sharpening skills perhaps I have never used a knife with such a great edge that can split a hair?!!! Wow! I will probably be sending many more knives to the Richard J Spa!! Maybe I can take a road trip and watch RJ spin his wheels in person?! Id love to learn how to sharpen properly, especially by someone like Richard J!! An edge that ll split a hair and last?! Now thats what im freakin talkin about!!! Should get my Dua back maybe mon or tues? I ll let you guys know what I think!! Looks like Grayman will have more Duas available in Nov! Thinking of grabbing a Satu! Cheers!!
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Completely agree bud, it does feel slightly like its serrated when it cuts...but not with the jig jag tearing of a true serrated knife.
In a weird way, the only edge I can compare it to is a few by Tom Krein (certainly not all) that shreds as opposed to slices. It certainly isn't the cutting machine that some of my custom knives are...such as some of my more refined Kreins, Blackwood, Pohan Leu, Hinderer customs, Horton, Les George, Emerson customs, Southard (some of the sharpest ever), Jon Graham customs, Nick Rossi or Brian Fellhoelter...But it certainly has got a cutting ability to it that is superior to many other grinds I've got in my collection.

Maybe the rough grind is deceptively sharp, but that cutting ability along with the fact that the frame lock is superb and the action is smooth and solid as hell makes me really appreciate the Dua.
And for 285 bucks, I'm surprisingly happy with it.
J
 
Grayman is aware of this post! Unfortunately they are a two person team, and they are very busy! I think they get a lot of emails which takes them a long time to respond to alone! Then they are making knives!! I too wish they would chime in here! Like Muad said we arent out to bash Grayman, just have some questions about his unique knives! Laffer I agree they make one heck of a knife! It is smooth as hell! It just has that quality, tough as nails feel to it! Perhaps you guys should read a couple articles about Grayman Knives!

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/tactical-knives/satu-tough-sob/

http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/AmericanHandgunner/AHJA11/?page=71
 
Wow! Got my Dua back from the Richard J Spa today! Man is it sharp!! My first thought was that it just looks better! Im not feelin very well at all so I didnt play around with it much but it sure did shave hair off my arm!! I am very impressed with Richards work! This guy most definitely knows how to put a good edge on a knife! For all you paper wheel haters out there, you re crazy! For me and what I would use my Dua for I just dont think Graymans "toothy working edge" is for me. With Richards edge it ll be easy for me to touch up and resharpen. Still wondering how I could resharpen the Dua with its stock edge? Dont think I could without sending it back to them. I plan on doing some cutting of various things and comparing the stock edge to the magic wheel edge! Pics of course! And with a better cam, promise!! Thanks so much Richard!! You rock man! People send your knives to Richard J's Spa for a killer magic paper wheel edge!! Guarantee you will be impressed!! Cheers!
 
You're very easily enthusiastically swayed in every other direction.

Glad to see that knife got a decent edge now, because honestly, it looks like a nice, simple but rugged design.
 
I am still surprised by the concern from some who insist that an edge must be "pretty" in order to work for its intended purpose. I use Grayman's simply to cut and pry things in a very rugged setting. I have co-workers who knock the Grayman because of its looks and design, but when they use it, they are sold. For fine cutting chores, I use a small knife blade on my multitool. For poking, basic slashing, prying, or even digging in the dirt, I use the Grayman. I have not sharpened any of my Graymans in a long while, and their edges are still decent. I have gone through hundreds of knives over 20 years (ranging in price from $50 to $6,000), and I have finally found one that does not need to be baby'd.

Again, I am quick to call a spade a spade, just look at some of my posts in my long past with this forum. These are "basic" cutting instruments only, not surgical tools, hence the price.

Sean
 
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