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Keith Montgomery said:
That is incorrect. Below you will find a link to the Visa Operating Regulations manual. There you will find the time limits for initiating a chargeback. In most cases it is 120 days.

http://usa.visa.com/download/merchants/visa-usa-operating-regulations2.pdf
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In most cases? I don't know but I didn't poll every credit card company. The rules I did cite are direct from Amex. I called them personally to verify it.

I also made the following qualification in my previous post:
RWS said:
NOTE: Each cc company has a little different approach in timing, but they all have to comply with the 60 day rule.
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This "NOTE" was included in my post to inform the readers here of the different rules that each cc company may have regarding the timing of disputes. The 60 day rule is law. All the cc companies have to comply with it at a minimum.

So, other than not adding the words "at a minimum" at the end of my NOTE sentence, I think it was pretty stinkin' accurate. :p:D


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Why would anyone who is aware of this guy's lack of credibility not play it safe and stop payment immediately for anything that he's charged against their cc even if they had five years to dispute it?
 
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My creit card co. MBNA refused to help after 90 days. They say that's thier time limit to file a dispute. It's a VISA card too.
 
What RWS said.

Two of my CC's have the 60 day limit........ :thumbup:

I know for sure because I had to dispute charges this past summer and this was the time limit they told me I had to do it in. After that, if I had not filed a dispute... it was tough luck for me.
 
teacher said:
What RWS said.

Two of my CC's have the 60 day limit........ :thumbup:
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Which credit card companies do you deal with. Both Visa and Mastercard (in the US) quite clearly state that for something like non delivery, their time limit for initiating a chargeback is 120 days.
 
I initiated a chargeback on my visa card once. I was told I had to give the seller 90 days to send the item or a refund. They wouldnt do anything until three months had passed. After three months from the time the charge was made they initiated the chargeback and I got my refund.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
Which credit card companies do you deal with. Both Visa and Mastercard (in the US) quite clearly state that for something like non delivery, their time limit for initiating a chargeback is 120 days.
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Keith,
They were both VISA, I just called them when the problem arose and this is what they told me. We handled both of them over the phone and they got resolved.... that is all I know. Neither one was knife related either.

I realize that different cards may have different time limits.. this was just my experience.

I did go to the web site of one to copy and paste the info below:

Quote from CC website below:
What is a credit card dispute?
If you believe that a credit card transaction has been posted to your account in error, you may submit a credit card dispute within 60 days of the statement date on which the transaction appears. On your behalf, we will research the transaction with the merchant and their bank and contact you with the results. We take your business seriously and will do everything we can to help resolve a dispute in a timely and thorough manner.

When you dispute a credit card transaction, no fees or interest will be incurred on the item. If the transaction was posted in error, we will correct your account. If the transaction was not posted in error, we will inform you of any interest or fees occurring during the disputed period of time.
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I am not trying to argue in any way........... this was just my experience and what my card's CS told me. :thumbup: :)
 
I do agree that anyone that has not gotten their knives, or a refund from GKGP, and they paid by credit card, should initiate a chargeback. However, credit card companies want you to give the seller a reasonable amount of time to deliver before you go that route.
 
If you have not received your product, call your company and have a chargeback issued, I just went over 2500 orders on the year and have plenty of repeat buyers. If you do a chargeback ill check my records, if it has not shipped ill ok it for them, if it has shipped then the charge back will not go through. I apologize for anyone not receiving there order, I am busy, and at times some products are impossible to get.
 
Also, Im in Sevierville Tennessee at the Parker Greatest Knife Show, its a great show, ive sold over 8,000.00 worth with 1 day remaining.
 
magicman133 said:
Also, Im in Sevierville Tennessee at the Parker Greatest Knife Show, its a great show, ive sold over 8,000.00 worth with 1 day remaining.
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Why don't you use some of that 8,000.00 and pay back these people that you stole from.
 
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magicman133 said:
If you have not received your product, call your company and have a chargeback issued, I just went over 2500 orders on the year and have plenty of repeat buyers. If you do a chargeback ill check my records, if it has not shipped ill ok it for them, if it has shipped then the charge back will not go through. I apologize for anyone not receiving there order, I am busy, and at times some products are impossible to get.
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So why dont you check your records now and see what has not shipped instead of waiting for a credit card company to contact you. What goes around comes around, and one day you will rip off the wrong guy and he will hunt you down and then no more little andy:(
 
magicman133 said:
If you do a chargeback ill check my records, if it has not shipped ill ok it for them, if it has shipped then the charge back will not go through.
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magicman133 said:
If you have not received your product, call your company and have a chargeback issued, I just went over 2500 orders on the year and have plenty of repeat buyers. If you do a chargeback ill check my records, if it has not shipped ill ok it for them, if it has shipped then the charge back will not go through. I apologize for anyone not receiving there order, I am busy, and at times some products are impossible to get.
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magicman133 said:
Also, Im in Sevierville Tennessee at the Parker Greatest Knife Show, its a great show, ive sold over 8,000.00 worth with 1 day remaining.
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YE YE YA UN UHH?? YE YA OK? UN UHH? YA IS That right???? :confused: WOW that's just unbelievable??? :eek::confused::yawn:


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Andrew, why didn't some of those $8000.00 worth of knives you sold go to the dozens of people you owe? You are full of it, young man.
 
Hes's the magic man alright.....It seems that if you order anything from him, you get dick and your money magically disappears.

Whatta scumbag.

Of course, this is just my opinion........:thumbup:
 
RWS said:
Hes's the magic man alright.....It seems that if you order anything from him, you get dick and your money magically disappears.

Whatta scumbag.

Of course, this is just my opinion........:thumbup:
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Yeah,and when he ships the knife that disappears too. Then he will say things like "its probably in some postal workers pocket". haha like the mail man would risk his job for my Spyderco endura:jerkit:
 
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Hello All,

I have not read every single post on this thread yet, but I have read most of them. I don't know if anyone else brought this up yet or not, so I will just through it out there..

This can be settled quickly by the Florida small claims court system:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/consumerism/small_fl.html

Speaking from experience, I can tell you that it is a very efficient method of recovering monetary damages from perpetrators of theft and/or fraud in nominal amounts up to $5000.00 for each case, such as is the case(s) here being discussed in this thread. In addition, in the event Mr. Kunz is found guilty, he is also subject to, "civil restitution" penalties. In the state of Florida, that allows up to (3) times the amount of the original loss to be recovered..

So simply stated: When the judge rules that Mr. Kunz is indeed guilty of fraud or theft against Mr. Smith for $100.USD worth of damages, for example, then Mr. Smith is entitled to receive the $100.00 original damages, plus the "civil restitution" amount of up to and including $300.00.

IMO, an idea that would prove beneficial to you all, would be if the entire lot of you that have reportedly incurred losses due to Mr. Kunz's dealings, start to email one another. Come to a consensus and appoint a local Florida resident to start the process and keep on top of the paperwork filings regarding each case filed. Once, you pool all your resources and stand together, I know this can be resolved in short order. United you will prevail.

Important: Keep all your documentation organized cronologically and make copies of everything. Credit Card or PayPal receipts, all emails or any other correspondences, ect..

In the cases I filed myself, I found the filings quite logical and straight forward and had no need for an attorney.

Best
 
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magicman133 said:
If you have not received your product, call your company and have a chargeback issued, I just went over 2500 orders on the year and have plenty of repeat buyers. If you do a chargeback ill check my records, if it has not shipped ill ok it for them, if it has shipped then the charge back will not go through. I apologize for anyone not receiving there order, I am busy, and at times some products are impossible to get.
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You make dang sure to get their card number right, immediately charge the sucker's card, and write the order info on your last roll of toilet paper. Of course you are too busy to make sure they get shipped or refunded when you can't get product. We can't have your customers infringe on your fun time.

How about you run your business like a responsible person ought to?
 
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