I've had six different Medfords & they have all been absolutely top notch in fit & finish. I've never had the need to take a tool to any of them, which is more than I can say for some other "hard use, tactical" knives I've owned. Personally, I prefer knives that come "just right" out of the box. I intend to add other Medfords to my collection in the future. However, I don't know if I would ever buy directly from MKT. I can't ever see myself paying up from & waiting for up to a year & a half. I also watch his YouTube videos. I like seeing what knives are going out as well as the manufacturing process. For the most part, I'm entertained. Whenever he starts spewing stuff that I disagree with, I just stop watching.
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Greg Medford of Medford Knife and Tool
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Started this post 2 months ago and there's been many opinions shared. Both good and with correction.
My thoughts as of today on the 187 Flipper.
1. It got sold this week.
Why?
Cause my Slysz Bowie kicked it out of my pocket.
Really?
Yup. Can you believe it? I anticipated my first MKT to be more than pictured and talked about. Different when you actually get it in hand/carry it daily and start to do some work with it.
It's a great design that NEEDS refinement. Both in ergonomic comfort, fit and finish and deployment. Yes, were all conditioned to a one finger flick and our blades deploy rapidly. Greg mentions two fingers are necessary for opening until it reaches its break in period. I thought I could, "buy into" this theory but I think it's just plain crap and can easily be corrected.
I don't know Greg personally and I'm not here to criticize. I'm just being transparent with my limited experience with this particular knife. I think Greg is an excellent designer and marketer. I'll give him that. Hell...I think he's genuinely a good person and would probably have a beer with him but I hate to say it...and I will...It's probably my first and last MKT unless Greg wants to hear and implement what WE really want in a knife.
And lastly on price. Well who cares right? We buy on, "perceived" value. Doesn't matter what it is in life.
At best, this model is more like a $200 knife not $425 but kudos to you Greg. You've made a great business for you and the Veterans you employ and I respect that.
My thoughts as of today on the 187 Flipper.
1. It got sold this week.
Why?
Cause my Slysz Bowie kicked it out of my pocket.
Really?
Yup. Can you believe it? I anticipated my first MKT to be more than pictured and talked about. Different when you actually get it in hand/carry it daily and start to do some work with it.
It's a great design that NEEDS refinement. Both in ergonomic comfort, fit and finish and deployment. Yes, were all conditioned to a one finger flick and our blades deploy rapidly. Greg mentions two fingers are necessary for opening until it reaches its break in period. I thought I could, "buy into" this theory but I think it's just plain crap and can easily be corrected.
I don't know Greg personally and I'm not here to criticize. I'm just being transparent with my limited experience with this particular knife. I think Greg is an excellent designer and marketer. I'll give him that. Hell...I think he's genuinely a good person and would probably have a beer with him but I hate to say it...and I will...It's probably my first and last MKT unless Greg wants to hear and implement what WE really want in a knife.
And lastly on price. Well who cares right? We buy on, "perceived" value. Doesn't matter what it is in life.
At best, this model is more like a $200 knife not $425 but kudos to you Greg. You've made a great business for you and the Veterans you employ and I respect that.
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Wow pretty polarizing from your previous posts , glad to see you finally settled on an opinion after trying it out.
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Just keeping it real. And I do realize I'm going to get some backlash from this but I don't really care.
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I don't think you'll get too much back lash but maybe before you praise the living hell out of a knife... Use it. Then you can form opinions and judgement based on experience rather than basically nothing. My 2¢
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Good point. Thank you Shineyedges.
I think opinions change on a knife and it's normal to sing the praises of a knife soon after you get it only to realize you spoke too soon. I didn't see bladeninja's posts in this thread to be 100% praise, I saw critical but positive examinations of the knife, leaving room for improvement and also acknowledging the newness of the knife and that his opinion could change.
I sang the praises of my first ZT0566, a couple months later it was no longer being carried and ended up getting sold. It happens, and admitting you were wrong should be encouraged, it shows maturity and intelligence to not only realize you were wrong but to publicly admit it as well. I say kudos to you, bladeninja, use your knives and love the ones you love, no sense hanging onto knives that you don't like because you said you did at an earlier date.
I sang the praises of my first ZT0566, a couple months later it was no longer being carried and ended up getting sold. It happens, and admitting you were wrong should be encouraged, it shows maturity and intelligence to not only realize you were wrong but to publicly admit it as well. I say kudos to you, bladeninja, use your knives and love the ones you love, no sense hanging onto knives that you don't like because you said you did at an earlier date.
Bought a knife off the other forum... Second Owner
Had it for about a month and every time I opened it.. The pivot seemed like it tightened
Asked the previous owner if he ever taken it apart. No reply from him, so i called MKT and sent it in.
Greg called me personally complaining that I fucked up his knife by taking it apart. I explained i bought it second hand and had no idea what happened. He said he hate's that forum and people that screw with his knives.
Explained to me that I had to pay to have the lock reset and pivot cleaned. $150 extra and i was getting a good deal.
I said just send it back to me and i will go through paypal if i can not reach the seller to get my money back.
He said that knife has his name on it and he will NOT send it back to me in it's current condition.
After some back and forth with Him and another lady.. It was clear to me that he was going to keep the knife, so we settled on $100 shipped back to me.
After all this the seller finally gets back to me and says he never took the knife apart and bought it directly from him at Blade 2014...
The knives are cool looking and I like alot of the designs... Just pray you don't have a warranty issue or god forbid disagree with him.
Had it for about a month and every time I opened it.. The pivot seemed like it tightened
Asked the previous owner if he ever taken it apart. No reply from him, so i called MKT and sent it in.
Greg called me personally complaining that I fucked up his knife by taking it apart. I explained i bought it second hand and had no idea what happened. He said he hate's that forum and people that screw with his knives.
Explained to me that I had to pay to have the lock reset and pivot cleaned. $150 extra and i was getting a good deal.
I said just send it back to me and i will go through paypal if i can not reach the seller to get my money back.
He said that knife has his name on it and he will NOT send it back to me in it's current condition.
After some back and forth with Him and another lady.. It was clear to me that he was going to keep the knife, so we settled on $100 shipped back to me.
After all this the seller finally gets back to me and says he never took the knife apart and bought it directly from him at Blade 2014...
The knives are cool looking and I like alot of the designs... Just pray you don't have a warranty issue or god forbid disagree with him.
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That's extortion. And I mean that quite literally, as in criminal behavior. Thank you for posting, as it certainly seals the fact that I'd never do business with the guy.
No backlash man!!
You are not obligated to keep anything and you can like one knife more then another!!
You can even sell the one you like less!!
Most of us do it all the time....
Only thing that's important is that when you give your opinions, you stick to your experience (good, bad, or indifferent) because that helps everyone learn.
Wow man....
I don't know the poster from "Dave".....that doesn't mean he's wrong or right, but he just posted something on a forum that you took as Gospel.
Sadly, this is how the BS always starts about any company/maker/knife/etc.....you will now regurgitate that one post wherever you go.
It's one side to a story.
There is zero proof it happened just like that.
Maybe the guy is a little butt-hurt with a chip?
Maybe he's 100% accurate...
If you can build a fact out of one post from a screen name on a forum, then all the power to you......
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Agree with u 100% in principle. However, given Medford's rep, documented history of eccentric behavior and unwillingness to participate in a public discussion, I would not be at all surprised if the incident happened as described.
Based on this thread and everything else I have heard about Medford, I won't be buying any of his knives. Other obviously fee differently and that's totally cool.
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If it is true my risk level is high and, given the number of highly reputable makers that don't have that kind of rumor floating around them, I can get plenty of fantastic knives without taking that risk, so the reward level for taking the risk is pretty low. Basic risk/reward analysis dictates me not to give him my business. It might not be fair, but it simply makes sense.
The problem is that I can find a post (or 10) like that on any maker/company....any.
Greg is the easiest guy to get a hold of on his personal phone. He will reply to any call or text about anything...
There's nothing wrong with writing him off, we all have the right to do that.
I personally could not do it on one post from someone I don't know, and from a one sided story.
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Medford's Rep?!
I am not aware of that.
I know that he is very active on YT, and he is a very confident and opinionated guy.
I don't agree with everything he says, but I respect that he puts himself out there.
That can't be easy in the age of "political correctness"
As far as his knives, they aren't for everyone, nobody's knives are.
For the most part though, he has very few issues with F&F and overall quality.
His warranty is harsh, but he's gone out of his way to explain why.
I can imagine that after having nobody listen to what you say, even though you have explained exactly why until you're blue in the face, you might get a little upset with people who just don't get it.
He's only human.
JR88FAN
The problem is that I can find a post (or 10) like that on any maker/company....any.
Greg is the easiest guy to get a hold of on his personal phone. He will reply to any call or text about anything...
There's nothing wrong with writing him off, we all have the right to do that.
I personally could not do it on one post from someone I don't know, and from a one sided story.
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Challenge accepted. Here's a list find me similar complaints a out Michael Burch, Les George, Jens Anso, Richard Rogers.
Go!
As far as Medfords rep, he posted a YouTube video where he specifically says that he has done this and then the customer refused to pay he sold his knife because the guy said keep it when he became angry dealing with him.
You can't sell the same knife twice im sorry. You send it back. I'd never buy one of his overpriced midtech knives because I wouldn't care to put money into the pocket who treats his customers like they owe him something.
No thanks I'll keep buying quality custom knives from good guys who appreciate the work.
The problem is that I can find a post (or 10) like that on any maker/company....any.
Greg is the easiest guy to get a hold of on his personal phone. He will reply to any call or text about anything...
There's nothing wrong with writing him off, we all have the right to do that.
I personally could not do it on one post from someone I don't know, and from a one sided story.
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Challenge accepted. Here's a list find me similar complaints a out Michael Burch, Les George, Jens Anso, Richard Rogers.
Go!
As far as Medfords rep, he posted a YouTube video where he specifically says that he has done this and then the customer refused to pay he sold his knife because the guy said keep it when he became angry dealing with him.
You can't sell the same knife twice im sorry. You send it back. I'd never buy one of his overpriced midtech knives because I wouldn't care to put money into the pocket who treats his customers like they owe him something.
No thanks I'll keep buying quality custom knives from good guys who appreciate the work.
Easy does it with the insults and language. People have the right to like or not like something. Last time I checked this is a place to discuss knives, the good, the bad, and the ugly. If people can't handle it, best not to read and certainly not a good idea to post. This isn't a back patting, high fiving factory for every maker. Relax, they are just knives, if you don't like them, don't buy them, shut it and move along. Easy.
One final thought, careful what you say, making up random BS stories and embellishing things can get you into serious trouble. Some folks have lawyers at the ready that can and will go after slanderous posts. You may not be as "anonymous and sheltered" as you'd like to think.
One final thought, careful what you say, making up random BS stories and embellishing things can get you into serious trouble. Some folks have lawyers at the ready that can and will go after slanderous posts. You may not be as "anonymous and sheltered" as you'd like to think.