The old "SAT NAV" it has replaced something that my mother said was not very common, "Common Sense". Was really interested in your comments about the cutting of costs and quality in the cutlery industry, this is something i have witnessed in many industries in my lifetime. But i think there is a renaissance in some industries beginning to happen. Over here people that are interested in history,and like good quality are now starting to look around for handmade bespoke products, especially in clothing and leather products, and craftsman work on home renovations.We have a craftsman expo over here in a place called Kyneton, where i am at the moment, after a few years it has been moved to a bigger location next year because of it's popularity. Our friend Chin is a regular visitor. I realize that these thing are for people that have been successful and can afford it, but a lot of people are also buying less as consumers, but are prepaired to pay for quality and buying not as much mass produced stuff but better quality, but less often. My dad always said, buy the best you can afford, quality over quantity. Hope this mind set returns to the cutlery industry, but i must admit i'm not holding my breath. Sorry if i got off topic.