Have you seen the new Benchmade Neil Blackwood folder?

i breezed across the neil blackwood article in the new Blade mag. pretty cool how a guy can build a name & a career mainly through knife forums... but then again, real talent is real tough to hide - even in our "subculture".

good stuff neil, good to see you getting some "play" from the corporate world.

just don't forget us lefties! there's more of us than you think.. :D
 
IF I DON'T GET ONE OF THESE DAMN KIVES, I AM GONNA DROP! THAT IS THE COOLEST LOOKING NEW KNIFE YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by the45guy
too big ??

:rolleyes:

Guess you aint never handled a real Skirmish... though it looks huge it feels so right in the hand. No blade length issues for folders here in NV...so send em all here Neil !:D

I have to agree. I loved the one I got to handle in Vegas last January.

Who was the lucky guy to get that one?
 
Size sounds perfect to me, then again, there are no laws against that in Indiana. Just no autos.

I'm very excited for Neil, this will be a BIG winner for both Neil and BM. Can't wait to get one!
 
Originally posted by Steven Roos
how can Spyderco own the rights to a hole?

They can't. A hole is nothing - it's air. (Or a vacuum if you are in space).

What they own the rights to is the stuff that surrounds the hole and gives it its shape.
 
Steve...Kyle aquired the Skirmish from Neil.... I wanted it but Neil told me that I was too thin and if I carried it my pants would fall down ;)

:rolleyes: :eek:
 
Please understand that it is not that I dislike BenchMade knives or the company, I have three of theor fine Axis lock folders, one of which I alternate with my Terzuola/Spyderco StarMate as my favorite EDC when I am not at work where I am limited to a 2.5" blade. That one is the 921 Switchback. The others are the 940 and the 770, both of which I would happily recommend to anyone.

The reason for my post is that I get very tired of seeing everyone cheering over the very fine products that come out and taking for granted the very basic ideas that have made the modern folder what it is. I happen to think that the SpyderHole opening system, the concept of which is what is Sal Glesser's idea, is basic to the modern knife and should be credited to him, along with the pocket clip, rather than simply assumed. In that same vein, anyone making a folder with a liner or a frame lock should be crediting Michael Walker (I think of a frame lock as a modified liner lock). I understand that we stand today on the shoulders of those who have gone before us, but does that mean that we should forget those who have provided the shoulders? Or that we should stop rewarding them for their efforts in developing the shoulder strength to support us? That latter point is the whole idea behind patents and copyrights.
 
Has there been anything in this thread that indicates that issues with registrations and/or patents, their applications and usage, have'nt been amicably worked out between the actual parties involved?

Mr. Glesser's contributions are many. In the past Benchmade has recieved permission to use some of his ideas, is there any indication that they won't do it now?

I'm really looking forward to this knife. If it folds we can carry it in California. Great job Neil.

Mike
 
After reading all these posts praising the knife, I feel I'm the only one who doesn't really care for the looks of it. I would LOVE it if it didn't have those colored drilled holes in the handle...sometimes simpler lines are better. If there is an option for a plain handle, I would definitely buy it! Just don't care for the color treatment...IMHO.

Nice specs, though.
 
I don't think this has been mentioned yet but are the handles Ti or Steel? Ti would be nice but that would put the street price of the knife definitely in the 200+ range
 
I have a couple of thoughts on the licensing issue with regard to Spyderco.

First, I think Spyderco has Trademarked "the hole". This knife has 3 holes. I know there is still the one big hole but a court of law may not look at three holes as being an infringment on Spyderco's one hole opener.

Second, since the knife has not yet been released I doubt we will find information about whether or not they did license it to Benchmade.

Until someone who knows chimes in and says that either my first point is true, or that Spyderco has licensed the hole to Benchmade for this knife, we're wasting our energy discussing it.

I would think that anyone who's been around here longer than a few months knows that these things usually play out to be legit and a lot of people just seem to want jump on Benchmade (again).

Look at the Cold Steel ArchAngel, some bashed CS for ripping off DDR'd design, then DDR came on the forums and said he helped them design it.

Look at the Cold Steel TiLite, same thing but this time some people bashed them for ripping off Phil Boguszewski, we found out a short time later Phil designed it for them.

Benchmade & Neil are upstanding members of the knife community, stop looking for a witch hunt and let the cards play out to see what happens.


Edited to add: I just re-read the thread and see much of what I said was already covered. Oh well, that's what happens when you don't have time to read everything :)
 
Originally posted by FullerH
One hole or three, that is copying Sal's ideas, not that everyone else in the world isn't doing it. It just pi**es me of to see one reputable company apparently ripping off another. I feel the same way about the Gerber and Buck models that I have seen that use opening holes of whatever shape and I only hope that they have the honesty to pay Sal for the rights. I expect sh*t like that from others, but not from the major players. But, then, maybe I expect too much.

Once the patent runs out -- and it has -- it is absolutely not "ripping off" to use the feature. The whole idea behind patents is that the invention reverts to the public domain to benefit the public good after the inventor has had a certain amount of time to profit from it. Spyderco had its time to profit, the patent is expired, and that's that. No one using the Spyderco hole is ripping-off Spyderco in that sense.

However, Spyderco has trademarked the round hole. This means that it's a legally-protected feature that makes a Spyderco, well, a Spyderco. I don't understand this area of law, but it wouldn't shock me if three holes in a row is different enough from one big hole that it doesn't violate the trademark. Common-sense-wise (I know common sense has little to do with the law!) I don't look at that knife's three holes and say "looks like a Spyderco!".

Or, it's possible that Sal and co. specifically agreed to the three-hole arrangement in advance, who knows. Or maybe Neil already has a trademark on three holes, so it's already recognized as different from one hole.

Joe
 
Originally posted by AnklePocket
Didn't God invent the hole?

Exodus 28:32

And there shall be an hole in the top of it, in the midst thereof... and this certainly meant spyderco knives. In fact, it is more likely to apply to knives than many Preacher's interpretations are to be correct, but that is a seperate flame altogether.
 
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