Hawk fighting pou.

"Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime."

From the article I posted.

"Let me expand on this old soldier’s excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial; that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids’ schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid’s school. Our children are dozens of times more likely to be killed, and thousands of times more likely to be seriously injured, by school violence than by school fires, but the sheep’s only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their children is just too hard, so they choose the path of denial.

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn’t tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, “Baa.”"

Ok read that sense you wouldn't just read the link.
 
Hey Kenny
I carry three knives to cut leather with and string and whittle, never would cut a people with it, other than myself occasionally;-))
Oh and, animals are a LOT easier to get along with than armed people. ;-)))

Best regards

Robin
Haha you have a point about the animals.

But yeah definitely man, I understand carrying knives because you use them for rough tasks. Do you use a slip for whittling?
 
Haha you have a point about the animals.

But yeah definitely man, I understand carrying knives because you use them for rough tasks. Do you use a slip for whittling?

Hey Kenny
I usually use whatever i'm carrying if I have to whittle something but fairly recently I have started collecting split backspring whittlers. My Daughter bought me a gec executive whittler for my birthday and it started. I now have 5 whittlers. I have a terrible collecting habit that dictates "one is just one, two is the start of a collection" ;-))

I pretty much use wharncliffe blades to cut leather for my sheaths and such.

Regards

Robin
 
Well first can you provide me with something that backs this up "Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime."

"Some estimates" isn't particularly clear.

I'm certainly not a sheep though, of course there are bad people in the world that do terrible things. I think it's great that people like us want to defend ourselves against attack if the time happens to arise. But I will not and cannot agree with a stupid statement like this

The point...which you have missed in its entirety...is that you never know what kind of person a stranger really is: he could be a good soul or he could be Richard Kuklinski. Therefore, it is best to approach all strangers with caution...not paranoia Kenny...reasonable...responsible...caution.

Lets all spend our lives with one hand on the trigger and the other shaking hands with those around us.
 
"Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime."

From the article I posted.

"Let me expand on this old soldier’s excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial; that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids’ schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid’s school. Our children are dozens of times more likely to be killed, and thousands of times more likely to be seriously injured, by school violence than by school fires, but the sheep’s only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their children is just too hard, so they choose the path of denial.

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn’t tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, “Baa.”"

Ok read that sense you wouldn't just read the link.

I have travelled all over the world, went into sme of the worst parts of cities, walked in the darkened "dangerous streets" never paranoid, never harmed, never armed. I use my brain for self defence and I "Ain't no sheep" I can assure you.
 
I have travelled all over the world, went into some of the worst parts of cities, walked in the darkened "dangerous streets" never paranoid, never harmed, never armed. I use my brain for self defence and I "Ain't no sheep" I can assure you.

If I could have a signature that would be it!

I've been meaning to pickup some decent slip knives, my grandpa always had tons of them laying around but they disappeared when he passed away. Gotta love the classics.
 
Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean I'm a troll. Thanks pipeman and birdkiller for suggesting he lay off hehe.

But if you'd like to sit here and call names then so be it.

Like I said before, being prepared is great, especially out in the woods where none of the animals have manners, morals or any kind of respect for others. But when I'm browsing around these parts or watching videos on youtube and I'm always seeing and hearing people talk about how they carry a gun and a bunch of ammo on their belt or you guys talking about carrying three knives just in case and stuff, it bothers me; I can't help but say that I think you're at least a little paranoid if you spend your whole life being worried that everyone around you might turn up to be a psychopath.

When this thought that you could be that 1 in 300,000,000 people that someone decides to kill and you start to protect yourself for that one in three million chance, then yeah I feel I have to call you paranoid.

Don't you have an ounce of trust for those around you? Sorry but I think there's something wrong with that.

When I'm in the field, I carry three knives - a BK-2, a BK-11 and a SAK Huntsman. That's partly because all three do different jobs but mostly because I like carrying them.

Call me whatever floats your boat.
 
I can respect that, I've been through
Alleys in china I've been in small towns in china were literally nobody speaks English. I've been through guatemla I've been through gang neighborhoods and hells angels teritory I have never been in a situation either. But if I am attacked I'm prepared.
 
Like I said before, being prepared is great, especially out in the woods where none of the animals have manners, morals or any kind of respect for others. But when I'm browsing around these parts or watching videos on youtube and I'm always seeing and hearing people talk about how they carry a gun and a bunch of ammo on their belt or you guys talking about carrying three knives just in case and stuff, it bothers me; I can't help but say that I think you're at least a little paranoid if you spend your whole life being worried that everyone around you might turn up to be a psychopath.
Define "a lot of ammo".
Is 27 rounds a lot?

The reason most people carry three knives in the woods (I think I covered this already) is because of the "Nessmuk trio" idea that is once again popular -- a big tool for heavy work, a small one for your detail work and one in between for everything else. I've cut that to two, as I've found I can use my big and little tool in combination to accomplish a task, cutting out the mid-size.

In the city? Yeah, I carry two knives. One Folder for knife tasks, and either a SAK Outrider or SwissTool, mainly for the tools, but they do have blades as well.

When this thought that you could be that 1 in 300,000,000 people that someone decides to kill and you start to protect yourself for that one in three million chance, then yeah I feel I have to call you paranoid.

Don't you have an ounce of trust for those around you? Sorry but I think there's something wrong with that.

If you want to play the odds, you won't go armed at all. If you want to play the odds in the woods, you won't b ring a survival kit, FAK, extra clothes, or anything like that (Hell I've never needed my survival kit or FAK in the woods, but I carry them. Does that make me a 'noid?).
The problem I have with your line of reasoning is it's the same as the people who say "I won't bring my gun, I'm just going to the store. I only carry it when I need it." OK, but you don't KNOW when something is going to happen. If I knew something was going to happen, I wouldn't carry a gun, I'd stay home.
I had some hippy [duck bed] tell me one time "I can't imagine being so afraid I felt the need to walk around with a gun."
To which my reply was "I can't imagine walking around with a gun and being afraid."

Contrary to some people's experience, I've been in hairy situations many times. MOST of them have been in places where "Stuff like that doesn't happen here." Like someone trying to carjack me in lunch traffic outside the biggest mall in the area, and I was in the MIDDLE lane of a 3 lane road. Broad daylight.
People trying to break into my house a couple of times with me home. Once I woke up with a guy in my home raiding my fridge.
A couple times walking home from work. And not in THAT part of town.

Paranoid? No, I have good reason to be armed. Now if someone has one of those crystal balls that tells them when they are going to be attacked, I'd like to buy one.

BTW, it's sad, but many times you hear of people getting brutalized who once preached about "Going all around the world and never needing to defend myself." Seriously, for your own good, don't be that guy.
 
I have travelled all over the world, went into sme of the worst parts of cities, walked in the darkened "dangerous streets" never paranoid, never harmed, never armed. I use my brain for self defence and I "Ain't no sheep" I can assure you.

Sometimes it is not about where you are or what you are doing...sometimes a criminal gives you no choice...

And last year I was in one of the best neighborhoods in my city and stopped a forced kidnapping...

I did not have to do anything but be verbal to do so.....

But I am glad that had it gone south I had lots of options...

Just because you have been blessed with both awareness and luck does not mean violence does not happen....

When I was LEO talking to other officers after certain situations I have heard...”I always thought you were weird for carrying that many knives when you get to carry a gun....but man I needed a knife(or in a few cases a second knife) to cut a seatbelt(or other object)"

How many victims of violent crimes if asked after the fact would be happy to have had a knife available to them when attacked?

I never want to get attacked....I pay attention to my surroundings and do not go into seedy areas...but sometimes that is not enough...

so while my finger is not on the trigger while I shake your hand my guns and knives are within reach....because I would rather have it then not need it...then need it and not have it....

If you only want to carry 1 knife or no knife tool for that matter fine...but do not look down your nose at me because I do...
 
"BTW, it's sad, but many times you hear of people getting brutalized who once preached about "Going all around the world and never needing to defend myself." Seriously, for your own good, don't be that guy. "

I AM that guy and I'll continue to be that guy and I'll continue to use my Brain as a defence tool. Since this is becoming a big deal, maybe we should talk about the number of people who decide to take the law into their own hands and get killed because they drew their gun or knife instead of simply giving up their car or letting the guy raid their fridge and calling the POLICE.

R
 
Sometimes it is not about where you are or what you are doing...sometimes a criminal gives you no choice...

And last year I was in one of the best neighborhoods in my city and stopped a forced kidnapping...

I did not have to do anything but be verbal to do so.....

But I am glad that had it gone south I had lots of options...

Just because you have been blessed with both awareness and luck does not mean violence does not happen....

When I was LEO talking to other officers after certain situations I have heard...”I always thought you were weird for carrying that many knives when you get to carry a gun....but man I needed a knife(or in a few cases a second knife) to cut a seatbelt(or other object)"

How many victims of violent crimes if asked after the fact would be happy to have had a knife available to them when attacked?

I never want to get attacked....I pay attention to my surroundings and do not go into seedy areas...but sometimes that is not enough...

so while my finger is not on the trigger while I shake your hand my guns and knives are within reach....because I would rather have it then not need it...then need it and not have it....

If you only want to carry 1 knife or no knife tool for that matter fine...but do not look down your nose at me because I do...

I am in no way are looking down my nose at anyone. I am stating my experience in life and my preference for dealing with issues that arise.
What I disagree with is people calling others trolls and even suggesting that they may be a murderer for simply stating their personal opinion.
If you want to carry a gun, go for it, I don't. I carry knives as working tools and hawks for play. That's it.

R
 
I AM that guy and I'll continue to be that guy and I'll continue to use my Brain as a defence tool. Since this is becoming a big deal, maybe we should talk about the number of people who decide to take the law into their own hands and get killed because they drew their gun or knife instead of simply giving up their car or letting the guy raid their fridge and calling the POLICE.

R

It's perfectly legal for me to shoot either one. It's not taking the law into my own hands, it's well within the law.

BTW I didn't have to shoot either one.

Nor did "using my brain" have anything to do with it. Being in the middle lane, in traffic, in a busy time, infront of a major mall is about as safe as you can get. Didn't stop the assault.

Sleeping in my home, it's in no way my fault that someone broke in.

Both examples go to show that stuff happens that you can't avoid.

As to how many are killed for not giving up their cars, or not letting someone steal from them -- very few that are ARMED. Many are killed trying to get out of their car to let the scumbag have it, or are killed so as not to leave witnesses in a home invasion.

Just last year a woman was killed in her house after being raped for a few hours, and her son was raped and had drain cleaner poured into his eyes by some scumbags that broke in AFTER she had just told them to take what they wanted and leave, just don't hurt them. This is a guarded, GATED community. "Using their brains" wasn't a factor. Their pacifism killed them.

I was seriously trying to warn you not to be a victim, but if that's what you're adamant to choose, best of luck. Me? I'll make 'em work for it.

BTW feel free to PM me if you want to discuss it further (c'mon man, spend the $10). I have a feeling that this thread is going to have the gates padlocked soon, so I'm bowing out.
 
Padlocking and bowing out is a good idea imo. As for a PM, I think everyone has voiced their opinion and enough has been said. I don't come here to talk the politics of carrying knives as weapons or guns, I come here to discuss the tools of my trade and the things that give me pleasure like throwing tomahawks. We can agree to disagree. The 10 bucks has nothing to do with this issue.

Regards

Robin
 
"BTW, it's sad, but many times you hear of people getting brutalized who once preached about "Going all around the world and never needing to defend myself." Seriously, for your own good, don't be that guy. "

I AM that guy and I'll continue to be that guy and I'll continue to use my Brain as a defence tool. Since this is becoming a big deal, maybe we should talk about the number of people who decide to take the law into their own hands and get killed because they drew their gun or knife instead of simply giving up their car or letting the guy raid their fridge and calling the POLICE.

R

as a Former Police Officer I was under no obligation to protect you or anyone else (I did the protecting but I did not have to)...and as a former Police officer I have seen many times where a person "Did what the bad guy wanted" and got injured or killed because of it...
 
as a Former Police Officer I was under no obligation to protect you or anyone else

Not even if you witnessed the crime in progress?
I'm under no illusions about the police being everywhere to protect me (they aren't), but it IS the job of police to, well, POLICE the illegal actions of people, which would include stopping violence when they see it.
Of course they might have to arrest ME as well (as situations aren't clear-cut usually at first glnce), but at least I wouldn't be getting stabbed still.:D
 
Dude, you live in Canada. . .YOU'RE ALL ZOMBIES!!

Pretty sure this is a joke:), but let's not make this a Canada/USA thing.:rolleyes:
Plenty of folks in both countries view weapons as a good thing.
Plenty of folks in both countries do not.
 
I carry knives and hawks as tools not weapons. Here in Canada if you tell a cop that your knife is for self defence you are admitting that it is a weapon and that will get you arrested.

Regards

Robin

Sorry to hear that.

It's not that big a deal really.
It doesn't cramp my style to have to label my knives as tools for carry, as they ARE used as tools.
I can still defend myself against alley-ninja-zombies if need be; remember, a weapon is just a TOOL used with defensive/offensive intent.:)
As no alley-ninja-zombies have attacked me lately, I just don't say that's the intended use of my knives if asked.;)
 
Not even if you witnessed the crime in progress?
I'm under no illusions about the police being everywhere to protect me (they aren't), but it IS the job of police to, well, POLICE the illegal actions of people, which would include stopping violence when they see it.
Of course they might have to arrest ME as well (as situations aren't clear-cut usually at first glnce), but at least I wouldn't be getting stabbed still.:D
According to SCOTUS an officer is not required to lay down their life in the defense of another’s, that LEO’s are not obligated to save your life.
Now I would have when I was an officer but I was trying to make a point.



WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday, overturning a ruling by a federal appeals court in Colorado... police do not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm...The appeals court had permitted a lawsuit to proceed against a Colorado town, Castle Rock, for the failure of the police to respond to a woman's pleas for help after her estranged husband violated a protective order by kidnapping their three young daughters, whom he eventually killed....


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