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What gets me more than anything else is that a dishonest vendor approached someone now deceased and got him to make something which he (the vendor) likely took credit for. Furthermore, although we are without the details, it is possible that said vendor obtained the rights to use the name of the deceased from his heirs for profit. Hiding behind someone who has passed away to steal another's idea is a VERY low thing to do.

-Jeff
 
Instead of worrying about how to write a remembrance piece about Bub Worrell, a man he apparently duped into copying Neil's design, Ken Vandine should get busy penning an explanation of his own actions. Don't hold your breath through -- it will take quite a bit of creativity, which he appears to lack, to be even marginally believable.

In the meantime, I have an idea for a article that the magazines might be interested in publishing -- The Unethical Side of the Knife Industry, featuring Vandine as a petty but prime example.
 
Originally posted by deltaunit
You do know that Bub had a right up in Tactical knives a couplk eof years ago,
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Hey I have an idea, why you send Blade a copy of the TK article and just put your name on it. The format should be just right and the speeling good too.
 
First I would like to yes I did buy a credit card knife from Neil I remember it quite well, I bought 1. I am sure I showed it to Bub while there at Blade show. I did not ask him to make copies of it, nor have I made any profit from it. I have no clue who put the ad in TK but it was not me. If you are going to point finger and talk sh*t about me, first find out who placed the ad it was not me. I have received no money nor have I seen the ad or the clone, if anyone would send me a scan of the ad I would really like to see it. I have recently had 2 people send me emails asking if I carried the Bub Worrell Card Sharp, which I knew nothing about. I told them to try Cove Cutlery another purveyor who carried Bub's work.


I know it is easy to point at me and say, the evil nasty purveyor is ripping us off, I dare ANYONE to come forward and state truthfully that I sold them one of these knives.

Finally a friend sent me an email pointing me here. Man you guys are so quick to tear someone down you already have found me guilty. Anyone who wants to email me I am here, I just found this out myself. :(

vrichard6@qwest.net

Concerned parties only.
 
Ok, I have to admit that I am really confused here. First off, who is Ken Vandine?

Paul, if you have nothing to do with this ad then why does it have a link to your web site? You say this is the first you have heard of this, but it seems that Neil has been emailing you and you have not been answering these emails. Are you saying that you have not been getting any emails from Neil? This all looks really suspicious to me.


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Mr. Paul, Admittedly we are all guilty of jumping on the bandwagon on the "stoning the sinfull", maybe that was not the most fair thing to do, but many of us commisurate with our FRIEND Neil Blackwood.. and I BELIEVE that he is the kind of man who will think things thru 3 times over before losing it.. I have met him in person and he is not trigger happy.

You should be equally, be worried if others use your website as reference to a deceitful operation. If what you say is true, shame on you for not keeping track of where your business is posted.

if this thing has to be cleared up do it in PUBLIC. If you have nothing to hide then please say so in the forums..

respectfully waiting a response on the forums...
 
I will say so point blank I did not do this thing. And I don't look in every knife magazine to see if my website is being referenced in a deceitful way. I showed Neil's CC knife to many ppl at Blade show and even had Neil's for sale on my site. I have NOT received any from Bub at all, nor any money. I did NOT tell Bub to make them, Has anyone asked Cove Cutlery or knives.com if they have received any for resale? Maybe try and find anyone who have bought any of these knives and see who they bought them from?

Keith I don't know what email Neil has been trying to reach me at but I have not gotten any in my primary mailbox or my business email either. I sent him an email with my phone # and asking him for his. I also posted my primary email here I await anything from him I am here and want to get this resolved.

I know I will always be guilty in many people's eyes, I don't know how I can change that. It does make me quite angry that people who don't know me, didn't wait to hear my side and have never dealt with me, jumped in and just out and out said I was guilty of this.

If anyone has a way to find out who posted the ad, I would really appreciate it. I myself have sold exactly 1 knife in the last month, was not one of these knives.
 
>>>Finally a friend sent me an email pointing me here.<<<

Paul,

Hello!! It's YOUR thread!!

First let me say, I never made an attempt to contact you regarding the CC Knives. Someone else mentioned this above. I really saw no point in it after the success I had in our past dealings with the Medium Tactical (another story) well over a year ago.

For me, this is a simple case of connect the dots. You get a CC Knife from me at the Blade Show. You ask me to provide you with them along with dealer pricing and I decline. An EXACT copy of it shows up in a magazine ad with your website mentioned as a source. Now you mention “showing” the CC Knife to the maker. If all this is pure coincidence and all went on without your knowing I have a feeling hell is about to freeze over and I’m about to win the lottery!!

I rest my case…………


Neil
 
Taking a better look at this situation, I have to admit that this all seems to be based on an assumption and circumstantial evidence that Paul is guilty. There seems to be absolutely no proof that this is indeed the case. Until it is indeed proven that Paul was behind this, we should refrain from carrying on a public lynching.

I really do think that what happened to Neil stinks, but why don't we see if we can get to the bottom of this before we tar and feather Paul and ride him out of town on a rail? Does anyone know someone at Tactical Knives well enough to find out who placed that ad?
 
Neil I did send you my phone #. You really think I said Here Bub make a copy of this? Man you don't know me or Bub, I hustle my a$$ to get knifemakers on my website and am above board in my dealings with people, but I now decide to ripoff your design, knowing that it would be out there for all to see??

Do I seem like an idiot??

I am sitting next to the phone if you want to call.

How about we get a hold of cove cutlery, knives.com and Sava Damlovac who was at Bub's when they wnet through his knives he had there. I mean let's get to the bottom of this, I am here, I want it resolved.
 
Originally posted by Keith Montgomery
Ok, I have to admit that I am really confused here. First off, who is Ken Vandine?...
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I'm sorry for the confusion, Keith. I don't know where I came up with "Ken". I meant Paul Vandine, AKA viper5192. Actually, I may have inadvertently given Paul an out -- he could always claim that Ken is his evil twin. :rolleyes:

As to the rest, I cannot help but draw the same conclusion as Neil. It sucks but I now hear from Paul is what I believe to be a particularly onerous prevarication -- i.e., an intimation, blaming a dead man for theft of intellectual property.
 
When did I intimate that Bub did this? I don't know who did but it was not me. I DO know that for a fact. And if you don't know me why call me a liar? Do I know you? Hev we ever talked or had dealings?
 
Paul; I have been watching this thread and have to reply. Although I have never met you personally, I *have* had "dealings" with you, and have found none of them favorable. I will leave it at that for now.
 
Seems like a LOT of coincidence here.. Uh huh..
As many have said Neil is the LAST guy to go around crying RIPOFF! And you would REALLY have to do something to make this guy GO OFF!!!
Hell I sold you one knife at full price in Atlanta, and now you have my name in your ads:rolleyes: Thats NOT how dealers do things..
I hope this gets worked out, cause its pissing me off just watching it...
 
In the meantime, I have an idea for a article that the magazines might be interested in publishing -- The Unethical Side of the Knife Industry,
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Something very much like that is actually in the works.
 
Originally posted by viper5192
...Do I seem like an idiot??...
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That is a question that folks should answer for themselves.
http://www.circlepknives.com/CP_Profile.htm

Originally posted by viper5192
...When did I intimate that Bub did this?...
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By your virtual shrug of your shoulders & denying knowledge of who might have placed an ad, listing your Web site, you are equivocating and trying to shift the blame elsewhere. Who is better to blame than a dead man?

Originally posted by viper5192
...And if you don't know me why call me a liar? Do I know you? Hev we ever talked or had dealings?
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No, we have never had any dealings. Thankfully, that is one bullet that I dodged. As to why I call you a liar, it is an easy conclusion to draw based upon how loosely you have played with the truth in the past.
 
Originally posted by SPryor Knives
Paul; I have been watching this thread and have to reply. Although I have never met you personally, I *have* had "dealings" with you, and have found none of them favorable. I will leave it at that for now.
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This is getting more interesting by the minute.

Steve, I love that signature of yours.
 
I am guilty!

I have been entertained for about 20 minutes reading this thread. It's like a soap opera...

It makes me a little ill to know these are REAL characters though.:(

Thoughts lead to actions, actions become our CHARACTER; PERIOD!
 
There is nothing enetertaining here, this is quite serious Darby.

Keith, Paul's position is that he has done nothing whatsoever, and his "hands are clean". I gather his position is that he has no idea who asked Worrell knives to have these CLONED, has no idea who placed the advertisement, and has no idea how or why "Circle P knives" is named as a distributor/Dealer for these.

So let's look at what we do know. paul approached Neil at BLADE. There was converation about Circle P being a dealer for Neil's CC knife. It did not happen for whatever reason and Paul bought a few.

Paul says he showed them to Bub and discussed them with him, nothing more. He has played NO role, played NO part, and has NO knowledge as to how, who, when, where and why. Paul claims he is totally and completely innocent and someone else has done this and tacked "Circle P's" website on an advertisement in a knife magazine.

So if this is correct, Paul is hit with some powerful circumstantial evidence but in this case he is as in the dark as Neil is. If this is correct, all E-mailed inquires made to Circle P concerning the purchase of these CC knives has been met with a "I have no idea what you mean, what CC knives?" If this is correct, someone else is responsible and Paul played no part in this whatsoever.

Am I correct Paul; your position on this matter is that you are an absolute unwitting particpant in this and prior to this Thread you were in the complete and utter darkness about this?

Ira
 
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