HEST/F by Lionsteel

furfmonkey said:
2 questions why not a better steel for that price like s30v and id love to see a stonewash finish any coating or color on a blade (especially hard use like this is meant for ) will lose the finish and make the blade look like crap..If i was going to buy one i would want a better bladesteel and at least an option for stonewash on my $200 knife i mean if i want D2 i can get a comparable knife for half the price.. not trying to bash i actually want answers.. i would buy the knife if these changes were available/made
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I understand if you don't like D2 steel, but it is not inferior to s30v. If D2 was so bad I don't think someone like Bob Dozier would use it and get $500 for knives made out of it.

So far my HEST/F has shown great edge holding & gets back to razor sharp with just a little stropping.
 
JTC3495 said:
I understand if you don't like D2 steel, but it is not inferior to s30v. If D2 was so bad I don't think someone like Bob Dozier would use it and get $500 for knives made out of it.

So far my HEST/F has shown great edge holding & gets back to razor sharp with just a little stropping.
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The D2 you have in the HEST/F is not Dozier D2. It's going to have some real differences in performance, so that's not something to compare it with.
 
I will take the s30v steel in the Doug Ritter grip over D2 anyday just my personal preference and yes its definitely not dozier D2
 
Dr Heelhook said:
What's wrong with the glass breaker (other than that it's rude to break other people's windows)?
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I don't recall ever breaking glass on purpose. :confused: I'm not taking it off, I just don't plan on using it. EMT's/Cops may need one regularly but I do not.

JTC3495 said:
I understand if you don't like D2 steel, but it is not inferior to s30v. If D2 was so bad I don't think someone like Bob Dozier would use it and get $500 for knives made out of it.

So far my HEST/F has shown great edge holding & gets back to razor sharp with just a little stropping.
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There's nothing wrong with D2. I love the edge retention of S30V but it has been prone to it's edge chipping out in my experience. I've used 3 Doziers extensively and other D2 blades by Coombs and Spyderco. I've never had one chip out and none have disappointed me in their performance.
 
Just got mine tonight and really like it. For me it fits the bill well with blade and handle size, like the low rider clip and better to have it and not need it for the glass breaker. There is now a spot on my arm that needs a toupee!
 
it seems to me like a glass breaker on a knife is not necessary .. as a NYC cop and a volunteer fireman for over 10 years i have broken many windows BUT... never with a knife... in a moment where you would NEED to break a window to save a life (pretty much the only time you need to) a cop would most likely use either their expandable baton or big mag lite (makes a a nice impact weapon too) and firemen... well firemen carry all kinds of toys that can easily break a window.. i think a glassbreaker on this particular knife is either for show or maybe DPX 's idea is to use it as an improvised impact weapon ala the crown of a surefire if its billed as a hard use/survival knife in my mind that means out in the woods or on the trails or camping etc not too much glass out there IMO .. again its only 1 mans opinion and people are free to like (and dislike) whatever they wish..


PS D2 is a fine steel and im sure its more than adequate on the HEST ....i must own 20 knifes with D2 but on a knife that is made for hard use i would have liked to seen s30v or better on it for the pricepoint i am also pretty sure most of the current s30v blades don't really chip they way they did 5 yrs ago when s30v first became popular ......i have NEVER had any problems with my Doug Ritter grip and i have literally beat that thing to death batoning improper use etc... and again just to be clear its just little things i would have liked to see or dont see as necessary ..

the DPX HEST is a fine knife and im sure it will do well ... so please dont flame me for my opinion for its only just that an opinion from a stranger on the internet
 
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"only just that an opinion from a stranger on the internet"

But if you had to hike in for a month and carry everything on your back...which knife would you bring. I bring two: a fixed HEST for camp and bush work and the HEST/F for fine cutting, urban EDC.

I think the part that you may be missing is that the HEST/F is designed by myself for my specific uses and experience. My use is that I head out for about two weeks to a month with no support or backup so everything has to work and be field expedient. It has to be affordable enough to not make me break down and cry if I lose it or give it away.

The HEST fixed is spring steel and made to be severely abused as an ax, field knife, skinner etc etc. It gets field sharpened. the HEST/F is more urban self defense product with the need to keep cutting without constant sharpening. I often augment my kit with a locally bought parang or machete. Sometimes I even carry a little Leatherman scissors for minor surgical stuff.

Nobody breaks glass with a glass breaker. But the HEST/F gripped and punched in the right spots has a very nasty trademark, just like using the pry bar in the closed hand hold on the HEST fixed. Yes you can break glass with it but you could also use the tip or handle in a pinch.

I fully appreciate that people aren't going to Somalia, Chechnya, Afghanistan or the tribal areas so they can also remove the glass breaker, they can bring a sharpener, even oil things and not get them dirty but I hope they are made more confident that I truly enjoy pushing these knives to the limit and have chosen the materials according to that use.

As more and more customers use their HESTs there will be an evolution of products to match their needs. So opinions from strangers on the internet are helpful as long as you understand that the goal is to build a light, strong, useful survival tool.

Nobody really gives a damn what your blade looks like behind enemy lines. Even less if you come back alive :)
 
well said my friend.... i could see some operatives using the glass breaker for "other" uses as well :) I completely understand the need for a dependable knife in a military or even special ops use... half of my knifes are tactical or military spec/genuine issue almost all of my partners on the force and fire dept have served overseas at one time or another and they would all agree with you on the knives its not even a question... your knife can and will be abused and must be up to task.. glad to see another company making a good product... i doubt many of the people who purchase it here on the forums or in the us will put it through half of the paces you must have before production :)


we always need more companies pushing the envelope and making kick ass knives please don't get me wrong im not trying to put your product down. in a tactical field situation its more than adequate.. for anything else like (edc or around the house etc) it might be too much knife!!! :) as a cop i would totally give someone carrying that beast of a knife a second look or have some real questions as to why they are carrying such a serious weapon on them lol
 
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I think it's a pretty sweet blade, I just wish (and I know this is highly unlikely) that the price could come down $25. If it did, I'd own one.
 
Kfgk14...based on what I have seen on Bladeforums, the price is actually going UP. The folders on ebay have jumped up to 189 and there are only two left. There was one sold here for $210 and the fixed blade has now climbed over 100 bucks. The guys that made out like bandits were the DPx Gun Club. They got a tattoo and got into the Club.

I would like to make my products affordable to everyone. I grew up poor, lived in a car and worked hard for everything I own. So hang in there. Maybe one those cranky HEST owners and RYP haters will sell you their HEST cheap. :)
 
How do you know, when looking to purchase, which folders have the tip issue and which do not? Or do they all have that issue?
 
MUST.... RESIST!!!!..... MUST.... RESIST!!!!!


AHHHHHRGHHHH.... I can't. Off to look at my favorite shop to see what they might have and how much.....

DAMN!!!!
 
furfmonkey said:
it seems to me like a glass breaker on a knife is not necessary .. as a NYC cop and a volunteer fireman for over 10 years i have broken many windows BUT... never with a knife... in a moment where you would NEED to break a window to save a life (pretty much the only time you need to) a cop would most likely use either their expandable baton or big mag lite (makes a a nice impact weapon too) and firemen... well firemen carry all kinds of toys that can easily break a window.. i think a glassbreaker on this particular knife is either for show or maybe DPX 's idea is to use it as an improvised impact weapon ala the crown of a surefire if its billed as a hard use/survival knife in my mind that means out in the woods or on the trails or camping etc not too much glass out there IMO .. again its only 1 mans opinion and people are free to like (and dislike) whatever they wish..


PS D2 is a fine steel and im sure its more than adequate on the HEST ....i must own 20 knifes with D2 but on a knife that is made for hard use i would have liked to seen s30v or better on it for the pricepoint i am also pretty sure most of the current s30v blades don't really chip they way they did 5 yrs ago when s30v first became popular ......i have NEVER had any problems with my Doug Ritter grip and i have literally beat that thing to death batoning improper use etc... and again just to be clear its just little things i would have liked to see or dont see as necessary ..

the DPX HEST is a fine knife and im sure it will do well ... so please dont flame me for my opinion for its only just that an opinion from a stranger on the internet
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Need a glass breaker, no.

However, I am neither a cop or a fireman, and if I need to get out of a car, I'll be damned if I am going to wait for one to show up. Same as if I want to get someone out.

Having one couldnt hurt.

It certainly isnt obtrusive in the design, and it comes with a flat screw to replace it if you like.
 
yeah my reasoning for that reply was in a rural or urban EDC use ... the knife is made spot on for tactical or extreme survival just seems like overkill for EDC ... but again just my opinion .. i also think certain emersons sogs and Benchmades are overkill for EDC ....as well tactical knives have their place just like kitchen knives utility knives and gents folders .. i was applying the glassbreaker as overkill for edc... As a cop i would look at that knife and say "you are definitely not carrying this for opening your UPS delivery" thats alot of knife to carry at home or in a town or city setting ...... that was the point i apparently never made in my previous post(s) ..... like i said many times now great $#@ knife just overkill for EDC IMO unless your active duty or serving somewhere ...... but THAT is what the knife is built for... personally i was gonna carry it on duty but its a little heavy im already wearing a vest a full belts 2 sidearms 2 flashlights and all the other gear nypd makes us carry to fight crime :)



But for its intended purpose its almost perfect :)
 
furfmonkey said:
yeah my reasoning for that reply was in a rural or urban EDC use ... the knife is made spot on for tactical or extreme survival just seems like overkill for EDC ... but again just my opinion .. i also think certain emersons sogs and Benchmades are overkill for EDC ....as well tactical knives have their place just like kitchen knives utility knives and gents folders .. i was applying the glassbreaker as overkill for edc... As a cop i would look at that knife and say "you are definitely not carrying this for opening your UPS delivery" thats alot of knife to carry at home or in a town or city setting ...... that was the point i apparently never made in my previous post(s) ..... like i said many times now great $#@ knife just overkill for EDC IMO unless your active duty or serving somewhere ...... but THAT is what the knife is built for... personally i was gonna carry it on duty but its a little heavy im already wearing a vest a full belts 2 sidearms 2 flashlights and all the other gear nypd makes us carry to fight crime :)



But for its intended purpose its almost perfect :)
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You dont have to be a cop to want to get out of a wrecked vehicle.

Guess I could shoot it out with my Glock 27. I suppose thats overkill for EDC, too?

No cop around here would bat an eye at a HEST.
 
I think the HEST/F is small enough not to raise many eyebrows, except of course for its cool look that can summon some curiosity
 
"great $#@ knife just overkill for EDC"

yes...but there are softer EDC options.....:)

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Tripton
it seems you are either reading my text out of context or looking for an argument.. i could be reading into it too much myself.. it would be utterly ridiculous to say "Guess I could shoot it out with my Glock 27. I suppose thats overkill for EDC, too" that looks like your trying to be sarcastic/argumentative i was simply trying to voice an opinion not get flamed with stupid comments like that ... of course if you in a life and death situation you would use anything on hand to live ...hell i would bang on the window with my feet elbows anything .. you missed my point completely and decided to be a smartass.. this is the problem with the internet no room for intelligent discussion or sharing of opinions just shoot other people down anonymously for entertainment .... its not like i said anything bad i did nothing but praise the knife for its intended purpose simply stated that if you were walking around a city with that knife and a cop saw it you better have a good explanation or be in fatigues its definitely not a gents folder (and of course its not supposed to be one) ok im going to bed i have a 7-3 tomorrow and i would rather tuck my son into bed than banter back and forth with you on the internet...:)

Soulrack223 said:
I don't recall ever breaking glass on purpose. :confused: I'm not taking it off, I just don't plan on using it. EMT's/Cops may need one regularly but I do not.
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and yes RYP thats all i meant for EDC its a lil much but hey... carry what you want :) i was just speaking of the legality of EDCing a TAC blade again great knife but i would totally stop and question a person carrying that in NYC for their intentions SAK it isn't :)
 
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RYP said:
"great $#@ knife just overkill for EDC"

yes...but there are softer EDC options.....:)

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dude i just spit milk all over my keyboard ....well played sir....well played :) my wife would LOVE that!!! i might have to get her one :)
 
myright said:
How do you know, when looking to purchase, which folders have the tip issue and which do not? Or do they all have that issue?
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This problem seemed to only appear on the early LE knives. All the production ones I have seen & read about are ok.
 
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