HEST/F by Lionsteel

"great knife but i would totally stop and question a person carrying that in NYC for their intentions SAK it isn't"

I am curious, from a professional standpoint, if someone had it politely tucked in their pocket with only the clip showing what would raise your antennae?

We are going to be selling black, unmarked and hole less clips for HEST/F owners but your opinion would be appreciated.
 
RYP said:
A stonewash finish is fine when you have a chromium heavy blade and don't worry about visual print during use. The HEST/F is specifically kept low profile, the coating adds to the cutting ability and I personally like a knife that looks like it has been there, done that.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222840
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Coatings add nothing to cutting ability.

Initial cutting performance is based on edge sharpness and blade geometry (read thinness and grind type).

Coatings will cut down on light reflection, look cool (to some), and may add some initial corrosion resistant before they become scratched, which most will.

In fact, most coatings add to drag/friction and increase the surface area of the blade, which reduces cutting ability...
 
honest answer? depends on whos carrying it (do they look suspicious or in wrong place wrong time?) many variables there but if it was a reg looking guy i might ask them to show it to me ask a question or 2 and just let them know other cops might break their $#@ about it NYC knife laws say ANY knife clipped or concealed in pocket (lanyard or not) is concealed and hence illegal and open to getting your butt hassled by cops

again every cop is different some cops are cool with clipped knives and some look at it as an easy ticket or even a free knife to confiscate.. (totally wrong IMO) i knew cops who had lockers full of confiscated knives .. technically they are thieves most of the time i use the clipped knife as a reason to check someone i believe to have a warrant because where i work in Brooklyn only 2 kinds of people carry knives cops and criminals anyone who lives there knows not to carry anything more than a trad folder or box cutter
 
"Coatings add nothing to cutting ability."

not true at all. "Lubricity" is the search term :)
 
RYP said:
We are going to be selling black, unmarked and hole less clips for HEST/F owners but your opinion would be appreciated.
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RYP, that's fantastic news. Not only would a black, holeless clip be an upgrade in the looks department, but anything that makes the knife even more discreet is good in my book:thumbup: Will these new clips be replacing the old ones or will they just be available for purchase separately?

Also, any word on when more HEST folders will be hitting dealers? I'm wanting to buy a lefty version and don't know where to order from as there seems to be a lack of information out there about all the sites stocking the knife. Is knifecenter my best bet for getting a lefty asap or are there other places you might suggest?
 
furfmonkey said:
Tripton
it seems you are either reading my text out of context or looking for an argument.. i could be reading into it too much myself.. it would be utterly ridiculous to say "Guess I could shoot it out with my Glock 27. I suppose thats overkill for EDC, too" that looks like your trying to be sarcastic/argumentative i was simply trying to voice an opinion not get flamed with stupid comments like that ... of course if you in a life and death situation you would use anything on hand to live ...hell i would bang on the window with my feet elbows anything .. you missed my point completely and decided to be a smartass.. this is the problem with the internet no room for intelligent discussion or sharing of opinions just shoot other people down anonymously for entertainment .... its not like i said anything bad i did nothing but praise the knife for its intended purpose simply stated that if you were walking around a city with that knife and a cop saw it you better have a good explanation or be in fatigues its definitely not a gents folder (and of course its not supposed to be one) ok im going to bed i have a 7-3 tomorrow and i would rather tuck my son into bed than banter back and forth with you on the internet...:)



and yes RYP thats all i meant for EDC its a lil much but hey... carry what you want :) i was just speaking of the legality of EDCing a TAC blade again great knife but i would totally stop and question a person carrying that in NYC for their intentions SAK it isn't :)
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Im not reading anything out of context. You make is sound as if, for a general citizen, the HEST is overkill. I disagree. I think it has a good mixture of useful features that any normal person could use throughout a day.

You suggest that a person that isnt LEO or fireman would never need a glass breaker. I say that any person can come across a situation in which it could be handy, and I am not (as per your observation) going to wait for a LEO to bust out a window with a baton. I can do it myself, thanks. Especially if it is incorporated into a design as gracefully as the HEST, or (for another example) the Umnumzaan. Since you hate the idea of a normal citizen carrying a knife with a glass breaker (because it makes it "tactical" and therefore more dangerous?"), I can only imagine your thoughts of a regular citizen carrying a gun...hence the Glock comment.


My EDC is of no concern to you, but I assure you that it is far beyond a simple SAK. I am not breaking the law, so frankly, it is none of the cops damned business. Where I am, people with proper permits are not even required to inform officers that you are carrying a gun. My lowly pocketknife is none of your concern.

My state has a maximum blade length law of 5 inches, and is only illegal if concealed. No matter, as I have a permit to carry "dangerous weapons". This applies to cities as well.

I have showed my knife to a few cops, one being a sibling of mine...and all they wanted to know was where to get one.

Care to guess how many HEST/Fs are going to be used EDC, as opposed to "tactical or extreme survival" use? If you think that it is solely for said conditions, you may have read into the hype a bit too seriously.

For that matter, how many up-to-no-good thugs do you pat down that carry $175 knives?


At any rate, the only way that a cop would be able to see the knife is to reach into my pocket and grab it...and I give you no reason to do such things anyway.
 
LOL...my job is just that a job.... thanks for the morning laugh though :) people can EDC w/e they want ..that doesn't mean it won't fall under certain categories based up state and federal laws... I am sure the laws in Iowa are much different than those in New York City and they have to be for the safety of its citizens.... again you blew what i said WAY out of proportion try not getting so uptight over what other people say.. Enjoy the laws of your state.. and enjoy breaking all that glass in Iowa..:):thumbup: ok back to fighting crime...
 
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RYP said:
"great knife but i would totally stop and question a person carrying that in NYC for their intentions SAK it isn't"

I am curious, from a professional standpoint, if someone had it politely tucked in their pocket with only the clip showing what would raise your antennae?

We are going to be selling black, unmarked and hole less clips for HEST/F owners but your opinion would be appreciated.
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I like the "Skull Crusher" It has many functions. :D
 
on the glass breaker i've actually had to use one a couple of times. it would have been nice to have something made to do it instead of the hammer i had to use. hopefully i won't have my kids lock the keys in the truck 50 miles from anywhere and with no cell service again.

as the the bottle opener, i've been sitting around a campfire many times opening beers that were not screw tops, usually used a multi tool, now i use the hest.

i've been using my le model pretty hard the last month and the more i've used it the better i like it. the knife has smoothed out very nicely and the lock is very strong and tight, had issues at first but there all worked out now.

take it easy
cricket
 
furfmonkey said:
for EDC its a lil much but hey... carry what you want :) i was just speaking of the legality of EDCing a TAC blade again great knife but i would totally stop and question a person carrying that in NYC for their intentions SAK it isn't :)
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A little much? What are you talking about? Do you mean inside NYC or outside of NYC too? :confused:

Are you even a knife enthusiast?

The only smaller EDC knives that I own are my two Delica 4s. In Missouri (where I live) the law is no Autos and no blades over 4". The HEST/F is well within the law.
 
furfmonkey said:
I am sure the laws in Iowa are much different than those in New York City ........................................................................................................................................ Enjoy the laws of your state.. and enjoy breaking all that glass in Iowa..:):thumbup: ok back to fighting crime...
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I assure you the laws in NYC are a far sight different from most of the country, thank God.
 
VR4 said:
Also, any word on when more HEST folders will be hitting dealers? I'm wanting to buy a lefty version and don't know where to order from as there seems to be a lack of information out there about all the sites stocking the knife. Is knifecenter my best bet for getting a lefty asap or are there other places you might suggest?
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There was one lefty posted by Howe's Knife Shop in the Dealer for sale area.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=826297
 
Aside from the knife comments it is a little disturbing that a knife enthusiest is questioning why we would want to carry such an "aggresive" knife. I understand you having to do your job, but if it is legal in our respective states then we should be able to carry whatever we want, and not be questioned about it unless we break the law.
 
furfmonkey said:
honest answer? depends on whos carrying it (do they look suspicious or in wrong place wrong time?) many variables there but if it was a reg looking guy i might ask them to show it to me ask a question or 2 and just let them know other cops might break their $#@ about it NYC knife laws say ANY knife clipped or concealed in pocket (lanyard or not) is concealed and hence illegal and open to getting your butt hassled by cops
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and this in America. How pathetic.:barf: At what point in time did NYC think they knew better than the constitution? Of all places, NYC is where I want a EDC like the HEST/F.
 
furfmonkey said:
honest answer? depends on whos carrying it (do they look suspicious or in wrong place wrong time?) many variables there but if it was a reg looking guy i might ask them to show it to me ask a question or 2 and just let them know other cops might break their $#@ about it NYC knife laws say ANY knife clipped or concealed in pocket (lanyard or not) is concealed and hence illegal and open to getting your butt hassled by cops

again every cop is different some cops are cool with clipped knives and some look at it as an easy ticket or even a free knife to confiscate.. (totally wrong IMO) i knew cops who had lockers full of confiscated knives .. technically they are thieves most of the time i use the clipped knife as a reason to check someone i believe to have a warrant because where i work in Brooklyn only 2 kinds of people carry knives cops and criminals anyone who lives there knows not to carry anything more than a trad folder or box cutter
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Hi furfmonkey,

Just questioning the bolded. Every time I've looked at the NYC admin code, it implies that a knife must be concealed unless engaged in a lawful act, otherwise it would be illegal. Specifically 10-133 last line of a. and c., quoted below. This is where I understand the clip to be an issue since if its visible, the knife is considered being in "open view".
a. ... It is further declared and found that
the wearing or carrying of knives in open view in public places while
such knives are not being used for a lawful purpose is unnecessary and
threatening to the public and should be prohibited.
...
c. It shall be unlawful for any person in a public place, street or
park, to wear outside of his or her clothing or carry in open view any
knife with an exposed or unexposed blade unless such person is actually
using such knife for a lawful purpose as set forth in subdivision d of
this section.
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This is more appropriate for the Knife Laws sub-forum though. There are a number of threads going on specifically on what you can/should carry in NYC and I'm sure input from active NYC LEO would be appreciated.
 
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Butter Knife, Monkey Wrench, Latex Gloves and Vaseline it doesn’t matter what's in the hand of a criminal mind. 8 out of 10 times they are going to commit crime. So, good people need to be able to protect themselves from criminal minds. This tool can help them do that and more. (Skin a deer, set a trap, build shelter, break glass or skulls in an emergency situation, open a package from the post office containing another new knife and on and on and on and on). It’s too bad the Constitution is overlooked by the Politically Incorrect. Most of the Politicians in office are scared of a fingernail file. So let’s outlaw fingernail files over 3 inches! Pathetic!
 
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