Hinderer forum gone?

[Karda]

Going back and forth with karda is a waste of time as usual. Your opinion isn't fact. You talk as if your opinion is better than ours, troll... You've heard that before haven't you karda. I'll leave it at that.

So you can't talk about it and we're just supposed to take you at your word. Does that sum it up?

Well, I have bee a moderator, supermoderator, manufacturer rep and have worked in sales the better part of my life. Positions that leave me uniquely qualified to see both sides of the story. What are your credentials again?

 

[shinyedges]

Yea you were a great super mod right? Why did that change again?

You want to pull the super mod card ? Really?

You constantly believe your thoughts are fact, apparently you have issues other wise you would still be a super mod.

News flash your no better than anyone.

Well, I have bee a moderator, supermoderator, manufacturer rep and have worked in sales the better part of my life. Positions that leave me uniquely qualified to see both sides of the story. What are your credentials again?

 

[bld522]

Well, I have bee a moderator, supermoderator, manufacturer rep and have worked in sales the better part of my life. Positions that leave me uniquely qualified to see both sides of the story. What are your credentials again?

So have I. Next . . .

 

[shinyedges]

By the way karda , this thread isn't about you. I realize you like being the center of attention, but please allow the topic to regain control. You said your opinion, been noted, now the subject can continue?

 

[Karda]

Yea you were a great super mod right? Why did that change again?

You want to pull the super mod card ? Really?

You constantly believe your thoughts are fact, apparently you have issues other wise you would still be a super mod.

News flash your no better than anyone.

Your inner troll is showing.
Everyone is allowed their opinion.....you know what they say about opinions though....

 

[RevDevil]

While some people are like that, the dude who asked the tough questions in the hinderer forum contributes in testing and reviews. And I see nothing wrong with looking for clarity, when in gkd a debate is being had on the amount of work a company does in house to their own blades. Sometimes asking for information comes off as just "generating heat" but perhaps they are valid questions.

I agree on the people who don't contribute in ANY way other than pot stirring. But I don't think that was the case here.

One of the dudes that asked the tough questions historically has been agent provocateur with other manufacturers and has a history to prove it. In addition claiming to be a tough as nails "asshole, this is just how I am and my personality, tough shit" should not be worn as a badge of honor. There is a way to discuss topics without trying to be a door kicker.

There was recently a thread in GKD where someone, a member stated matter of factly from out of the blue that ZT uses inferior materials to other companies. He conveniently never returned to the thread last I saw, I called for evidence of the bold claims, and none were given, again last I checked. Someone coming in, a newb reads this and takes it as truth. And forms a prejudiced opinion. How is that constructive at all?

Too many people confuse this place for a place to simply bitch about everything they can muster. That is NOT what this place is for. If you or anyone else have complaints about a product you take it to the manufacturer directly, you don't go to a public town square and shout like a mad man about conspiracy. I don't know how many people posting here right now have ever or currently owned a Hinderer knife, I have 3 myself. One must take certain authoritative sounding posts from non-authorities with a grain of salt.

There is a little thing called tact, when these hot headed heat generators lack it, they bring more problems than they purportedly fix. These same people feel that tact is for girly men and not for the real machoest macho men of the group. Being polite and well mannered is not a weakness, sorry to break the news to some folks. When problems arise and misinformation spreads like wildfire, we have problems. It may not be the sole reason that some manufacturers are not here, but it surely cannot be excluded as a very viable possibility.

Imagine working hard for 20 years on something, only to be told repeated by an anonymous no named person that the product is absolutely shit, and not worth it's price, and is of shady origins? It seems counter productive to provide feedback in that manner because there is only one obvious way it can be received. This is why I've said it in the past and said it often. If there is a problem, it needs to be reported. We will do our best to deal with it.

Oe final thing, this is not about manufacturers at large, it is about one, as per the title. Every other case is different. Some manufacturers leave because they don't feel appreciated or if they can benefit their business as karda said. B the same token, they don't want to hang around where people get infracted every time they touch their keyboard either and be labelled a troll for asking a truly honest question.

 

[shinyedges]

Ok karda, done?

Your inner troll is showing.
Everyone is allowed their opinion.....you know what they say about opinions though....

 

[Karda]

By the way karda , this thread isn't about you. I realize you like being the center of attention, but please allow the topic to regain control. You said your opinion, been noted, now the subject can continue?

Then don't make it about me. Discuss the topic.

Ok karda, done?

Not by a long shot. My opinion, as well as anyone elses, are just as valid as yours.

 

[Skimo]

Oh boy, another Karda pissing contest. Isn't there some rule about butting into a thread and intentionally derailing it?

The thing I think should be noted again is that this forum gave Hinderer knives MASSIVE exposure, a metric ton of hype and accordingly increased orders. These forums are excellent for people looking to find the next best thing. They found it, they bought it. I never took the time to post in there and tell them that the XM-18 is very small in hand, not especially smooth or special enough to justify the cost. What mattered to me was other people willing to buy it and not losing money in the process. No love or hate from me for the brand, I paid to see the hype, saw the norm.

 

[shinyedges]

I see where you're coming from, and I agree with ignorant provocateurs getting the boot for slinging bad info.

I also understand the manufacturer's feelings when being told their product is crap. But sometimes feedback that isn't meant to be taken as an outright diss falls upon deaf ears.

I'm former military as are many others here and I agree the macho , door kicker attitude is unnecessary and a detractor from any real conversation.

Bld522 used sal as a prime example of how a cool calm person listens to feedback and the occasional asswipe and handles both very well. If a product marketed to individuals has an issue , the company should hear them out.

I don't think you and I are far apart on opinions on this.

And you're 100 % correct that tact goes a LONG way.

Not all manufacturer's have good mods that can handle the wide variety of people they will encounter here, as esav noted. I think more experienced moderation would go a LONG way.

One of the dudes that asked the tough questions historically has been agent provocateur with other manufacturers and has a history to prove it. In addition claiming to be a tough as nails "asshole, this is just how I am and my personality, tough shit" should not be worn as a badge of honor. There is a way to discuss topics without trying to be a door kicker.

There was recently a thread in GKD where someone, a member stated matter of factly from out of the blue that ZT uses inferior materials to other companies. He conveniently never returned to the thread last I saw, I called for evidence of the bold claims, and none were given, again last I checked. Someone coming in, a newb reads this and takes it as truth. And forms a prejudiced opinion. How is that constructive at all?

Too many people confuse this place for a place to simply bitch about everything they can muster. That is NOT what this place is for. If you or anyone else have complaints about a product you take it to the manufacturer directly, you don't go to a public town square and shout like a mad man about conspiracy. I don't know how many people posting here right now have ever or currently owned a Hinderer knife, I have 3 myself. One must take certain authoritative sounding posts from non-authorities with a grain of salt.

There is a little thing called tact, when these hot headed heat generators lack it, they bring more problems than they purportedly fix. These same people feel that tact is for girly men and not for the real machoest macho men of the group. Being polite and well mannered is not a weakness, sorry to break the news to some folks. When problems arise and misinformation spreads like wildfire, we have problems. It may not be the sole reason that some manufacturers are not here, but it surely cannot be excluded as a very viable possibility.

Imagine working hard for 20 years on something, only to be told repeated by an anonymous no named person that the product is absolutely shit, and not worth it's price, and is of shady origins? It seems counter productive to provide feedback in that manner because there is only one obvious way it can be received. This is why I've said it in the past and said it often. If there is a problem, it needs to be reported. We will do our best to deal with it.

 

[shinyedges]

Ok karda.

Then don't make it about me. Discuss the topic.



Not by a long shot. My opinion, as well as anyone elses, are just as valid as yours.

 

[Karda]

Oh boy, another Karda pissing contest. Isn't there some rule about butting into a thread and intentionally derailing it?

Whos derailing or butting in? Aside from answering trolls, my posts were on topic. Are you here to discuss the topic or the other posters?

 

[Skimo]

Oh boy, another Karda pissing contest. Isn't there some rule about butting into a thread and intentionally derailing it?

The thing I think should be noted again is that this forum gave Hinderer knives MASSIVE exposure, a metric ton of hype and accordingly increased orders. These forums are excellent for people looking to find the next best thing. They found it, they bought it. I never took the time to post in there and tell them that the XM-18 is very small in hand, not especially smooth or special enough to justify the cost. What mattered to me was other people willing to buy it and not losing money in the process. No love or hate from me for the brand, I paid to see the hype, saw the norm.

Well, I have bee a moderator, supermoderator, manufacturer rep and have worked in sales the better part of my life. Positions that leave me uniquely qualified to see both sides of the story. What are your credentials again?

Whos derailing or butting in? Aside from answering trolls, my posts were on topic. Are you here to discuss the topic or the other posters?

When you quote me, please quote in context.

I replied with my opinion. Instead of answering my opinion you try even more 'verbal judo'. Please respond with something related to the topic.

 

[shinyedges]

That's all you've done this whole thread is sling the TROLL insult and talk about how you WERE a supermod blah blah. You call people trolls regularly even though that is EXACTLY what your doing. You have issues , let it go dude.

Whos derailing or butting in? Aside from answering trolls, my posts were on topic. Are you here to discuss the topic or the other posters?

 

[Karda]

What I am saying, is that if the members here value the presence and participation of manufacturers on this forum, then they should act in the same manner they would wish the manufacturer to act towards them. Manners, respect and civility go along way. Positive interaction goes a long way.
There are two types of people in this world. Those that build up and those that tear down. Unfortunately, on this forum especially, we see far to many of the latter.

 

[bld522]

One of the dudes that asked the tough questions historically has been agent provocateur with other manufacturers and has a history to prove it. In addition claiming to be a tough as nails "asshole, this is just how I am and my personality, tough shit" should not be worn as a badge of honor. There is a way to discuss topics without trying to be a door kicker.

There was recently a thread in GKD where someone, a member stated matter of factly from out of the blue that ZT uses inferior materials to other companies. He conveniently never returned to the thread last I saw, I called for evidence of the bold claims, and none were given, again last I checked. Someone coming in, a newb reads this and takes it as truth. And forms a prejudiced opinion. How is that constructive at all?

Too many people confuse this place for a place to simply bitch about everything they can muster. That is NOT what this place is for. If you or anyone else have complaints about a product you take it to the manufacturer directly, you don't go to a public town square and shout like a mad man about conspiracy. I don't know how many people posting here right now have ever or currently owned a Hinderer knife, I have 3 myself. One must take certain authoritative sounding posts from non-authorities with a grain of salt.

There is a little thing called tact, when these hot headed heat generators lack it, they bring more problems than they purportedly fix. These same people feel that tact is for girly men and not for the real machoest macho men of the group. Being polite and well mannered is not a weakness, sorry to break the news to some folks. When problems arise and misinformation spreads like wildfire, we have problems. It may not be the sole reason that some manufacturers are not here, but it surely cannot be excluded as a very viable possibility.

Imagine working hard for 20 years on something, only to be told repeated by an anonymous no named person that the product is absolutely shit, and not worth it's price, and is of shady origins? It seems counter productive to provide feedback in that manner because there is only one obvious way it can be received. This is why I've said it in the past and said it often. If there is a problem, it needs to be reported. We will do our best to deal with it.

Oe final thing, this is not about manufacturers at large, it is about one, as per the title. Every other case is different. Some manufacturers leave because they don't feel appreciated or if they can benefit their business as karda said. B the same token, they don't want to hang around where people get infracted every time they touch their keyboard either and be labelled a troll for asking a truly honest question.

Part of this comes with the territory of operating a public forum, RD. The best way to handle people like the one you described is to simply challenge them to provide the source of their facts. 99% of the time, they'll just slink away because they don't have any. A small amount of damage will be done because some folks will believe everything they read and they won't take the time to investigate the truth for themselves. But most people are aware that they shouldn't accept anything on the Internet on its face value. That's why God made Google.

You can please all of the people some of the time . . .

 

[shinyedges]

Skimo, use the triangle and report him. Otherwise he won't stop. Rev.. Please don't let him continue.

 

[Skimo]

I'm a vet too and used to hang out with first responders. Any forum that deals with people on a professional level should be able to handle the culture of the people they are marketing too. In open public the language is mostly moderated but on the internet backwaters, not so much, especially towards people who show themselves as the same sort of ethos/logos/pathos.

Tell me you're a doctor and I'll make sure to call it my sternum and not 'middle of my chest' , tell me you market your knives to active duty and I'll ask why your knife is so expensive, not readily available and probably curse about it.

 

[Karda]

Part of this comes with the territory of operating a public forum, RD. The best way to handle people like the one you described is to simply challenge them to provide the source of their facts. 99% of the time, they'll just slink away because they don't have any. Some damage will be done because certain folks will believe anything and they won't take the time to investigate the truth for themselves. But most folks are aware that they shouldn't accept what they read on the Internet on its face value.

You can please all of the people some of the time . . .

I'll bite...
Where are your facts to support that the hinderer forum was closed because of "poor product management, communications failures, and overzealous moderation" Or that they were unqualified as moderators to handle their subforum, as you have asserted?

 

[bld522]

I'll bite too...
Where do you get your facts to support that the Hinderer forum was closed due to speculation, hearsay and whatnot on the part of forum members? And what the hell is whatnot?