Hog Killer photos

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Still thinking about that guy.
So weird.. I thought I was the weirdo.

No offense. :cool:

Edit: Maybe it is political, he's broke due to the recession and does not want to admit it. That would make much more sense :P ha
 
What's really ironic about this is he is selling the knives and people are wanting to buy them, so, actually he is associating with people that really don't seem to have a problem with our company. What he should do, in my opinion, since we are such evil animal hating bastards, is throw the knives away and not accept any money from people who would still want our knives. Now that would be the ethical thing to do. I mean, come on, it's only right that no money should be made by someone on our death knives/company. Right?
 
R.A.T. said:
What's really ironic about this is he is selling the knives and people are wanting to buy them, so, actually he is associating with people that really don't seem to have a problem with our company. What he should do, in my opinion, since we are such evil animal hating bastards, is throw the knives away and not accept any money from people who would still want our knives. Now that would be the ethical thing to do. I mean, come on, it's only right that no money should be made by someone on our death knives/company. Right?
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Actually, I am not making money, I am losing money because I am selling at a loss. I thought about destroying the knives and tossing them out but my thinking is that you have already made your money on these.

What I achieve by selling them is to deny you the opportunity to sell new ones in place of these ones.

And I don't mind associating with people that disagree with my stance on things. My family, friends and I are diametrically opposed on many things, ethically, politically etc. I still associate with them. I don't call them names or judge them for their opinions. At one time I had similar opinions to theirs so I can understand why they hold the views they do.

So if I disagree with those I still associate with, I merely state that I disagree with them and I may not participate in certain things that they do, as I expect them to not participate in things that I do that they may disagree with. I teach my children if I do things they do not like, they should tell me. Often, I agree with them and tell them they are right and I modify my behavior. And then I am still their friend, father, husband. Even more so because I accept that I am not perfect, and that I am wrong on many things, and I expect my friends, family and others to point out to me when they disagree with me. That is what friends and family are for.

Now don't get me wrong, there are certain people that I will not associate with because of things they do. Everybody decides where that line is and it is different for everybody.

I am not opposed to killing under the right circumstances. But there is a way to kill and a way not to kill. Everybody decides what is right for them and not right for them.

What I do object to is profiteering from inhumane killing.

Which is why I am selling my very good ESEE knives. Not everybody will agree, and will call me names, but what matters is that I feel that I am doing what I believe is right, even though I really do not want to sell those knives.

And I am sure the person torturing killing those hogs believes he is doing what is right. I just disagree, as many here do with me. And that is OK.

I try not to isolate myself from everybody that disagree with me. That is stupid in my opinion.
 
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R.A.T. said:
What's really ironic about this is he is selling the knives and people are wanting to buy them, so, actually he is associating with people that really don't seem to have a problem with our company. What he should do, in my opinion, since we are such evil animal hating bastards, is throw the knives away and not accept any money from people who would still want our knives. Now that would be the ethical thing to do. I mean, come on, it's only right that no money should be made by someone on our death knives/company. Right?
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I got a trash can he can throw them in. Promise I won't use em... promise
 
I've used both ESEE and Busse knives to cut up meat before. Wonder if I should post photos this fall of me using my Umnumzaan and some Busses to cut up game animals so we can all get some good deals? (Assuming that he gets what he is looking for in that sales thread)
 
l2lku2 said:
Actually, I am not making money, I am losing money because I am selling at a loss. I thought about throwing destroying the knives and tossing them out but my thinking is that you have already made your money on these.

What I achieve by selling them is to deny you the opportunity to sell new ones in place of these ones.

And I don't mind associating with people that disagree with my stance on things. My family, friends and I are diametrically opposed on many things, ethically, politically etc. I still associate with them. I don't call them names or judge them for their opinions. At one time I had similar opinions to theirs so I can understand why they hold the views they do.

So if I disagree with those I still associate with, I merely state that I disagree with them and I may not participate in certain things that they do, as I expect them to not participate in things that I do that they may disagree with. I teach my children if I do things they do not like, they should tell me. Often, I agree with them and tell them they are right and I modify my behavior. And then I am still their friend, father, husband. Even more so because I accept that I am not perfect, and that I am wrong on many things, and I expect my friends, family and others to point out to me when they disagree with me. That is what friends and family are for.

Now don't get me wrong, there are certain people that I will not associate with because of things they do. Everybody decides where that line is and it is different for everybody.
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Good on ya' brother.

If it makes you feel better, go for it.:thumbup:

(But you do realize that selling the knives and refusing to associate with ESEE knives because of our beliefs is directly contradictory to the diatribe you just spouted off right?)
 
man! wish I'd seen the dude selling his stuff earlier....375 for the whole lot seems like a no-brainer!

FWIW, I was in Graf in Germany in the 80's. This place was a heavily wooded training area for a long time - and anytime you had KP duty you could have to take a load to the dump - same dump spot for for years.

"the dump" was a dangerous place. I remember climbing out of the door of the 5 ton and walking along the bedsides...so I wouldn't have to mess with those crazy hogs on the ground!

They had "learned" that the trucks meant food - and they came in droves...and they were big, several hundred pounds (it looked) nasty, horned creatures...and there were 50 of them around the truck by the time you backed it up to unload.

One time a really crazy guy I was with jumped down and took the axe out of the truck and full-on SUNK it into a wart hog's head. I mean - two hand, full on sunk it into his head...The hog looked up at him like "ok, now I'm P.O.d", shook his head, shook the axe loose, and started snorting and growling. The private jumped up into the bed of the truck as the crazed hog charged him!

I've been in some crazy situations with man and beast...but man...hogs have NO enemies other than man...and they are tough. Dude with the Junglas can have my back anyday.
 
And just for the record, I personally would refrain from killing hogs in this manner, personally, I'm with Jeff, just don't have the desire, but I have no problem with someone else doing it.
 
l2lku2 said:
What I achieve by selling them is to deny you the opportunity to sell new ones in place of these ones.
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No you aren't.
You're exposing more people to the knives, which will likely fuel their purchase of more "evil" knives.:thumbup:
Guess you didn't think it through all the way!;)
 
stabman said:
No you aren't.
You're exposing more people to the knives, which will likely fuel their purchase of more "evil" knives.:thumbup:
Guess you didn't think it through all the way!;)
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Knives are not evil. I have many others that I am not selling. Also not selling my guns. I will need them if I need to kill under appropriate circumstances.


It is one possibility that I may expose people to these knives and they may choose to buy more because they like them.

Another possibility is that they wont. Either because they already have what they need, or they may decide that they don't like them.

You don't know what they will do, neither do I. think it through man.

Anyway, I am not trying to control the world here, I am just doing what I feel is right.
 
l2lku2 said:
Knives are not evil. I have many others that I am not selling. Also not selling my guns. I will need them if I need to kill under appropriate circumstances.


It is one possibility that I may expose people to these knives and they may choose to buy more because they like them.

Another possibility is that they wont. Either because they already have what they need, or they may decide that they don't like them.

You don't know what they will do, neither do I. think it through man.

Anyway, I am not trying to control the world here, I am just doing what I feel is right.
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Well, do what you feel you must.:)
I have some issues with a certain manufacturer at this point, but I won't be selling the knives of his I already have, as it would only impact me. He wouldn't care at all.
 
l2lku2 said:
Knives are not evil. I have many others that I am not selling. Also not selling my guns. I will need them if I need to kill under appropriate circumstances.


It is one possibility that I may expose people to these knives and they may choose to buy more because they like them.

Another possibility is that they wont. Either because they already have what they need, or they may decide that they don't like them.

You don't know what they will do, neither do I. think it through man.

Anyway, I am not trying to control the world here, I am just doing what I feel is right.
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Fully support what you are doing to make yourself feel better. No harm, no foul and no hard feelings. Go for it.
 
shotgunner11 said:
Good on ya' brother.

If it makes you feel better, go for it.:thumbup:

(But you do realize that selling the knives and refusing to associate with ESEE knives because of our beliefs is directly contradictory to the diatribe you just spouted off right?)
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You see, again, lack of real depth of understanding in my opinion and the predictable emotive language such as "diatribe" to describe which is merely an opinion. What would make it a diatribe rather than an opinion, in your opinion?

Also, by the fact that I am still here and participating in the discussion, means I am still associating with you, so there is no contradiction. And if I ever meet you or Jeff or the guy who did the killing, I will by you a drink, and go camping with you. But if you go slashing away at hogs with your Junglas, I will not go with you. And when you return, I will buy you another drink and tell you I disagree with what you did.

I just disagree with profiteering from inhumane killing.

But I guess that is too hard for you to understand? It really is not that complicated.

If that person posted those pictures himself, I would not have sold my knives. They were posted by an owner of ESEE, and based on how the thread was going, I saw it as promotion of his product. If he and I sat around a camp fire and he told me that the guy killed the hogs with the Junglas, I would not be shipping my Junglas off tomorrow. I hate having to do it, OK?
 
l2lku2 said:
I just disagree with profiteering from inhumane killing.

But I guess that is too hard for you to understand? It really is not that complicated.
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Perhaps you should define what constitutes humane killing, in your view. People have differing definitions.
That would help make discussion of the issue easier.
 
stabman said:
Perhaps you should define what constitutes humane killing, in your view. People have differing definitions.
That would help make discussion of the issue easier.
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microsuck said:
I drew the Junglas and went after them. They were fast, but I had the fence to help me corner them. The heft and razor edge of the blade easily made 6-8" deep chops per swing, through bones, thick hide, and fat and was able to stab with zero drag.

The brown one went down easy after that secondary stab to the lung area, angled towards the heart.

The black boar refused to die. He was charging me and I couldn't get a decent stab angle, so I just kept chopping through bones from above until I could literally see his heart beating inside. I only wish I had bought one sooner.
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In my view.
 
Well, the person who killed those hog was not a member of the forum but I did indeed ask him for permission to post them because I thought they would be interesting to those on this forum. It was not a sales promotion. If he would have broken a Junglas while doing it, I would have posted that also - then sent him a new Junglas. Obviously you don't understand me, this company or its philosophy. If he would have done that with a Tramontina machete and sent me the pics they would have been posted. I repsect your opinion and personal beliefs but your opinion on why I posted the photos is skewed and accusatory at best.
 
l2lku2 said:
In his own words.
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So now you go down the muddy path of wearing your heart on your sleeve. :D

Again, I have zero problems supporting the way you feel and doing what you think is right, but you obviously have more axes to grind than just your own personal beliefs.
 
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