Hog Killer photos

[R.A.T.]

In my view.

I see you changed your wording on the post. That's a little better

 

[Madnumforce]

Mmmh... seems like there's a fight starting here.

I disagree with l2lku2, but I admit his reasoning about selling at a loss his knives to avoid peoples buying new knives is well thought. Interesting form of boycott (if you don't mind I call it so, l2lku2). Though Stabman's objection is also valid.

 

[l2lku2]

I see you changed your wording on the post. That's a little better

I only changed it from "In his own words" to "In my view".

Nothing sinister. I did not want to add any words actually but the forum would not let me only paste something without adding words. So I added the first. then wanted to delete it so there would be no words, then it would not let me again, so I just added something else.

I stand by either statement. None too contentious in my opinion.

EDIT: And I tried to edit it before I saw your last post.

 

[R.A.T.]

We have no problems with anyone boycotting us because they don't believe how we believe. That's what makes things like these forums great. With that said, we will not change our beliefs simply because someone doesn't agree with them (and he hasn't indicated that he expects us to). The only thing that flagged this thread to me was him accusing us of using these photos for promoting the Junglas. Actually a sharp, cheap machete would do a better job at slicing deeper and quicker than the Junglas.

Bottom line is we FULLY support his right to sell everything associated with us - we will still buy him a beer should we run into at a show or on the trail, as we will Andrew. Glad he's sticking up for what he believes in. We do the same thing.

 

[R.A.T.]

I only changed it from "In his own words" to "In my view".

Nothing sinister. I did not want to add any words actually but the forum would not let me only paste something without adding words. So I added the first. then wanted to delete it so there would be no words, then it would not let me again, so I just added something else.

I stand by either statement. None too contentious in my opinion.

My point was your original argument was that we supported the act that is displayed in the photos, not that you doubted that Andrew did it

 

[l2lku2]

My point was your original argument was that we supported the act that is displayed in the photos, not that you doubted that Andrew did it

You see, that is exactly my point. You did support it. Which is your right, I just disagree with it.

Looks like he mutilated that hog pretty good.

and if I could chase them down with a Junglas I would do so and chop their damn head off.

Anyway, I don't really have anything more to add that has not already been said.

 

[R.A.T.]

Of course I supported it. I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't. Again, you evaded my point: Your original beef was that we supported it, but now you are making posts eluding to the fact that what Andrew did was not true, then accuse us of simply using this for promotion. So, I have no problem with what you believe but it does appear you have more than a single axe to grind than your original reason in your sell thread.

 

[l2lku2]

Of course I supported it. I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't. Again, you evaded my point: Your original beef was that we supported it, but now you are making posts eluding to the fact that what Andrew did was not true, then accuse us of simply using this for promotion. So, I have no problem with what you believe but it does appear you have more than a single axe to grind than your original reason in your sell thread.

I am not sure whether you are now confused, because I certainly am.

I have no doubt in the veracity of Andrew's story and don't believe I have said as much. If I did, I don't know where.

I have no axe to grind with you. I like your products, I like your warranty and I don't know you as a person, so I have no problem there either.

I will say it again, I like your products which is why I bought them and wrote good things about them in places. The Junglas was my preferred chopper. I don't like selling them. Whoever gets them gets very good blades and a company that stands by their blades. Which is why I bought them. And that opinion will never change.

I have stated here why I am selling them. I just disagree with ESEE supporting the mutilation of live animals. I respect your right to support it, please respect my right to disagree with it.

I don't know where you are trying to take this now.

 

[sceraxn]

In my view.

I think its good that youre standing up for what you believe in, but i also think its sad that youre beliefs are based on misconceptions and misunderstanding based on your own emotions from seeing the dead hog. The fact is that this hog was most likely in shock after the first blow and didnt feel anything after that. Though it may seem gruesome to you, this was probably one of the fastest ways to kill the animal with a large knife.

What would had have him do? Cut its throat so that itll slowly die over a few minute period? Severing the spine at the skull is usually a fast kill, but its not exactly that easy with a muscle-bound hog. It would probably take an axe to do that. Or should he have let it run off and hoped that hed be able to catch up with it some other time before it reestablished the herd and started destroying peoples livelihood again? These arent animals that should be compared to deer or any other wild species, these are feral animals who have becomes pests and has caused millions of dollars in property damage in Texas every year. They should be compared to a rat, except the fact that theyre 50 times larger and more destructive. Ill bet you wouldnt have a problem setting a trap for a rat would you?

 

[R.A.T.]

I am not sure whether you are now confused, because I certainly am.

I have no doubt in the veracity of Andrew's story and don't believe I have said as much. If I did, I don't know where.

I have no axe to grind with you. I like your products, I like your warranty and I don't know you as a person, so I have no problem there either.

I will say it again, I like your products which is why I bought them and wrote good things about them in places. The Junglas was my preferred chopper. I don't like selling them. Whoever gets them gets very good blades and a company that stands by their blades. Which is why I bought them.

I have stated here why I am selling them. I just disagree with ESEE supporting the mutilation of live animals. I respect your right to support it, please respect my right to disagree with it.

I don't know where you are trying to take this now.

Not trying to "take it" anywhere. My confusion is when you said we posted these as a promotion, when your orginal reason was simply because we supported the mutilation (which we did, BTW). Then your posts where you quoted Andrew confused me since it had nothing to do with the rest of your orginal reason you posted on the sell forum.

All I'm saying is you have made three points here:

1) ESEE supported the mutilation of this animal
2) ESEE posted this as a promotion for the Junglas
3) Andrew's post and your response "in his own words" casts doubt over the story

Now, none of these I have a problem with if that's your beliefs. I was simply stating that your original reason was one thing and you brought more into the story. So, my point is you are wearing a little more of your heart on your sleeve than simply disagreeing with what we supported. Again, no harm, no foul and no confusion...I don't think Wish you the best.

 

[R.A.T.]

Ill bet you wouldnt have a problem setting a trap for a rat would you?

Here's one for you and I know that our friend will have a hard time belieiving this. I had this little nusiance mouse in my house. Instead of killing it I made a trap out of a shoe box and pencil cut in half with bait in between. Caught him 3 times and hauled him to the woods and dropped him out. After the third time, I siad f**k it and slid a couple of alcohol pads under the shoe box and suffcoated the little bastard. He never came back.

 

[l2lku2]

I know that our friend will have a hard time belieiving this.

If you are referring to me, I believe you. Why would I not?

 

[PayetteRucker]

We used to have issues with hogs in Florida running through our demo ranges-tripping over det chord and pulling blasting caps out of our shots and such. It was a bad deal. They can be a real menace. Good renewable resource for food though, if they're not infested with worms...

 

[Ekdrm2d1]

I think its good that youre standing up for what you believe in, but i also think its sad that youre beliefs are based on misconceptions and misunderstanding based on your own emotions from seeing the dead hog. The fact is that this hog was most likely in shock after the first blow and didnt feel anything after that. Though it may seem gruesome to you, this was probably one of the fastest ways to kill the animal with a large knife.

Hey dude.

 

[Madnumforce]

@l2lku2:
I don't get it. You recognize ESEEs are good knives. You bought them while you weren't aware that "they" were "supporting mutilation of live animals", and still you sell them now because you've just learnt that "they" do. It means that the knives are "sullied" by the opinions of Mister R.A.T. thereabove, co-owner of ESEE.

If the architect of your house or appartement is supporting mutilation of live animals, will you sell your house? If Thomas Jefferson did, could I have your ID card? I'd love to visit the United States, even Texas

 

[R.A.T.]

Petroleum products are ruining the environment and killing endangered species, but we all still put gas in our cars

 

[chabochi]

...like the asian carp, and the pythons and anacondas in florida, these hogs are not even a native species. they were introduced by early european boat folks and are a environmentally damaging species. they compete with other wildlife for natural resources, and yes are a possible deadly threat to anyone walking through bush so that being said it is a very graphic picture and i question his motives for chasing after the hogs but he did his best to take their lives as humane as possible and after all his sense of right and wrong cannot be determined by me or any other person who read this thread. And honestly if i was there i would have been excited to see that and hopeful to have the chance to get some of that tasty meat for dinner that night.

 

[BloodGroove4570]

Morals should not be geographically based.



From what I understand illegal immigrants are a problem out in Texas too. Maybe you should just go hacking away at them too since things are so different out there.

He might have a good point here, do we need a license?????

 

[Bare Rib]

Nothing immoral about having balls and a strong sense of self-preservation. It would have been plain stupid to stand there and get his leg maimed. These ain't pet pot-bellied pigs we're talking about. They are wild mean and vicious. Bottom line, if something tries to kill you, you try to kill it right back.

A strong sense of self-preservation would be to not run after them. Additionally I find those that have the biggest balls are the ones who show reserve. I think it takes a bigger man to admit that they can't do something the way it should be done and have the self restraint to not do it.

Why didn't he reload? Could be a slue of reasons, but he probably didn't have time. I'm guess you haven't done much feral hog hunting. At least one almost always charges and can be on you quick fast in a hurry. Even if you could reload in time, wielding a rifle at point blank range that quickly is difficult, not to mention extremely dangerous especially if you are with someone else. Much safer to go to the knife than risk negligently shooting yourself or a hunting pal. Many folks will hunt from the bed of a truck just to be on the safe side because it can be quite perilous when the pigs scatter. (One a side note I've had a friend treed by a small feral hog, he wished he had a knife.

As I said in my original post I have never gone hog hunting, but i did stay in a Holiday Express so that make me an expert on the subject.
I understand that a long gun can be difficult to wield at point blank but that is why as another poster pointed out the importance to have a side arm with you. But he wasn't charged he chased them down with his knife, he decided to go after them in this way. Now if he was charged by the hogs and defended himself with his Junglas (or what ever knife) and killed them then I would be right there giving him a slap on the back and the admiration that would be deserved of such an ordeal. But, that's not what happened so I won't.

I can understand someone who doesn't have to deal with these parasites feeling sheepish about it, but as someone whose pastures are regularly destroyed by them I have quite the opposite opinion. Also had friends and family lose some really cool dogs (non-hunting just regular family dogs) to feral hogs. So I'm not opposed to killing them by any means necessary, and have. I don't care if someone wants to to hunt them with a ninja sword and nunchucks as long as they're making dead pigs. They are that loathed.

There is no feeling sheepish about it, I worked as the in house butcher at a restaurant for a time so cutting into a whole bunch-o-meat is nothing new or startling to me. I do understand how big of a problem feral hogs are and I say happy hunting just hunt with respect, and that is my whole point. If it is pleasure hunting where your life does not depend on killing that animal to survive; you have the ability to pick and choose how you are going to kill that animal. So, just give the animal respect and kill it in accordance to that.

 

[Necroskull]

Here's one for you and I know that our friend will have a hard time belieiving this. I had this little nusiance mouse in my house. Instead of killing it I made a trap out of a shoe box and pencil cut in half with bait in between. Caught him 3 times and hauled him to the woods and dropped him out. After the third time, I siad f**k it and slid a couple of alcohol pads under the shoe box and suffcoated the little bastard. He never came back.

Simply epic