How do you guys feel about China copies?

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Most of the makers like Emerson, Hinderer, Reeve, etc started out as one man shops, worked hard and found a following. Many others tried and failed. What if you made an item of quality with hard work and your own money invested? Would you want another to make a cheapo copy just to sell it for less because it looked like yours?
 
GP_Pirate said:
Most of the makers like Emerson, Hinderer, Reeve, etc started out as one man shops, worked hard and found a following. Many others tried and failed. What if you made an item of quality with hard work and your own money invested? Would you want another to make a cheapo copy just to sell it for less because it looked like yours?
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oh yea sure why not? /sarcasm

lol
 
Buying China goods is a symptom of the problem in America- we are willing to forgo quality for cheap. Even though we will end up buying more and spending more in the long run. At least we got it CHEAP and NOW.
 
The extremely cheap ones($50-60) aren't all that good, but you cant deny some of the better made fakes rival American made knives in the $200 range. They are now using S30V or S35vn for some fakes and there are pics on the web proving so. One of the makers of the fakes also makes complete hand made custom knives and charges something like $300. Lastly, these fakes will never really do any damage as they are not being produced in large numbers(good fakes) nor will they ever have a large distribution.


Vid comparing a real and a fake strider($140):
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Will just echo what has been said....don't buy any knock-off knock. Annoys the hell out of me seeing people buy them and even people pushing it on here. Just undermines the legit makers and sends money to scum. If you can't afford the real thing, just buy something else. Support good companies, regardless of nationality, who designed the knife or at least pay homage to those who did. For $11 deal just screwed over a company supporting dozens or hundreds of people and a knife maker who makes a living on knives.

Doesn't really have anything to do with China specifically, a fake made in Jersey or any US state would be just as bad. Save up and buy right.

And remember, only you can't prevent forest fires.
 
Don't think that you are getting the quality steel that they advertise on these $50 fakes. In a former job I speced and I sourced injection molds and to cut cost I was forced to buy Chinese junk tools. When you spend $50K on a mold and get substandard steel you know you are not getting quality materials in a $50 knife.

I had one quick change mold, made in China, that was supposed to be made out of 420 SS prehardened and a tool maker was using a brass hammer to get the insert to fit into the quick change frame and the steel was deforming from the brass hammer. It was dead soft and the frame was not machined properly, but we "saved money".
The time we spent to get it usable and the tool being weeks late, it cost the company more than the original estimate from our stateside builder.
 
If you don't see why it's wrong, there is more wrong with you then just having your hours cut at work.

Buy what you can afford (and probably get a better knife), save your cashola and dont support Morally bankrupt
rip-off artists.
 
Franciscomv said:
There are good, affordable, knives that aren't copies. I'd rather buy one of those than an imitation CRK, Strider or whatever.
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There are even many good SRM's, Enlan's, or Bee knives that are both excellent and NOT cheap knockoffs. There are a few knives made under those brands that are the same as US brand knives, but that's because they produced the knives for US companies and then they (legally) sell a non-branded version for the Chinese domestic market. Avoid Ganzo and Navy though, as they have true knockoffs.

Not all Chinese branded knives are ripoffs, there are good ones out there. It's very unfortunately that people support the knockoff manufacturers though.
 
personally I would never buy a counterfeit. its more an ideological thing to me though.
When foreign companies directly rip designs and features at a lower price than the company that initially developed it it means the death of innovation. what motivation is there for companies like benchmade and spyderco to develop new and exciting things if we all just buy from whoever can steal the idea and replicate it the cheapest?
of course it also helps that the actual company will give you a product they are proud to put their name behind, and counterfeiters really don't care about quality at all
 
Copy does not equal counterfeit.

Copies are good. Keeps designers from getting fat and lazy.

Counterfeits are frauds. They fool customers and damage brand names unfairly.
 
:thumbup: EXACTLY. I can't believe it took that long in the thread before someone said what you did. That is exactly how I feel about it. "TheLogicalOne's" I agree with also. I don't care how close it is to the original - bottom line is that *it isn't*....and if you showed it off as being the original or even not telling someone it's a fake....that's the same as lying about it to begin with...you just lied by omission.
gregery s said:
By purchasing this junk, you are rewarding the Chinese companies that steal intellectual property, then shamelessly misrepresent it as their own, or sell it as a knockoff. Such theft costs legitimate business enterprises billions in lost sales every year, and can only be stopped if sensible consumers refuse to buy their junk.
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I missed your post Dane before I piped in myself. Totally agree with you.

Dane.Chichester said:
Why do you want to support by purchasing the copying of Reeve, Strider, Hinderer's hard work and years of commitment? I whole heartedly think that owning a "replica" is wrong, if you can not afford the real thing that is fine but there are plenty of knives for the price the "replicas" are selling for that are just as good looking (the reason you state you want to purchase a replica) that will provide as much satisfaction. Look at Kershaws or a used blade. Just my opinion
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Samael said:
Hmm. You're living on a different planet from the one I'm on if you consider those knives to be "expensive and high-end."

I call knives like that "users."
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That was what I was driving at. :thumbup: That guy, like more than a few other folks, behaved as though the mere act of spending a lot of money on a knife gave it some kind of intrinsic value and made him a better person or some nonsense - even though you, me, and everyone else here can tell that he paid a ridiculous amount of money for lower-end products. Then he'd look down his nose at anyone who paid less for their knives - pretty silly way to act, right? :rolleyes: The notion of 'pride of ownership' is kind of a daft reason to buy something, IMHO. It's very much like buying a nice car just so you can be seen in said nice car (as opposed to buying it because you like driving it).


Maniacal Pete said:
Seiko is a real watch company, and you can get a real Gibson Les Paul brand new for $800.
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Yeah, you can get Gibson's bottom-of-the-barrel model for double the price of an extremely well decked-out Agile (this is just one example of a knockoff, but there are hundreds of others out there). Since every Studio model Les Paul I've ever played had all manner of jagged frets and half-ashed fit and finish, I'd rather go with a less expensive guitar that happens to be better made. Why would I buy 'the original' if I don't even like it as much as a readily available knockoff? :confused: Why would anyone?

I don't really see why people get their backs up over other people they've never met buying knockoffs - I personally don't give a fudge if people want to buy a less expensive alternative to a high-end knife. If people don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a Small Sebenza but still like the looks of the knife, I don't see anything wrong with them buying a SRM 710 instead, even if it's a pretty blatant knockoff. That is just me, though - I own guitars because I like to play them, not just for the sake of owning something shiny and expensive, and I own knives because I like to use them, not so I can brag about what high-quality, high-priced items they are.
 
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Dorito Monk said:
I don't really see why people get their backs up over other people they've never met buying knockoffs - I personally don't give a fudge if people want to buy a less expensive alternative to a high-end knife. If people don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a Small Sebenza but still like the looks of the knife, I don't see anything wrong with them buying a SRM 710 instead, even if it's a pretty blatant knockoff. That is just me, though - I own guitars because I like to play them, not just for the sake of owning something shiny and expensive, and I own knives because I like to use them, not so I can brag about what high-quality, high-priced items they are.
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Pretty much my sentiment. I hate and wont support people who fake knives and try to pass them off as the real deal, but I will own a clone. I own the same model clone regular sebenza that haze reviewed in the CR sub-forum and find it to be a great knife(nowhere near a sebenza) just like I find my edwards guitar to be an excellent guitar(although imo better than newer gibsons due to the QC issues they now have).
 
I think the chinese knockoffs are absolute garbage! You re better off with a Kershaw or SOG of even Gerber! Chinese made knives are crap!
 
This is my hobby, something I want to do. Why would I get a fake?
Part of the hobby is the anticipation of the knife you want. May take awhile to get it, but that's the one I wanted.
 
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