How many of you use your folders for cutting meat when eating out?

[Thomas Linton]

Why take the chance of using your knife on a restaurant plate, Instant DULL. Of coerce with my Apex I can cure that. I edc a Rukus and it seems to scare the general public. Bottom line if you need to whip out a Bowie to cut your steak, then it too tuff and not work buying.

It seems unfortunate to me that this thread as resulted in so much invective among folks who are all knife people. Moreover, calling names does not convince.

'Course one way to insure such behavior is to TRY to reduce the other guy's argument to the absurd. Hence: "Bowie." Not cool.

 

[flipe8]

Please read my posts before replying, guys.

Thanks for the tip.
Would it be safe to say you would use your knife as you see fit regardless if it is viewed as inappropriate by others?

 

[Hair]

Would it be safe to say you would use your knife as you see fit regardless if it is viewed as inappropriate by others?

Yes, as long as I saw it as appropriate.

A knife is a tool and I feel it should be used, when needed. I will not constrain myself based on what other people feel is high-class, low-class, appropriate, or odd. Society's view on knives in general is very ignorant, and I will not lower myself to follow society's social guidelines on knife use. I follow my own, which I feel are logical and reasonable.

But a knife is not a toy.

Contrary to how it may appear, I actually try to look for reasons to *NOT* use my knives. I only use them when needed and will not use them any chance I get, or just for the sake of using them. I use knives to get a task done, not to show off, attract attention, or be cool.

 

[jvan]

This thread just like the original steak we were discussing should have a fork stuck in it.

 

[Nimravus Nut]

This message is to Hair and Flipe8:

I seem to agree with Hair on many aspects of his view because the knife is a cutting tool and yes I would rather use my own because I know it's sharp and clean. Some of you who hasn't worked in a restaurant is going to be surprised at what I'm about to reveal.

The most abundant tool used in a restaurant kitchen are knives, but only the chefs are allowed access to the higher grade models. Most of you would agree with me on that right? Then, the least expensive knives has got to be the steak knives... when the kitchen closes every night the kitchen would have to be scraped and cleaned and sanitized, right? The flow gutters behind the stove is the hardest to access and the dirtiest of all to clean. The little itty bitty corners and sharp edges that a fork and spoon have no business or the geometry to get to. What do you think most chefs use to clean the gutters?:foot:

Flipe8... please give Hair a break and quit trying to make people like us look ill-mannered with your "high-class" questions. We are ordinary people who just want to use our own cutting tools. And no, we don't fling our 3" folding knives like a Taliban on rampage.

 

[flipe8]

Flipe8... please give Hair a break and quit trying to make people like us look ill-mannered with your "high-class" questions. We are ordinary people who just want to use our own cutting tools. And no, we don't fling our 3" folding knives like a Taliban on rampage.

Seeing how you decided to point me out in this thread, I might as well respond. If you looked at the last question I posed to Hair, you'd see I was trying to get an idea of what he was saying vs. what I was hearing. I never called anyone "low-class".Go back and read the thread;it's all there. The questions I posed were to get clear responses as, quite frankly, there are a lot of people whom use their knives in different ways than me. And yes, some of those ways make me go hmmm...

I don't take owning a knife for granted as it is both a right and a privilege and I treat it that way. I don't look at it as this right I flaunt because that's not me. Others do . I look at my knife as a tool for fairly specific tasks and while I don't have aproblem with someone using their knives in ways differently than me, I cannot help but think some of these uses add to the stigma we all try to avoid . I'll use my knife whenever it's needed without giving it a second thought, but I don't look for reasons to use it. Some people do. And yep, I think some of them are silly. I don't see it as any different than carrying half a dozen knives either. Try to explain that to a cop without him giving you the hairy eyeball. It might well be within your rights, but you're taking it to extremes. Maybe it's the fact I have a job that gives me the chance to actually use my knife without looking for reasons. Granted, I don't use it every day, but I don't jump up when an envelope has to opened, either. There's plenty more I could add, but the hockey is on and I'm sure that's more interesting than typing some more.

Oh, and I wouldn't say Taliban either. Ninja-boys, maybe.

 

[cybrok]

I just came back from a BBQ at a friend's house. Until then, my answer was no.

I had one of those BIG T-Bone, one pound of meat. He had no steak knives in his house, so I decided to take my new Opinel out. It was fresh sharpened so it worked great.

 

[Nimravus Nut]

Flipe8:

I didn't actually quote your posts, but the feeling that your questions seems like "picking hair in a hay stack". Granted that few people in here do "look" for reasons to use a knife but most do have reasons to do so. I'm just trying to make a point that some of your statements are judgmental of others. By the way, I do appologize that the fact that I have pointed you out specifically, but there are several others I don't agree with as well.

Originally Posted by Talos
And if for some reason a knife that frigging dull was to somehow end up on your table it does not disturb or bother anyone to ask a waiter for a new one. Unless you bellow across the room at the waiter for it. It is also what waiters are for. It's why they are called waiters.

Originally Posted by flipe8
I still don't quite get this part. You wouldn't ask a waiter to do his job, what he/she is paid for?

I just think that it is really depending on the situation, not because it his/her job to do so. I think it is rude to think of a person as a servant because he/she is paid to do a job. Personally, I wouldn't call for the waiter for a knife if the restaurant is really busy. Also, I don't really use a restaurant steak knife because of sanitary reasons. If there was a floaty in my drink, most of the time I would wait until the waiter is back tending me before I ask for another drink.

Originally Posted by Talos
I can just imagine being in a restaurant and glancing over and seeing someone doing that. I wouldn't know whether to laugh or call Homeland Security.

This is another statement that is really overboard. "Homeland Security"??? Is there a need for homeland security for a 3" knife? Even the airports have opened up and allowing small 1.5" swiss army knife on planes.

 

[flipe8]

I don't think it's rude to ask someone whom is being paid for a service to provide that service if needed. Nobody said anything about them being a servant. If sanitary concerns are one of your reasons for avoiding the steak knife, fine, but you better check your fork as well. Funny how I see this differently. The only reason I chimed in was because one forumite decided to tell another he wasn't wothy of carrying a knife because he chose not to use his knife in a restaurant. Sounds to me like that's a lot more judgemental than saying I don't get why you'd use your knife when one would be provided.

 

[Nimravus Nut]

one forumite decided to tell another he wasn't wothy of carrying a knife because he chose not to use his knife in a restaurant

This is an extremely judgmental statement, I agree. I must have skipped a page. But then I have also stated some people do "look for a reason" to use his knife, and I would classify the forumite as one.

I've worked in a restaurant as a food prep assistant, believe me you do not want to know where some of the steak knives have been. Like I said in my earlier post "forks and spoons do not make good cleaning tools due to the geometry", but steak knives gets into tiny crevices extremely well.

 

[WarRaven]

This is an extremely judgmental statement, I agree. I must have skipped a page. But then I have also stated some people do "look for a reason" to use his knife, and I would classify the forumite as one.

I've worked in a restaurant as a food prep assistant, believe me you do not want to know where some of the steak knives have been. Like I said in my earlier post "forks and spoons do not make good cleaning tools due to the geometry", but steak knives gets into tiny crevices extremely well.

Read the whole thread.

I said similiar to that because one member here said, they would not use their knife in a resturant, wouldnt use in it front of others, or in wal-mart if needed or because it would make others uneasy ormake him look lowly to his in-laws.


I called sheeple, i did not say it because of just the resturant thing at all.

WR

 

[Thomas Linton]

Read the whole thread.

I said similiar to that because one member here said, they would not use their knife in a resturant, wouldnt use in it front of others, or in wal-mart if needed or because it would make others uneasy ormake him look lowly to his in-laws.


I called sheeple, i did not say it because of just the resturant thing at all.

WR

You "called" "sheeple." He called "mall ninja." A mutual waste of bandwidth.

Did not. Did to. I double dare you. :barf:

 

[Natural-Outlaw]

Would I use my knife in a public restaraunt? Sure, in a fast food or casual dining place. Most likely not in a fine dining establishment tho. Just yesterday in a Subway, I used my Camillus Heat (makes a really nice click!) to cut my 9-year-old daughters sandwich. Wasn't any other knife available. At home I use it all the time at the dinner table. As I am a single parent, it is just my daughter and me and she thinks it's cool.

While I usually am a boor and don't care what others think of me, in certain environments I will try to be sensitive to others to a certain degree--especially those that I love. I am tattooed up and have a beard that is to my chest; I don't need to appear like a total barbarian all the time.

Natural-Outlaw
Lord, Help me to be the man
my dog thinks I am

 

[WadeF]

But they are seriously full of something when they think others who use their EDC in public are LOW CLASS!

While I want to be done with this topic, I want to go on the record and say I said that for me, pulling out my EDC to cut my food in a resturant would be a low class thing to do. I never said people who use their EDC in public are low class. There is a big difference there. People can have bad manners and what not, but that doesn't instantly make them low class people. I have friends that I wouldn't consider low class people at all, but they may do things from time to time that feel are low class or bad manners, etc.

Maybe it's the simple fact that one is pulling something out of their pocket and using it on their food that I find odd. Let's say I bring my own dinner knife, spoon, fork, salad fork, steak knife, desert fork, etc, and I carry them to the resturant in my pocket. Maybe they've been in my pocket all day. Might work up a sweat here and there, pass gas, whatever. Then I sit down in the resturant and pull all these utensils out of my pocket and put them on the table. Seems kinda odd to me, and gross. Maybe I'm just a germaphobe. So to me, pulling a pocket knife out of ones pocket is basically the same thing.

 

[Hair]

You "called" "sheeple." He called "mall ninja." A mutual waste of bandwidth.

Did not. Did to. I double dare you. :barf:

Anyone else see the irony here?

 

[Natural-Outlaw]

Maybe it's the simple fact that one is pulling something out of their pocket and using it on their food that I find odd. Let's say I bring my own dinner knife, spoon, fork, salad fork, steak knife, desert fork, etc, and I carry them to the resturant in my pocket. Maybe they've been in my pocket all day. Might work up a sweat here and there, pass gas, whatever. Then I sit down in the resturant and pull all these utensils out of my pocket and put them on the table.

Gosh, the way you say it, you make it sound like it's a bad thing!?!?

Natural-Outlaw
Pray before you ride
Ride like you're invisible
Put your feet down when you stop

 

[rocktheflock]

Opeth the band rocks, and most the steaks I go out for, you can cut em with butter knife. Did I mention the heavy metal classical band Opeth is ear candy through my Sennheiser's

 

[Nimravus Nut]

WarRaven:

I did not attack your comment, I just gave Flipe8 a reponse for what he has quoted in his statement.

 

[Nimravus Nut]

Originally posted by WadeF
While I want to be done with this topic, I want to go on the record and say I said that for me, pulling out my EDC to cut my food in a resturant would be a low class thing to do. I never said people who use their EDC in public are low class

If restaurant = public place
And people using a folder in restaurant = low class
then people using knives in public places = low class

Based on my equation it does make what you stated true. Although it may not be what you meant to say, but I'm just stating that you wording make me think this way.

 

[WarRaven]

Ok,understood Nimravus

In general, my thought is, i just want people to use thier knives when they need them, some are clean and some are dirty and each has its place to be used, the knives that is.

If you cower to not use your knife in company(Outside of work,hospitals,courthouses, bars and over> $100 a plate resturants), you do appear unstable to posses it to me and maybe others.
What are they(You, who ever) scared of, that they cant answer they carry one cause they use them when the need arises, like what ever they just witnessed you using it on.

Stand tall and proud as a man should, do not cower to societies looks and thoughts, do you or me live with them, do they or their opinions mean more to you then your own, or your loved ones for that matter, that know you and can vouch for your stabilty if needed?(Mighty big IF imho,but it is there)

Fine print.
Last set of knives i retired i packed for 20 years, i have carrying for 30. I do not flail my knives about,(My dad would have beaten me silly to be so ignorant of a tool, i learned respect for my equipment, i am a mechanic) i know how to use my tools, clean them, service them and store them.
I am not a teenager anymore, my son in high school now is similiar to his tools an toys.I used and use them knives daily, i have been arrested and always had my knives returned.(Teenager then) Never used any with bad intent,ever.
My in laws respect my honesty and being upfront, and never ever flinched at a person using one responcibly, that being the key point on any tool.

My questions were not answered and i dont care, i understand the mind set aswell as my own, i dont really have anything more to add to this thread either, and i have answered what was asked when asked.

All i can think is, if you keep hiding them, your going to have to keep hiding them, forever.
What are you going to do, pull one out when you hit 45, 50, 55 even,
and say, yup i like a good ol fashoined pocketknife, or wait till everyone dies?
Aswell by then, most people will be accustomed to not seeing them, and they'll say so why do you now need them and they may even be illegal by then.

Whatever,i am done here.
Make fun of me and or my views again at your leisure.


WR