Yes it does. But then I was raised to be considerate of others. I can't help it. My mum made sure of that at an early age. Got out of line in public and you got a whupping on the spot. Of course that was back in the days when parents could disipline their children and not go to jail for it. Or be sued by their kids!hwyhobo said:
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How many of you use your folders for cutting meat when eating out?
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The only bragging I see here is being done by the people that are "too good" to use their knife and judge other people as "low class".hwyhobo said:
I do not think it is out of place to use a William Henry with pearl scales to cut my steak. I do not think anyone else would even see me do it. It isn't exhibitionism, it's called eating.
It is because I am so considerate of others that I would use my knife. I would quickly, quietly, and discreetly cut my steak. This is more considerate of others than asking a waiter to bring me another knife. That is more of a distraction.Talos said:
Of course, I am sure your mom was much better than mine. I mean, mine was not considerate enough of others to whoop my ass in public.
It is a lot more "low-class" and "inconsiderate" to judge someone for using their pocket knife at the table than it is to actually use a pocket knife at the table. I don't care where you are- being so judgemental is not what I would call "manners".
So based on that logic we should never judge anybody, no matter what they are engaged in because it is always worse manners to judge?Hair said:
The bottom line is there is no good excuse or need to ever pull out a pocket knife in a restaurant to cut meat. It is hard to fathom a steak so tough or a knife so dull in any decent restaurant that pulling out a pocket knife is the only alternative. And if for some reason a knife that frigging dull was to somehow end up on your table it does not disturb or bother anyone to ask a waiter for a new one. Unless you bellow across the room at the waiter for it. It is also what waiters are for. It's why they are called waiters.
If you use a pocket knife it is because you want to, not because you need to. That's fine. Just don't be surprised or get defensive if someone reacts negatively to your peculiar behavior, whether discussing it here or in the restaurant. Pulling out a pocket knife to "quickly, quietly, and discreetly cut my steak" is entering into the comedy zone. I can just imagine being in a restaurant and glancing over and seeing someone doing that. I wouldn't know whether to laugh or call Homeland Security. But I guess I would have to base all of this on where it occurs. If I'm eating in Uncle Neds Diner of off highway 2 and I see some character dressed in their best coveralls eating with a pocket knife I'll just go with the flow.
This is just going to be a subject where neither side is ever going to understand the others stance and this thread will hopefully die an early death.
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It's a personal preference that varies from person to person, and all outlooks on the matter are justifiable depending on how a person views it.
Me, personally, I don't do it because it isn't necessary, and I don't want to gunk up my knive with steak juice and risk damaging the edge on the plate, that's what the steak knife is there for.
However, I respect both sides of the issue here, regardless of who I persoanlly agree with. It's people like War Raven that make a mature disagreement into childish mudslinging.
Me, personally, I don't do it because it isn't necessary, and I don't want to gunk up my knive with steak juice and risk damaging the edge on the plate, that's what the steak knife is there for.
However, I respect both sides of the issue here, regardless of who I persoanlly agree with. It's people like War Raven that make a mature disagreement into childish mudslinging.
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We were all raised that we shouldn't judge others by their appearances. The sad fact is everyone does. The differences in this discussion are that some people are more concerned with their image than others.Hair said:
If I would use my pocket knife (and that is an "if") I wouldn't flash it around, but I wouldn't hide it either. By hiding it you are subconsciously agreeing that it is inappropriate. People are more likely to be concerned about "why are you hiding it" rather than why are you doing it?"
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Thiss is the best application for a serrated blade there isas only the points coctact the plate.
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Eat at better restaurants. 
The better the restaurant, the better the steak, the better the steak knife that comes with it.
The last time I had steak 'out' was at the Princeton Club.
I could have cut it with a fork.
But I didn't.
I used the nice steak knife that they provided.
The better the restaurant, the better the steak, the better the steak knife that comes with it.
The last time I had steak 'out' was at the Princeton Club.
I could have cut it with a fork.
But I didn't.
I used the nice steak knife that they provided.
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Ebbtide said:Eat at better restaurants.
The better the restaurant, the better the steak, the better the steak knife that comes with it.
The last time I had steak 'out' was at the Princeton Club.
I could have cut it with a fork.
But I didn't.
I used the nice steak knife that they provided.
Well, Ebbtide, maybe everyone is not blessed with unlimited funds as you seem to be. It is people like you who tend to make me embarrassed to be a member of the human race!
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WadeF said:Maybe "low class" wasn't the best term to use. However, whenever I've seen lessons on proper table manners, such as "Start with the fork on the outside and work your way in" etc, I never recall them saying "Ignore the knife provided to you and use the one in your pocket."
Maybe it's a regional thing as well. Some parts of the country it maybe more accepted for someone to pull out a pocket knife and cut their meat. The only time I've seen it around here was a friend of my Father who was a knife collector. He pulled out his knife to cut a sandwhich, but he was at our place at the time, so I don't know if he does this in a public resturant.
I generally try not to pull out my knife in public anyway. I'm not going to walk around Wal*mart and whip out a knife to cut something. I don't want to make people feel uncomfortable, and unfortunately that's the world we live in, at least in my neck of the woods. If I used my pocket knife in a resturant I'd be afraid of someone freaking out and calling the police. I know my in-laws would look down on it and my wife would probably give me an ear full.
If someone else wants to do it, more power to them. I guess I said it was low class because if I did it around my family, they would consider it low class or bad manners.
WadeF,
Depending on the occasion, using a knife in public is sometimes justifiable for whatever the intended purpose. I was under the impression from your first passage that anyone using a knife in public was indeed Low Class. And yes, I do believe that you used the term "Low Class" was the wrong term to use. Personally, I do use my knife quite discretely in public (i.e. not waving it like a maniac). And where I'm from (Mississippi), it is okay to use a pocket knife or fixed blades in public because it is an accepted practice in my part of town.
Um, no. That is very silly. I said it is not fair to judge someone because they used a pocket knife. That is hardly the same as judging someone for shooting a cop, or robbing a bank. It is also different to judge someone as low-class for using a pocket knife and to judge someone as low-class for being a nosey, close-minded, shallow, vein, and judgemental tool. Seeing someone use a knife (that folds!!! oh the horror) to cut food doesn't give you enough information about them to judge them. But seeing someone judge someone else for using a knife to cut food, that gives me enough information about you to know what you are. And you are disgusting.Talos said:
Actually, the bottom line is that there is a good reason to pull out a pocket knife at a restaurant. Several actually. The only "bad" reason is because some ignorant sheep will be offended, or laugh at you. If they even see you do it, which they shouldn't. Haven't you been paying attention?Talos said:
I agree. It is hypothetical. I can agree with the people that say they would do it. I can agree with the people that say they would not do it because they don't want to gunk up their knife or feel their knife isn't clean enough. I cannot agree with the people who would judge someone for doing it. Sorry, I'm not bad enough of a person to judge someone for something harmless and innocent.Talos said:
It disturbs and bothers people a lot more than for me to just use my knife. Asking a waiter bothers the waiter and is a lot louder and more noticable to everyone else than me doing something they will never notice. Yeah, it is their job, but why ask them to do something they don't need to do? Doesn't seem like good manners to me. Those of you that think using a pocket knife at the table is bad manners are putting appearences over other people's feelings. And manners are really about other people's feelings, not trying to look classy. I hope I never become as shallow and vein as you. You try to look and act classy, but your true colors show. On the inside, you are lower-class than anyone in cover-alls using a buck 110 to cut their racoon.Talos said:
I am not being defensive. I am telling the judgemental tools here that they are judgemental tools. I don't care what tools think of me.Talos said:
I don't see anything funny about using a knife to cut steak. Whether the knife folds or not doesn't make much of a difference. Maybe it would be more funny to me if I was as ignorant as you. Maybe if I were as judgemental and close-minded as you, then I could see the humor in itTalos said:
And I can just imagine a nosey fool judging me for it. You would be a lot more laughable to me than I would be to you. I'd rather be laughed at for using a knife to cut food than for being a close-minded, judgemental fool that doesn't mind his or her own business.Talos said:
Here's the last I will say about it:
If I am at a restaurant (any restaurant), and, hypothetically, the knife is too dull to cut the steak, I would use my own unless the waiter was near by, not busy, and his trip would be short. If the waiter was away, or the place was busy, and I had a knife in my pocket that I felt was clean enough to use with food and had a design that would make it practical for cutting steak, I would use it. It seems very logical to me to use the knife I have in my pocket rather than ask someone to go get me another knife. Again, if the knife was not clean enough or had a design that would make it impractical to cut the steak, then I wouldn't use it. I would not use my knife just because I want to, just because I am a knife freak.
I do care about people's feelings. A lot. But I do not care what they think about me. So I would rather make *LESS* of a distraction for other people by simply using my own knife. I would rather be less of a bother and less of a distraction, even if it means a fool will judge me. I have very good manners when it comes to making people feel good, welcome, and at home. I guess I do not have good manners when it comes to trying to make myself look high-class at the cost of distracting others, making them work for no reason, and making others wait longer.
Manners, as a means to make people feel good, are a good thing. But logical and reason are good things too. A knife is a knife, whether it is a pocket knife or not and it should not matter to anyone what knife I use to cut my steak (unless the knife is so long that it pokes them in the shoulder, or has a loud siren on it). Why would anyone with manners be looking at my table anyways? The right and wrong that I follow are based on morals and ethics. Basically, I try my best to not hurt people and to make people happy. I will not base my actions on whether it makes me look high-class or not, or whether it fits into some unreasonable rules of conduct.
This knife is dull. I need another. I have one on me. I will use it. Seems logical to me. What a fool deems socially acceptable or inacceptable will not force me to act illogically and to be selfish.
Call me what you will.
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Sorry, but the last statement is completely illogical. You state that you will do whatever you damn please and you don't care what others think, and then you state that you will not be selfish? That is the very definition of selfishness. You are only concerned with yourself (and consider anyone with a differing opinion to be a fool).
Mind you, I don't really care. How others see you is yours to spend as you please. I just wanted to point out that what you wrote made no sense.
I know that I wrote that post would be the last I said on the subject, but your post is just too damn funny. My post was logical, you just didn't do a good job reading it.hwyhobo said:
I never said I do what I damn well please. I specifically said, many times, that I care about the feelings of others. But I do not care what they think of me. I do not care if they think I am low-class or not. I care if they are happy or sad. See the difference? I care about their feelings, not their immature and superficial judgements of me.
I will not do something to make them think I am high-class at the cost of other people's experience. I will not make other people wait longer, or walk further, just to make myself look "high-class". THAT would be selfish.
I do not care what others think about me, but I do care about people's feelings and happiness. I am concerned with other people, not only myself. If I was only concerned with myself, THEN I would care what people think of me and would act in a way to make myself look a certain way at the cost of others. I consider someone a fool if they are a fool, not if they disagree with me.
What I wrote made perfect sense and was logical. I think you either read it too fast, or didn't bother to read it at all, because you had it all wrong. Do you understand now?
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You seem to be saying you care what people feel, unless you deem them nosey, shallow sheeple. In that case, you don't care about them and whether or not you frighten or offend them. You also have no concern for your own appearance and are eager to sacrifice it for the sake of saving another person from having to do their job.
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Hair said:
I still don't quite get this part. You wouldn't ask a waiter to do his job, what he/she is paid for? And yet you're going to try to "discretely" cut up a steak with your knife? How are you going to do that without looking kinda silly? I mean, really? It just odd to me, not low nor high class, odd. I just don't see how it's imposing on the person paid to tend to you. If there's a floaty in your drink, would you still drink it so you wouldn't have to get the waiter to walk over to your table? Or would you pay for it and just not bother drinking it? I don't really care if you want to use your knife. Really, I don't. It just seems like you're just looking to use it because there's an opportunity. That's fine too.
Hehe, this got crazy.
I never had meant any disrespect in the first place, never called WF a fool, arsehat or an idiot.
Although i think it, i never said it, and i guess my opinion is bannable offence aswell is it wf?
Some real mature credible points you bring out there wade.
Yes, i have CC's, My son has his own CC's too, so i am not a teenie, not that my age had to or my credit score had to be drawn in this, or what it even may have to do with it.
So wade. i am a fool that should be banned,drawn an quartered for telling you that i think your a sheeple, and a fair waisted individual lol.
WR
I never had meant any disrespect in the first place, never called WF a fool, arsehat or an idiot.
Although i think it, i never said it, and i guess my opinion is bannable offence aswell is it wf?
Some real mature credible points you bring out there wade.
Yes, i have CC's, My son has his own CC's too, so i am not a teenie, not that my age had to or my credit score had to be drawn in this, or what it even may have to do with it.
So wade. i am a fool that should be banned,drawn an quartered for telling you that i think your a sheeple, and a fair waisted individual lol.
WR
No, that is not what I am saying.hardheart said:
I am saying I care what people *FEEL*, not what they think of me.
Making someone sad, or wait, is not the same as making them think I am low-class. I hardly think a pocket knife being used to cut meat is going to scare anyone. No, I do not want to scare anyone.
I do care how I look, I said that from the start. But I look how I want to look, and not how someone else thinks I should look. I do not look a certain way to impress people.
I am willing to *possibly* look low-class to someone in order to save someone a trip. Yes. I don't care how someone sees me. I do care about making someone work for no reason other than my own vanity.
I want people to be happy, not to like me. See the difference?
I will ask a waiter to do his job if I need him to. I will not make him work just so I don't look odd to someone. If there is something in my drink, I will ask him to take care of it. But I will not ask him to bring me a knife when I already have one, just so I look better.flipe8 said:
Please read my posts before replying, guys.
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Why take the chance of using your knife on a restaurant plate, Instant DULL. Of coerce with my Apex I can cure that. I edc a Rukus and it seems to scare the general public. Bottom line if you need to whip out a Bowie to cut your steak, then it too tuff and not work buying.