How strong is the Liner lock for Spyderco Military?

Sal Glesser said:
That's ok Paul,

Your "non answer" speaks cleary enough.



Mr. Ankerson might be seeing some light, time will tell.

Perhaps we will be fortunatel enough to pry an answer out of Singularity?

sal
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Sorry Sal, had to hit the sack :D. Working day today.

What was the (new) question again?

~Paul~
 
Back to the topic. I have always considered the Military to be the best Spydie made - ever. All models have their limitations, so even the Military. The tip is on the thin side, why a certain level of carefulness has to be applied. The liner lock has never let me down.

~Paul~
 
what exactly are people prying with their knives?

I've pried heavy duty staples out of a cardboard container of West System, I have pried open cans of bottom and buoy paint, I have pried the wood runners on my traps. They are screwed into rubber or plastic backings that have very little give to them. There are probably more things that I can't think of right now, the kinds of things that come up on a work boat when there may not be other tools available. I used a sheepsfoot blade and have used a tanto blade in the past. I would never think of prying with any knife with a pointed tip. I have dug and drilled with a folding knife point. If anything broke it was a fraction of a millimeter of the tip (saber ground delica and endura).
 
Pete1977 said:
what exactly are people prying with their knives?

I've pried heavy duty staples out of a cardboard container of West System, I have pried open cans of bottom and buoy paint, I have pried the wood runners on my traps. They are screwed into rubber or plastic backings that have very little give to them. There are probably more things that I can't think of right now, the kinds of things that come up on a work boat when there may not be other tools available. I used a sheepsfoot blade and have used a tanto blade in the past. I would never think of prying with any knife with a pointed tip. I have dug and drilled with a folding knife point. If anything broke it was a fraction of a millimeter of the tip (saber ground delica and endura).
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And your point about the linerlock on the Military is?? :confused:
 
Hypothetical: take 1/3 or 1/2 an inch off the tip of the Military, sharpen the remaining blade, what do we have now? ie would this result qualify as hard use? Just asking.
 
cziv said:
And your point about the linerlock on the Military is?? :confused:
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I have already made my point about the liner lock on the military. Did you read my previous post in the thread?:confused:

Then as the thread drifted into prying and abuse, as threads on forums sometimes do, it brought up a question. People say they pry and abuse their folding knives yet hardly ever give specific instances of prying, or specific things that they do pry. Or even specific abuses for that matter. Batonning (sp?) is the most frequently discussed abuse of a folding knife. I never have and probably never will baton a piece of wood. I can say that I have abused far lesser knives than the Spyderco Military without damaging them too severely.

Would I pry with a Military? Probably not unless I really needed to. I would worry about the tip breaking off before the lock ever failed though. Do I consider the military as a hard use knife? yup. Would I trust the military commercial fishing? Most certainly.

Does that satisfy your query? :rolleyes:
 
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TheCarbideRat said:
Hypothetical: take 1/3 or 1/2 an inch off the tip of the Military, sharpen the remaining blade, what do we have now? ie would this result qualify as hard use? Just asking.
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What is hard use? What is abuse? What are specific examples of both as applied to a folding knife?

Hard use to me is long term cutting, scraping, light prying, digging, carving, light chopping and similar "beyond cutting" chores that could realistically present themselves to a knife user.

Abuse i define as prying open doors, chopping through steel bolts and padlocks, prying open a padlock,stabbing through car doors, chopping cinderblocks, cutting heavy cable, attempting to chop down a tree, and like "non-cutting" chores that the average knife user will never encounter in a lifetime of carrying and using a knife.

Even with the tip of the military as is, I would qualify it as a "hard use" folding knife.
 
At 4.2 oz it can't be hard use in my book, but I take nothing away from your definition of hard use. We are both right.
 
TheCarbideRat said:
At 4.2 oz it can't be hard use in my book, but I take nothing away from your definition of hard use. We are both right.
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why can't it be hard use at 4.2 oz? I have used lightweight knives extremely hard with little to no damage to the knife or its components except for the cutting edge.

I am more likely to use a lightweight knife for chores beyond the normal scope of cutting because that is the knife I will most likely have on my person at the time these needs arise. The weight of the knife should not be a factor in whether it is hard use or not unless one plans on using it for an anchor or a paperweight. :D Just because a material is lightweight does not mean it is weak, per se.

I am not trying to be confrontational with my questions. Bladeforums has tens of thousands of members and there are tens of thousands of opinions on knives and their uses. I have my own ideas and others have theirs. All are valid in my book. I like to see different opinions and ideas and I enjoy reading and learning what other people think of their knives and their experiences with them.

I try to never "poo poo" an observation of another individual no matter how differing our opinions might be because I like learning about knives. Any clarification or description of experiences helps me formulate my own opinions and further my own education in the hobby we share. :) That is the only reason that I ask.
 
Pete1977 said:
I have already made my point about the liner lock on the military. Did you read my previous post in the thread?:confused:

Does that satisfy your query? :rolleyes:
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I did and no, not really, you made no points about the linerlock on the Military, in fact, never mentioning it but wandered off about sheepsfoot and tanto blades and other knives that we aren't discussing.

Pete1977 said:
what exactly are people prying with their knives?

I've pried heavy duty staples out of a cardboard container of West System, I have pried open cans of bottom and buoy paint, I have pried the wood runners on my traps. They are screwed into rubber or plastic backings that have very little give to them. There are probably more things that I can't think of right now, the kinds of things that come up on a work boat when there may not be other tools available. I used a sheepsfoot blade and have used a tanto blade in the past. I would never think of prying with any knife with a pointed tip. I have dug and drilled with a folding knife point. If anything broke it was a fraction of a millimeter of the tip (saber ground delica and endura).
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:rolleyes:
 
cziv said:
I did and no, not really, you made no points about the linerlock on the Military, in fact, never mentioning it but wandered off about sheepsfoot and tanto blades and other knives that we aren't discussing.

:rolleyes:
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Pete1977 said:
well said Sal.

Your Endura 1 saved my father's "booty" in the early '90's.

I use folding knives pretty hard and subject them to an environment that they probably should not be used in. I hardly clean them. Sometimes I lose them. I cut and pry with them, scrape, dig, cut up fish, what have you.

The only point you make that I don't really agree with is that with the wide range of pocket sharpeners available that one might not have some sharpening device in the field. I actually have a sharpmaker on the boat for "field sharpening" if the need arises. I do a lot of cutting of modern synthetic rope that is usually impregnated with sand and does a number on an edge. The knife is usually dull at the end of the day. Sometimes I have to do more cutting than the edge can handle and have to pause to at least touch up the blade. I prefer a knife that I can get a working edge back on in minutes then have to take it home and put an hour into sharpening.

That said, I use and carry Spyderco exclusively at work. I just picked up a SE ZDP-189 Endura to take lobstering.

Sorry to the OP for the thread drift. Back on topic- the liner lock on the Military is extremely secure, or at least it was on the 4 that I have owned. I have never pried or batonned with a military, in fact I have limited experience with them. If you know the limits of your knife you should not have a problem.
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I highlighted my response to the OP for the reading impaired. :rolleyes:

Anything else you want to complain about? :rolleyes:

Edited to add- Read the whole thread. I posted on page 5. thanks for playing :)

Edited again- I posted at #83- 2 posts below your own post #81. I can see how one could miss the big quote from Sal and my responses to it. I intentionally hid it away way down there below yours.
 
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Pete1977 said:
I highlighted my response to the OP for the reading impaired. :rolleyes:

Anything else you want to complain about? :rolleyes:

Edited to add- Read the whole thread. I posted on page 5. thanks for playing :)

Edited again- I posted at #83- 2 posts below your own post #81. I can see how one could miss the big quote from Sal and my responses to it. I intentionally hid it away way down there below yours.
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I have read the whole thread but it's been a long one. Sorry about that man. :)
 
JNewell said:
And with that good thought and 190+ posts to windward, maybe we should stick a fork in this one? :D
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A fork? Nah... With my razor sharp and very pointy Ripple, I sink thred blade into it to the hilt, and simultaneously plunge the good 'ole Zero Tolerance 0300 deep and give it a vigorous twist. There! Dead yet? :eek:
 
It's a cooking thing, not a tactical hard use death thing. :rolleyes: As in, stick a fork in the cake and see if it is done...but you could use a knife; my wife sometimes does. :)

Folderguy said:
A fork? Nah... With my razor sharp and very pointy Ripple, I sink thred blade into it to the hilt, and simultaneously plunge the good 'ole Zero Tolerance 0300 deep and give it a vigorous twist. There! Dead yet? :eek:
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