How strong is the Liner lock for Spyderco Military?

[jill jackson]

I can respect that.

But it would be nice to have a Spydie for every occasion.

And we seem to be gonna get it. Sal has stated that they are working on some "hard use" folders. He has said so here and told me in PM the exact same thing. So, It's just a matter of waiting. I can barely wait to see what comes from this!

 

[Ankerson]

And we seem to be gonna get it. Sal has stated that they are working on some "hard use" folders. He has said so here and told me in PM the exact same thing. So, It's just a matter of waiting. I can barely wait to see what comes from this!

Jill,

I am foaming at the mouth just thinking about them.

Something like the Military with a Drop Point blade maybe.

 

[singularity35]

That's ok Paul,

Your "non answer" speaks cleary enough.



Mr. Ankerson might be seeing some light, time will tell.

Perhaps we will be fortunatel enough to pry an answer out of Singularity?

sal

Hi Sal,

Sorry for the late answer, I have to sleep sometimes.

Yes, I'm with you here. A pointy tip being a better penetrator seems fairly straightforward.

And also as Jill says there will obviously be tradeoffs and I think that herein lies difference between a good design and a great design. The tradeoffs will be less and performance will be better all around.

BTW, I know that when you put your mind to making an abuse rated folder, it's gonna be awesome.

 

[kawr]

Spyderco is primarily about the cut.

Word :thumbup:.

I carry a small Ed Schempp forged titanium prybar, that will pry better than any knife, fixed or folder.

sal

Titanium Spydie-Bar sounds like something I would purchase .

 

[5.56]

How about an XM-18 with a Spyderhole. Made in Golden of course.

yeah..........

 

[RevDevil]

I'm really waiting to buy the Spyderco Tuff. That is my current grail of the moment.

I carry a small Ed Schempp forged titanium prybar, that will pry better than any knife, fixed or folder.

sal

Hi Sal - Is there any chance at all to have this available for purchase in the future? I know I am not alone when I say that I would love something along those lines. Ed is a great designer, look at the Persian, Barong, Khukuri, Rock Salt, Balance, Kris, etc. Please Sal, make it happen, Sprint run!

 

[RevDevil]

My apologies for the double tap.

 

[Hitzy]

I have more Spyderco's in my collection then any other production knife company. The reason for that is, they offer good solid blades in extra small, small, medium, large, in a variety of steels, with a variety of locks, and a variety of features. Ergo's and weight are allways great, prices are very good for what you get.
They are also one of the only companies with a sense of morals, and give props/royalties to designs that they feature on their knives....Walker liner lock, Emmerson Wave, etc etc.
Sal's definition of hard use=abuse is spot on. I see no point in carrying a big ass huge folder with some beefed up lock so I can treat it like a fixed blade.....I'll just carry a fixed blade....it's that simple

 

[Sal Glesser]

Thanx much for the discussion, agreement and encouragement.

Sorry to be part of a hijacked thread. Sometimes I can't help myself

I hope the original poster got the reply they were seeking.

sal

 

[singularity35]

Thanx much for the discussion, agreement and encouragement.

Sorry to be part of a hijacked thread. Sometimes I can't help myself

I hope the original poster got the reply they were seeking.

sal

I do apologize to the OP as well. As for being unable to help ourselves, we are knife nuts. I guess that explains it.

Thanks for your valuable input to this discussion Sal, greatly appreciated.

 

[Noctis3880]

And we seem to be gonna get it. Sal has stated that they are working on some "hard use" folders. He has said so here and told me in PM the exact same thing. So, It's just a matter of waiting. I can barely wait to see what comes from this!

Harder than my Gayle Bradley?

I have to see this:thumbup:.

I'm thinking an extremely overbuilt handle like the Gayle Bradley, but with the ergonomics of a Para 2. Perhaps titanium liners with a CPM-M4 blade(can't think of a tougher steel for the job). Price would probably give me a heart attack though. But so long as it's really unquestionably tough as the XM-18 without the availability issues, I think people would pay the premium.

 

[singularity35]

Harder than my Gayle Bradley?

I have to see this:thumbup:.

I'm thinking an extremely overbuilt handle like the Gayle Bradley, but with the ergonomics of a Para 2. Perhaps titanium liners with a CPM-M4 blade(can't think of a tougher steel for the job). Price would probably give me a heart attack though. But so long as it's really unquestionably tough as the XM-18 without the availability issues, I think people would pay the premium.

Something similar to a GB with G10 scales and a deeper choil would be awesome.

Oh, and another half inch on the blade length would make it even more awesome. Same steel of course.

 

[gine]

Hi Singularity,

It appears as though you have a problem with the tip on the Military, even in a thread that is on the "lock" for the Military.

When our customers ask us to make the tip thicker on the Military, we will. No problem. Fat tips are easy, it's thin tips that are hard to make.

If you are planning to pry with your knife, I would suggest that you buy knives with fat tips. Believe it or not some of us actually prefer finer tips.

sal

+1:thumbup:

 

[Ankerson]

Thanx much for the discussion, agreement and encouragement.

Sorry to be part of a hijacked thread. Sometimes I can't help myself

I hope the original poster got the reply they were seeking.

sal

Great informative input is always a good thing IMO. :thumbup:

I do think most of us agreed the lock is strong early in the thread.

 

[singularity35]

+1:thumbup:

Well, Johnny come lately, read the whole thread so you'll know the answer to that.

 

[snorkem]

what happened to this thread?

 

[singularity35]

Well, here are the posts Johnny. My reply is bolded so you don't have a hard time finding it.

Hi Singularity,

It appears as though you have a problem with the tip on the Military, even in a thread that is on the "lock" for the Military.

When our customers ask us to make the tip thicker on the Military, we will. No problem. Fat tips are easy, it's thin tips that are hard to make.

If you are planning to pry with your knife, I would suggest that you buy knives with fat tips. Believe it or not some of us actually prefer finer tips.

sal

Hey Sal, thanks for chiming in. I actually don't have a problem with the military. I do have a problem when people say a thin tip is good to go for hard use. I do carry a a military but I'm just careful with it.

I do like thin knives for cutting. Just not for hard use. I carry my chinook 3 for that.



Oh, and the OP did ask about tip strength.

Sorry, not the OP, but somebody did ask.

You get no argument from me there! The problem is calling a sports car a tank. Military=sports car.



Who ever said that a tank knife is the better knife? It's just better in some tasks that a slicer can't handle.Have you guys understood that us hard use guys usually carry more than one knife? I carry a slicer in addition to a hard use knife.

You slicer guys seem to think that we don't know that thin, low bevel angle knives are best for cutting. Sorry to disappoint but we actually do know. We just like to carry another knife for other contingencies that our EDC slicers can't handle.

+1:thumbup:

 

[cziv]

what happened to this thread?

I believe it took a left turn. IMO, the linerlock on the Military is more than adequate for it's POU ("philosophy of use" - a NutnFancy term).

I don't think anyone here really disputes that - it's lightweight and a slicer that isn't designed to be used like a Strider or a Hinderer for hard stabbing of heavier materials and then being twisted around etc.... etc...

 

[singularity35]

I believe it took a left turn.

More like a zigzag.

IMO, the linerlock on the Military is more than adequate for it's POU ("philosophy of use" - a NutnFancy term).I don't think anyone here really disputes that - it's lightweight and a slicer that isn't designed to be used like a Strider or a Hinderer for hard stabbing of heavier materials and then being twisted around etc.... etc...

Totally agree! it's what I've been trying to say for oh, 8 pages give or take.

 

[dePaul]

I think the question is a straight forward one and simply answered if we don't overthink it.

We have two knitting needles (or ice picks if you prefer) of .200" diameter. Being knitting needles, both taper to a point. On one the radius at the point is .016" on the other .062". Given equal pressure behind them which will penetrate the barrier of flesh (or whatever soft material) first?

It will be the one with the smaller radius, the sharper tip.

Take our same needles, ice picks this time and made of identical steel with the same radii at the tips. Given the job of an ice pick- to be stabbed at high velocity into a frozen mass of ice and so break it up into smaller portions_ which radius will be better.

It will be the larger-heavy duty-radius. It will tend to resist deformation longer and still be pointy enough for the job.

(Of course you can always toss a towel over the mass of ice and break it up with a hammer, which would be easy. But a real knife guy wouldn't do that, they would take a folder and beat on the end of it with a hammer to drive it into the block to break up the ice, make a video of it and then debate for 10 pages which lock is strongest based on their ice breaking up test.)

So the use to which you intend to put a tool should determine the qualities of it's construction (the length of blade, type of steel, grind, width, etc.). The latter can also be markers to the purposes of a knife and it's role.

Looking at a knife tells you more about how it should be used than it's name. If a knife is called "The Military" it does not mean it can dig ditches, or do what a 6" Ka-bar did in Korea.

A Besh wedge, or American grind tanto, will not penetrate as easily as other blade types. But it is heck-a-hard to break the tip on a Buck Bravo.

tipoc

Agreed! Especially: "So the use to which you intend to put a tool should determine the qualities of it's construction (the length of blade, type of steel, grind, width, etc.). The latter can also be markers to the purposes of a knife and it's role."

~Paul~