I broke my cold steel Spartan!!!!!

Yeah I had Damascus which had lotsa little 'caves' too. Pakistani Damascus is not a good buy no matter the price :)

To be clear I think it it agreed that to change the density of a piece of steel with no cracks/flaws/bubbles/etc is impossible. However if one is talking about a piece of steel that originally had cracks/flaws/bubbles/etc then it can be said that one changes the density of it by forging. Everyone had the correct assumption however initial parameters not defined more extensively, so noone is wrong so far :)

6 months would be well within the warranty I believe. Please let us know how good (or bad) is Cold Steel's customer service XanRa :)
 
Cotherion said:
Yeah I had Damascus which had lotsa little 'caves' too. Pakistani Damascus is not a good buy no matter the price :)

To be clear I think it it agreed that to change the density of a piece of steel with no cracks/flaws/bubbles/etc is impossible. However if one is talking about a piece of steel that originally had cracks/flaws/bubbles/etc then it can be said that one changes the density of it by forging. Everyone had the correct assumption however initial parameters not defined more extensively, so noone is wrong so far :)

6 months would be well within the warranty I believe. Please let us know how good (or bad) is Cold Steel's customer service XanRa :)
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what were the stock removal knives from the HI thread? because one issue with any comparison of the khuks is that they are recycled from truck springs, which most certainly have mechanical flaws from the years of use. There you definitely have inclusions, voids, cracks, etc. that can be forged in or forged out.

I don't know how all forgers do it, but mostly I see that the cracks are ground out and the the piece reworked. That is if they don't discard it entirely for worries of the cold shuts and cracks propagating.
 
Cotherion said:
Yeah I had Damascus which had lotsa little 'caves' too. Pakistani Damascus is not a good buy no matter the price :)

To be clear I think it it agreed that to change the density of a piece of steel with no cracks/flaws/bubbles/etc is impossible. However if one is talking about a piece of steel that originally had cracks/flaws/bubbles/etc then it can be said that one changes the density of it by forging. Everyone had the correct assumption however initial parameters not defined more extensively, so noone is wrong so far :)

6 months would be well within the warranty I believe. Please let us know how good (or bad) is Cold Steel's customer service XanRa :)
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Actually, it was all Parker Edwards Damascus in my case. The QC on the newer Alabama Damascus (which, unless I'm remembering incorrectly, is sort of a recreation of PE) seems to be better.

I would hope that Cold Steel's reaction to this is to understand that it will cost them less to replace this knife, than to refuse to do so and have that decision live for years here on the web.
 
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t1mpani said:
I would hope that Cold Steel's reaction to this is to understand that it will cost them less to replace this knife, than to refuse to do so and have that decision live for years here on the web.
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Very true

I'm calling to Tomarrow I've been to busy today
 
Hardheart, I can't recall too well but I believe a CRK one piece FB was in the mix. Can't be sure. Comment on how surprisingly flawless the Bura (I believe it was Bura) made khuk compared with stock removal knives was made by a person who operated a machine which could scan metals like an x-ray. That fella decided to scan blades for fun, the machine was not meant for scanning blades.

Also I agree that old springs may have flaws/faults/cracks/etc but if I recall correctly I believe it was once said in the HI forum that old springs are preferred since it is some sort of work hardening as it (the spring) goes through it's service cycle. Words to this effect. I personally am more inclined with your view that old springs have flaws/cracks/etc :)

I'm no metallurgist. I'm just an engineer who frequent blade forums and use what I experience in the construction industry in my blade hobbies.

I hope the warranty is good for Cold Steel. Spyderco said (replying my email within 12 hours) they'll ship me parts for free for my Poliwog even after I offered to pay! And I'm living in Malaysia! That is good service :)
 
Cotherion said:
Hardheart, I can't recall too well but I believe a CRK one piece FB was in the mix. Can't be sure. Comment on how surprisingly flawless the Bura (I believe it was Bura) made khuk compared with stock removal knives was made by a person who operated a machine which could scan metals like an x-ray. That fella decided to scan blades for fun, the machine was not meant for scanning blades.

Also I agree that old springs may have flaws/faults/cracks/etc but if I recall correctly I believe it was once said in the HI forum that old springs are preferred since it is some sort of work hardening as it (the spring) goes through it's service cycle. Words to this effect. I personally am more inclined with your view that old springs have flaws/cracks/etc :)

I'm no metallurgist. I'm just an engineer who frequent blade forums and use what I experience in the construction industry in my blade hobbies.

I hope the warranty is good for Cold Steel. Spyderco said (replying my email within 12 hours) they'll ship me parts for free for my Poliwog even after I offered to pay! And I'm living in Malaysia! That is good service :)
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Yes it is- and I'd stand by spyderco anyway
 
t1mpani said:
Actually, it was all Parker Edwards Damascus in my case. The QC on the newer Alabama Damascus (which, unless I'm remembering incorrectly, is sort of a recreation of PE) seems to be better.

I would hope that Cold Steel's reaction to this is to understand that it will cost them less to replace this knife, than to refuse to do so and have that decision live for years here on the web.
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I'm a bit surprised. But I always felt that Damascus (folding steel over and over again) for aesthetic purposes (apart from touted resistance to crack propagation and minor serration feel to edge) is going to increase chances for gaps in the blade. I prefer forging (with no folding) but not Damascus forging for practicality but I admit I likes me some beautiful Damascus to admire once in a while. Like how I like my ladies :)
 
CRK may had gotten a bit of bad round stock A2. I would expect the straight carbon steels to have more issues than tool steels, but even there the wrought billets will have bad batches that the rolling will not alleviate. Since steel is produced in many different ways, some methods are inherently better are keeping out inclusions. That comment about work hardening seems misplaced, when the kamis forge the steel the previous dislocations are going away as the steel undergoes the repeated heat cycles and is shaped by the hammer blows.

I agree about pattern-welded damascus. I appreciate nearly perfectly done pattern-welds even more because of the added work and increased chances of mistakes, but I also don't see any need for it in using knives.
 
Guys,

Found this:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-quality-knife-forging-or-stock-removal/page4

AUS8A with correct HT vs CPMS30V that looks like relic under poor heat management.

Cotherion was referring to Master Bura's model which was bought by a forumite and tested using the SEM (Scanning electron microscope) and to his dismay the analysis shown porosity on the forged blade was negligible. The khukuri made from the Himalayan Import's greatest was so dense you want to start chopping concrete with 5160.

Now could it be the HT or the forging?;)
 
XanRa said:
Very true

I'm calling to Tomarrow I've been to busy today
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I've sent a couple of knives back to Cold teel for issues. Email got me no responce but their CS phone is the way to go. They always answer and ask for someone to speak with about a warranty issue. They'll probably ask you to email them some pics (assemble the knife first!!) and then they'll give you an RMA and then a new Spartan.

Heck with my Rajah 1 they sent me another one 2nd day air and mailed me a UPS call tag and set up the pick-up for the defective one - (blade not centered). I've been treated well by Cold Steel. Good luck ;)
 
JayGoliath said:
Guys,

Found this:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-quality-knife-forging-or-stock-removal/page4

AUS8A with correct HT vs CPMS30V that looks like relic under poor heat management.

Cotherion was referring to Master Bura's model which was bought by a forumite and tested using the SEM (Scanning electron microscope) and to his dismay the analysis shown porosity on the forged blade was negligible. The khukuri made from the Himalayan Import's greatest was so dense you want to start chopping concrete with 5160.

Now could it be the HT or the forging?;)
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Or the original state of the steel BEFORE it was turned into a khuk...
 
cziv said:
I've sent a couple of knives back to Cold teel for issues. Email got me no responce but their CS phone is the way to go. They always answer and ask for someone to speak with about a warranty issue. They'll probably ask you to email them some pics (assemble the knife first!!) and then they'll give you an RMA and then a new Spartan.

Heck with my Rajah 1 they sent me another one 2nd day air and mailed me a UPS call tag and set up the pick-up for the defective one - (blade not centered). I've been treated well by Cold Steel. Good luck ;)
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Rma? And it's reassembled except the white plastic washers things
 
XanRa said:
Rma? And it's reassembled except the white plastic washers things
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rma stands for return merchandise authorization. there are other spins on the wording combos i've heard used more than a few times.....return material authorization, and return merchandise agreement, and a couple other variations of those play on words, but they all mean the same thing. it's typically is a number and letter setup and when you send the returned item back they use it to match it to the claim setup in the system. makes things organized and easier to process quickly.
 
Wow, you're more boss than that 40degrees guy who brags about how he "can break any folder with the brute strength of his bare hands," or something like that...

Hope they fix the knife for you; I don't see how it wouldn't fall under warranty.
 
XanRa said:
Have a chance to type- your welcome people pushy :P

Long story short it got dropped very hardly- as a result of a painful trip(I don't like Brogans) it landed/bounced of of a large piece of deadwood(dense crap too, used for a tomahawk target)
Wasn't abusing the knife- was getting ready to abuse it and didn't get the chance it broke from my f'ing tumble

Sure it's been abused a bit in the past but nothing that could have any direct result with that

Long story? Maybe not but had to actually type it out

Input? Call me stupid, call me whatever I don't care- your just pissed I turned out not to be a troll



Input? I've done some bad things to knives in the past and I've broken my fare share just playing around but I've NEVER seen anything line this, and I didn't even get a chance lol
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I don't have a dog in this fight as the only Cold Steel knife I have is one of the original Recon Scouts in Carbon V. I'm just curious, you said that the knife was open and landed/bounced off a large piece of dense deadwood that was being used as a "tomahawk target."

Is there ANY chance that you may have tried to hit the same target by throwing your folder at it but the knife hit the deadwood at a bad angle and that broke the blade? I know that if I were out with my buddies goofing around that I certainly wouldn't be above throwing a less expensive folder at target/tree. Also, if I threw it 99 chances out of 100 it would probably bounce off the tree by hitting handle first. :D

Considering the abuse they put put their knives through in those somewhat entertaining (for all the wrong reasons) videos surely they'll replace your folder.
Best of luck!
 
KLJTech said:
I don't have a dog in this fight as the only Cold Steel knife I have is one of the original Recon Scouts in Carbon V. I'm just curious, you said that the knife was open and landed/bounced off a large piece of dense deadwood that was being used as a "tomahawk target."

Is there ANY chance that you may have tried to hit the same target by throwing your folder at it but the knife hit the deadwood at a bad angle and that broke the blade? I know that if I were out with my buddies goofing around that I certainly wouldn't be above throwing a less expensive folder at target/tree. Also, if I threw it 99 chances out of 100 it would probably bounce off the tree by hitting handle first. :D

Considering the abuse they put put their knives through in those somewhat entertaining (for all the wrong reasons) videos surely they'll replace your folder.
Best of luck!
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Its funny because I was getting ready to throw it but I didn't get the chance- I fell on the way there

(I usually only throw fixed blades or throwing knives- rarely folders, usually ones I don't care about)
 
From first hand experience with Thrashing on a spartan, It shouldn't break with throwing or anything less of severe abuse.
 
Or the original state of the steel BEFORE it was turned into a khuk...
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T1mpani,

The original state would have been HI's selection of leaf springs, mostly 5160 from the scrap. I believe even from the ancient times leaf springs much like the railroad tracks are the EXCELLENT choice of steel being tempered with countless cycles of expansion and shrinkage over the years of abuse. I might be wrong as the older steels would have much pure contents than say the quality of steel now. I can't say much about CPM because it's a totally different way to produce cleaner particles of steel. A peace of mind.

There were a few incidents when the indestructible khuk broke by the cho and they found that bad HT was the cause (Pre- Dashain festivals made the Kamis go wee-wee)

If i remember this well, Ryan Johnson, M.S from RMJ Tacticals mentioned about his 4,100 pound air hammer drop forged Shrike being tougher than his stock removal signature Talon and Kestrel.

Each blow of the hammer shapes the material causing the grain of the steel to flow with the shape of the tomahawk making for the strongest possible grain structure. The Shrike is the only forged tactical axe that sports a tang for the handle instead of a hollow eye. Most tactical tomahawks are cut from sheets of steel with a water-jet or a laser, ignoring the grain of the steel altogether and thus producing weaker product.-RMJ FAQ
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So why didn't he make the Talon & Kestrel by forging? Possible but then we as customers will have to buy 1000+ hawks from him to justify the cost of the forge machine. So why only the Shrike model gets the forging and not the rest? The shape and grinding made it possible and Talon/Kestrel is the older product that worked fine ever since they changed from 1095 to 4104 Chrome -Moly. I believe Ryan would think to forge everything in RMJ will result in a greater delays already in his production.

I do hope he will forge the upcoming SPAX axe, only if enough demand to convince him that the spending is worth.
 
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