I got a Warning There are two sides to every story

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jftman

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Seeking opinion on what level of fault belongs to me in the case where,
I posted "I'll Take it" then seller says He will move on after sending me payment info and posting SPF.

We have all been here. It's time to Pay. Not negotiate or ask about is this like this and is that like that.
Everybody distains posters who vacilate then say "terms have changed". BLA BLA.

So, here goes. My reply to a warning from the admins, and I have not heard back yet.
The reason I say this now is because the seller prolly complained and told a version of the comms between us.
It is quite possible that a policy for some items of assurance would be called for if and only if requested.
It is quite possible that, that could be good for the forum.

What do you think?

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Hi.
I read and understand the warning.
I am only seeking a clarification from you regarding one point.

I did have sufficient interest in the sale of the item.
He agreed to sell it to me.
I did not ask him info outside of what could have been done before I said I would take it.
I did not try to negotiate price after I said I would take it.


He emailed me with payment info and posted SPF.

At the point it went bad was I asked him to send me a photo, with an object in the frame. I gave him a choice of some object he could use, but said anything he felt comfortable with.

I did this to say, I need some assurance that the knife is in hand.
It is true that images can be downloaded from internet and other forums , saved on computer then offered as for sale.

I feel it is reasonable.
Whether the Moderators choose to make it an option during payment phase, that is not up to me.
I see nothing wrong in a policy where sellers "should" agree to provide a "proof of life" pic if the buyer requests it.

That is all I did.
This seller denied me the item, said he would move on.
Then he added he would take more pics if needed AFTER I posted in the sales thread,
Seller refused a simple request for a fresh pic, simply saying he would move on.
The admins are clear, no one can post in an exchange thread opinion.
Posters must have an interest in contributing to a sale.
They say I forced seller to close and poisoned the sale. "Not Cool"

In my opinion his pride was the only thing hurt here and I did email him saying the best thing to do was to honor the "I'll take it"

It is quite possible that this kind of occurances do not even need to get started.
IMO a deal was made when Payment instructions were sent to me.
Both sides are set now to honor the deal.

I would appreciated your feedback on this way of doing selling n buying.
I would not care to open PayPal claims to begin with.
Asking such photos like pics of post office receipt and package showing address is good business for all concerned.

Regads,
James
 
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As a good practice, it is best to seek clarification and more pictures etc., before you commit to purchase an item. Just as you did not trust him to possess the knife, the seller did not trust you to follow through the transaction, and moved on to the next buyer. That's what may have happened, since I can only guess.
 
From looking at the thread I don't see anything shady that would lead me to believe the member doesn't have the knife also PayPal would cover you if they didn't ship. His "proof of life pictures" are in the thread. The deal was made on your end to take the item the moment you posted you would, not after the seller met your conditions. The seller decided to save himself the potential hassle and move on to the next buyer. My opinion take the warning and learn your lesson to ask all questions prior to agreeing to the sale.
 
So. Lemme see if I got this....

You got a warning from the mods. You didn't like it, you wrote them a long letter , they didn't reply, and now you want us to tell you that you were not at fault, correct?

Look, if you got a warning it was for a reason. The mods know what they are doing. They just dont go tossing out warnings for their own amusement. The members don't get to decide if the mods were justified.

Get over it, move on, and don't do it again is what I think.
 
So, it would be in the best interest to all parties concerned that:

If a seller is asked to send a photo as "proof of life" after a buyer commits, through which ever process is tolerable by both parties,

That in the payment stage, the seller should not be "obliging" through goodwill or BF policy to
Go down that road, if asked by the buyer.

I think that question is the point of this and I might say,
That question is worthy of a poll.
 
If you want additional photos or proof that the seller has the knife in hand, request them BEFORE posting "I'll take it!"

I have purchased quite a few knives here on BF, and sold a few, and never have these kinds of "additional photos to prove you've got it" requests been made - by me or the people I sold to.

I don't think we need a poll. I think you need to get all your questions answered BEFORE you post "I'll take it!"
 
Mar....
How would You like it if a member spun the situation between regular email
That may be very different than what happened.
I guess You would prefer to throw out
What happens after an "I'll take it" in favor of one side as long as You are on that side,
And can begin the parent to child routine in the forum.

What place in LaLa land is there complete trust?
 
I think that question is the point of this and I might say,
That question is worthy of a poll.

No it really isn't, You should have asked those questions before you agreed to the sale. What you did is tied up the seller's time for you to possibly back out while he may have had another seller that was committed to buying. You're not doing your reputation a lot of favors in this thread.
 
Rj......

My sense of caution comes from the simple ability that if someone decided to....
It is so easy to sell from downloaded pics anything.

I'm not saying WE as hobbists are low character.
Quite the opposite.
Each of us here appreciate the way we can do business together.
It happens so much that somethings are a given.
I just believe in satisfaction and reaching a point in the process in an acceptable way.

If I question something I expect to be taken in a friendly way and return the same.
 
Stain....
There is no backing out.
There is one point to "proof of life"
It isn't to find a fault.
The posted pics are there for that.
 
All of that is fine. Just simply get your questions answered and find your comfort level with the purchase BEFORE posting "I'll take it!"

Rj......

My sense of caution comes from the simple ability that if someone decided to....
It is so easy to sell from downloaded pics anything.

I'm not saying WE as hobbists are low character.
Quite the opposite.
Each of us here appreciate the way we can do business together.
It happens so much that somethings are a given.
I just believe in satisfaction and reaching a point in the process in an acceptable way.

If I question something I expect to be taken in a friendly way and return the same.
 
This poll would just be to get sentiment about
Which side the Mod's would come down on if.....
A seller denied You a buyer after being asked to send a pic
Should there be a feeling between you and seller about the payment stage.
 
Stain....
There is no backing out.
There is one point to "proof of life"
It isn't to find a fault.
The posted pics are there for that.
I didn't say you did but would you have if the seller refused to send you the pictures you requested? It looks like the seller did indeed have another buyer lined up who didn't have any extra conditions.

This poll would just be to get sentiment about
Which side the Mod's would come down on if.....
A seller denied You a buyer after being asked to send a pic
Should there be a feeling between you and seller about the payment stage.
Sellers are free to chose to sell to whoever they wish. Your "I'll take it" doesn't mean you get it, that kind of gimme gimme entitlement is getting kind of old around here.
Also mods make their own decisions not the ones a poll tell them to make. A poll wouldn't change your warning and definitely won't get you that ZT.
 
Based on what I see is
No body likes vacilation and halting trades / sales from
Quick posts than question question..... Back out.

No that wont do.
And that is not what goes on with a buyer
Who properly proceeds.
Comes a time before payment, that everything will line up.
That is between the two parties.

No body ships and refuses a tracking number.....
Why refuse a pic if asked?
 
I can only imagine the whole sales thread devolving into a passive aggressive fest just like you've done with this thread here.

A couple more pictures, some more questions, and then more questions. All the while folks who would have been no hassle to deal with have filed this as sold and moved on.

Saying "I'll Take It" is a solid commitment. If you can't abide by that you're in the wrong place.
 
You are alone on this one James. The issue isn't whether that request is or isn't a bad one to ask at all, the issue is when you chose to ask it. By posting you would take the item, and by the seller marking it SPF and sending you payment information, you both came to an agreement. You changed that agreement after the fact, and from the additional request you made, it sounded like you could have been a potential headache to deal with. Even if the seller was out to scam you, as long as you pay with PayPal goods option you are covered by their protection.

Bottom line, ask all questions before saying you will take the item, and understand the seller can choose to sell to whomever they wish.
 
Saying "I'll Take It" is a solid commitment. If you can't abide by that you're in the wrong place.

This!! I don't think there's really anything more to say - except maybe "Ask questions and request photos BEFORE posting "I'll take it!"'
 
Dank......

Am I?
I've said, arrive at the commitment in an acceptable way.
While during the payment phase for reasons that have nothing to do with one's
State of well being or lack of....

People tend to forage for answers and can receive all the accomodations to pulling the trigger with payPal.
But if You receive cold shoulder, and avaison, which causes you to say,

Ya know just promise me a pic of the address on the box and a pic of the post office receipt,
When it's sent.
Would either party find that to be non gratis?

I don't kid myself,
I may not be the most ligtning fast mover in every situation,
But I can set a routine for my self about opening my bank account.
 
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I agree that the buyer needed to request the additional pictures before agreeing to buy the item.

If the buyer has some specific need that has to be satisfied before agreeing to the purchase, then why insist on it retroactively?

Maybe the OP is suggesting everyone selling post a picture of the item next to a current local newspaper or something.

I don't think that is necessary. Additionally, posting pictures is much easier for some people than for others.

best

mqqn
 
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